Cleita
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Sun May-15-05 05:21 PM
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| 22. If an ad is for a church, I guess it should be okay to ask if the |
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applicant be a member of that domination. It would seem though that they would best advertise on their church bulletin. Anything else I think is discrimination.
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| -is this legal -- can help wanted ads ask for certain religous backgrounds? |
nashville_brook |
May-15-05 04:49 PM |
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I don't believe so. Any lawyer want to weigh in? n/t |
tx_dem41 |
May-15-05 04:50 PM |
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I think you can, if it's assoc. with a church. |
donco6 |
May-15-05 04:50 PM |
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Nope, churches are not excepted. illegal. nt |
mgdecombe |
May-15-05 04:54 PM |
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I suppose I could be wrong. |
donco6 |
May-15-05 05:06 PM |
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It would be unusual for a person meeting the job qualifications |
mgdecombe |
May-15-05 05:09 PM |
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See the post on Title VII below. nt |
mgdecombe |
May-15-05 05:19 PM |
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That is illegal!! |
in search of sanity |
May-15-05 04:51 PM |
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I'm not sure |
FreedomAngel82 |
May-15-05 04:51 PM |
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Yes |
kwolf68 |
May-15-05 04:55 PM |
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It's a religious not-for-profit. So, it is legal. |
johnaries |
May-15-05 04:57 PM |
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No, it is not legal. It is illegal, unless they are hiring a minister. nt |
mgdecombe |
May-15-05 05:18 PM |
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Sorry, but it is as of Feb 2004: |
johnaries |
May-16-05 02:26 PM |
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it's a religious group |
Bill McBlueState |
May-15-05 05:03 PM |
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It's not discriminatory |
OldLeftieLawyer |
May-15-05 05:07 PM |
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here's the parallel |
Bill McBlueState |
May-15-05 05:11 PM |
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So? |
OldLeftieLawyer |
May-15-05 05:14 PM |
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It *is* discriminatory, and it violates Title VII |
mgdecombe |
May-15-05 05:18 PM |
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Can you imagine if it were the 'other' way around?? |
me b zola |
May-15-05 05:10 PM |
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That's right. And they do not. See my post on Title VII below. nt |
mgdecombe |
May-15-05 05:16 PM |
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it jumped out at me -- i don't know the answer, but it feels skeevey |
nashville_brook |
May-15-05 05:24 PM |
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Here's the law |
mgdecombe |
May-15-05 05:15 PM |
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wow -- thanks for the clarification. with all the christo-fascist news |
nashville_brook |
May-15-05 05:27 PM |
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You're welcome. So far, they haven't been able to destroy things like |
mgdecombe |
May-15-05 05:31 PM |
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Book publishers ask for statement of belief |
DrRang |
May-15-05 05:44 PM |
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Under Bush's "faith" based initiatives it is OK for churches to |
ikojo |
May-15-05 05:18 PM |
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You mean discriminate in services, or not hire based on sexual orientation |
mgdecombe |
May-15-05 05:20 PM |
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It is OK for churches to discriminate based upon |
ikojo |
May-15-05 05:46 PM |
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You mean in services or hiring? |
mgdecombe |
May-15-05 05:55 PM |
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I mean in hiring. From what I understand, if it is against |
ikojo |
May-15-05 06:01 PM |
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You are probably right. |
mgdecombe |
May-15-05 06:03 PM |
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In most states one can discriminate based on sexual orientation |
ISUGRADIA |
May-17-05 12:10 AM |
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If an ad is for a church, I guess it should be okay to ask if the |
Cleita |
May-15-05 05:21 PM |
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No, it is NOT ok, it it completely illegal, and NOT ok. |
mgdecombe |
May-15-05 05:34 PM |
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I agree with you, but I did say that if they want members of |
Cleita |
May-15-05 05:44 PM |
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I understand. But although I'm not sure about this, they may be obligated |
mgdecombe |
May-15-05 05:52 PM |
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Well, as a former Catholic, I can vouch that if a non-Catholic |
Cleita |
May-15-05 06:32 PM |
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Agreed that some of this is self-selecting, esp. for admin jobs where |
mgdecombe |
May-15-05 09:42 PM |
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the more i think about it, the more i want to apply |
nashville_brook |
May-15-05 05:31 PM |
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Call the ACLU and let them know you're applying. They might be intersted |
mgdecombe |
May-15-05 05:35 PM |
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ah, a little project... this could be fun |
nashville_brook |
May-15-05 05:39 PM |
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If you're qualified, you should go for it. nt |
mgdecombe |
May-15-05 06:24 PM |
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Here's one better for you. |
TalkingDog |
May-15-05 05:47 PM |
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Hmmmm.... that's an interesting one. |
mgdecombe |
May-15-05 05:56 PM |
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No, it is not legal... send to ACLU |
lala_rawraw |
May-15-05 06:02 PM |
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Even if it is a church or religious establishment, it is illegal. nt |
mgdecombe |
May-15-05 06:04 PM |
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hold up, am writing them as |
lala_rawraw |
May-15-05 06:07 PM |
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waha! |
mgdecombe |
May-15-05 06:22 PM |
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Okay, this is what I sent... |
lala_rawraw |
May-15-05 06:18 PM |
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Well, that's going to light a fire in the undies of the person who |
mgdecombe |
May-15-05 06:25 PM |
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Yep and sent to ACLU person |
lala_rawraw |
May-15-05 06:27 PM |
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wow, thanks lala! |
nashville_brook |
May-16-05 08:21 AM |
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If christian is used as an adjective and not a noun |
Toots |
May-15-05 06:46 PM |
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Colleges affiliated with conservative churches ask applicants for |
Lydia Leftcoast |
May-15-05 07:17 PM |
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This is similar to an ad I saw in the Sacramento Bee |
MaryBear |
May-16-05 08:32 AM |
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It might be warning homophobes to back off. |
Bridget Burke |
May-16-05 09:02 AM |
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Probably, but |
MaryBear |
May-16-05 06:14 PM |
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Bush's Faith-Based Initiative allows such groups to discriminate in hiring |
CornField |
May-16-05 08:58 AM |
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A "Rescue Mission" might well get Federal funds.... |
Bridget Burke |
May-16-05 09:04 AM |
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A "Rescue Mission" might well get Federal funds.... |
Bridget Burke |
May-16-05 09:04 AM |
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While not illegal for a church group to do this, it might be illegal |
Walt Starr |
May-16-05 09:04 AM |
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They have a book which outlines accepted discrimination |
CornField |
May-16-05 09:27 AM |
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I remember all the hoopla over this in 2003 |
Lone_Star_Dem |
May-16-05 10:01 AM |
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Possibly it is legal |
charlottelouise |
May-16-05 10:05 AM |
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OK, as of Feb 2004 it IS legal! About.com: |
johnaries |
May-16-05 02:30 PM |
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Looks like they want someone with experience doing Christian graphics |
slackmaster |
May-16-05 02:32 PM |
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I see a lot of laid off people getting screwed... |
cap |
May-16-05 02:43 PM |
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