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ikojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-05 06:01 PM
Response to Reply #35
37. I mean in hiring. From what I understand, if it is against
the tenets of the faith to hire a gay or lesbian person then the "faith" based organization can refuse to hire someone based upon that criteria alone.
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  -is this legal -- can help wanted ads ask for certain religous backgrounds? nashville_brook  May-15-05 04:49 PM   #0 
  - I don't believe so. Any lawyer want to weigh in? n/t  tx_dem41   May-15-05 04:50 PM   #1 
  - I think you can, if it's assoc. with a church.  donco6   May-15-05 04:50 PM   #2 
  - Nope, churches are not excepted. illegal. nt  mgdecombe   May-15-05 04:54 PM   #5 
     - I suppose I could be wrong.  donco6   May-15-05 05:06 PM   #9 
        - It would be unusual for a person meeting the job qualifications  mgdecombe   May-15-05 05:09 PM   #11 
        - See the post on Title VII below. nt  mgdecombe   May-15-05 05:19 PM   #20 
  - That is illegal!!  in search of sanity   May-15-05 04:51 PM   #3 
  - I'm not sure  FreedomAngel82   May-15-05 04:51 PM   #4 
  - Yes  kwolf68   May-15-05 04:55 PM   #6 
  - It's a religious not-for-profit. So, it is legal.  johnaries   May-15-05 04:57 PM   #7 
  - No, it is not legal. It is illegal, unless they are hiring a minister. nt  mgdecombe   May-15-05 05:18 PM   #19 
     - Sorry, but it is as of Feb 2004:  johnaries   May-16-05 02:26 PM   #61 
  - it's a religious group  Bill McBlueState   May-15-05 05:03 PM   #8 
  - It's not discriminatory  OldLeftieLawyer   May-15-05 05:07 PM   #10 
     - here's the parallel  Bill McBlueState   May-15-05 05:11 PM   #13 
     - So?  OldLeftieLawyer   May-15-05 05:14 PM   #14 
     - It *is* discriminatory, and it violates Title VII  mgdecombe   May-15-05 05:18 PM   #17 
  - Can you imagine if it were the 'other' way around??  me b zola   May-15-05 05:10 PM   #12 
  - That's right. And they do not. See my post on Title VII below. nt  mgdecombe   May-15-05 05:16 PM   #16 
  - it jumped out at me -- i don't know the answer, but it feels skeevey  nashville_brook   May-15-05 05:24 PM   #23 
  - Here's the law  mgdecombe   May-15-05 05:15 PM   #15 
  - wow -- thanks for the clarification. with all the christo-fascist news  nashville_brook   May-15-05 05:27 PM   #24 
     - You're welcome. So far, they haven't been able to destroy things like  mgdecombe   May-15-05 05:31 PM   #25 
        - Book publishers ask for statement of belief  DrRang   May-15-05 05:44 PM   #31 
  - Under Bush's "faith" based initiatives it is OK for churches to  ikojo   May-15-05 05:18 PM   #18 
  - You mean discriminate in services, or not hire based on sexual orientation  mgdecombe   May-15-05 05:20 PM   #21 
     - It is OK for churches to discriminate based upon  ikojo   May-15-05 05:46 PM   #32 
     - You mean in services or hiring?  mgdecombe   May-15-05 05:55 PM   #35 
        - I mean in hiring. From what I understand, if it is against  ikojo   May-15-05 06:01 PM   #37 
           - You are probably right.  mgdecombe   May-15-05 06:03 PM   #39 
     - In most states one can discriminate based on sexual orientation  ISUGRADIA   May-17-05 12:10 AM   #66 
  - If an ad is for a church, I guess it should be okay to ask if the  Cleita   May-15-05 05:21 PM   #22 
  - No, it is NOT ok, it it completely illegal, and NOT ok.  mgdecombe   May-15-05 05:34 PM   #27 
     - I agree with you, but I did say that if they want members of  Cleita   May-15-05 05:44 PM   #30 
        - I understand. But although I'm not sure about this, they may be obligated  mgdecombe   May-15-05 05:52 PM   #34 
           - Well, as a former Catholic, I can vouch that if a non-Catholic  Cleita   May-15-05 06:32 PM   #47 
              - Agreed that some of this is self-selecting, esp. for admin jobs where  mgdecombe   May-15-05 09:42 PM   #50 
  - the more i think about it, the more i want to apply  nashville_brook   May-15-05 05:31 PM   #26 
  - Call the ACLU and let them know you're applying. They might be intersted  mgdecombe   May-15-05 05:35 PM   #28 
     - ah, a little project... this could be fun  nashville_brook   May-15-05 05:39 PM   #29 
        - If you're qualified, you should go for it. nt  mgdecombe   May-15-05 06:24 PM   #44 
  - Here's one better for you.  TalkingDog   May-15-05 05:47 PM   #33 
  - Hmmmm.... that's an interesting one.  mgdecombe   May-15-05 05:56 PM   #36 
  - No, it is not legal... send to ACLU  lala_rawraw   May-15-05 06:02 PM   #38 
  - Even if it is a church or religious establishment, it is illegal. nt  mgdecombe   May-15-05 06:04 PM   #40 
     - hold up, am writing them as  lala_rawraw   May-15-05 06:07 PM   #41 
        - waha!  mgdecombe   May-15-05 06:22 PM   #43 
  - Okay, this is what I sent...  lala_rawraw   May-15-05 06:18 PM   #42 
  - Well, that's going to light a fire in the undies of the person who  mgdecombe   May-15-05 06:25 PM   #45 
  - Yep and sent to ACLU person  lala_rawraw   May-15-05 06:27 PM   #46 
  - wow, thanks lala!  nashville_brook   May-16-05 08:21 AM   #51 
  - If christian is used as an adjective and not a noun  Toots   May-15-05 06:46 PM   #48 
  - Colleges affiliated with conservative churches ask applicants for  Lydia Leftcoast   May-15-05 07:17 PM   #49 
  - This is similar to an ad I saw in the Sacramento Bee  MaryBear   May-16-05 08:32 AM   #52 
  - It might be warning homophobes to back off.  Bridget Burke   May-16-05 09:02 AM   #54 
     - Probably, but  MaryBear   May-16-05 06:14 PM   #65 
  - Bush's Faith-Based Initiative allows such groups to discriminate in hiring  CornField   May-16-05 08:58 AM   #53 
  - A "Rescue Mission" might well get Federal funds....  Bridget Burke   May-16-05 09:04 AM   #56 
  - A "Rescue Mission" might well get Federal funds....  Bridget Burke   May-16-05 09:04 AM   #57 
  - While not illegal for a church group to do this, it might be illegal  Walt Starr   May-16-05 09:04 AM   #55 
  - They have a book which outlines accepted discrimination  CornField   May-16-05 09:27 AM   #58 
  - I remember all the hoopla over this in 2003  Lone_Star_Dem   May-16-05 10:01 AM   #59 
  - Possibly it is legal  charlottelouise   May-16-05 10:05 AM   #60 
  - OK, as of Feb 2004 it IS legal! About.com:  johnaries   May-16-05 02:30 PM   #62 
  - Looks like they want someone with experience doing Christian graphics  slackmaster   May-16-05 02:32 PM   #63 
     - I see a lot of laid off people getting screwed...  cap   May-16-05 02:43 PM   #64 
 

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