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65. Sorry to disappoint you, but the latest comes from The Guardian
and I remember when it actually happened!

Democrats hope for a new Eisenhower

Profile Oliver Burkeman

Thursday September 18, 2003
The Guardian

In a famous clash the British commander Sir Mike Jackson refused Gen Clark's request for troops to prevent the Russians taking control of Pristina airport, reportedly telling him: "I'm not going to start the third world war for you."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,3604,10...

"I'm not going to start Third World War for you," Jackson told Clark.

Behind the scenes battle over Pristina airport between British adn US genereals comes to light

Mark Tran
Monday August 2, 1999


Nato supreme commander General Wesley Clark is not being allowed to fade away quietly. Days after the Clinton administration relieved him of his command two months early, Newsweek is reporting that the victor of Kosovo was blocked from sending paratroopers to Pristina airport to pre-empt an unexpected Russian advance.

Lieutenant-general Sir Michael Jackson overruled General Clark because the British commander did not want to spark a clash with the Russians.

"I'm not going to start Third World War for you," General Jackson told the US commander, according to Newsweek. In the hours that followed General Clark's order, both men sought political backing for their position, but only General Jackson received it.

News of the clash between the British and US commanders comes just days after the US snubbed General Clark by ordering him to step down next year, two months early, to make way for Air Force General Joseph Ralston, vice chairman of the joint chiefs of staff.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/Kosovo/Story/0,2763,208120,00...

Thursday, 9 March, 2000, 14:14 GMT
Confrontation over Pristina airport



General Jackson: Backed by UK Government

Details of Russia's surprise occupation of Pristina airport at the end of the Kosovo war are revealed in a new BBC documentary on the conflict.

For the first time, the key players in the tense confrontation between Nato and Russian troops talk about the stand-off which jeopardised the entire peacekeeping mission.

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But General Clark's plan was blocked by General Sir Mike Jackson, K-For's British commander.

"I'm not going to start the Third World War for you," he reportedly told General Clark during one heated exchange.

General Jackson tells the BBC: ''We were (looking at) a possibility....of confrontation with the Russian contingent which seemed to me probably not the right way to start off a relationship with Russians who were going to become part of my command.''

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/671495.stm
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  - that does it  ButterflyBlood   Sep-18-03 10:08 PM   #1 
  - Me too.  BurtWorm   Sep-18-03 10:17 PM   #9 
  - Good thinking  UnapologeticLiberal   Sep-19-03 02:15 AM   #73 
  - i feel sick to my  newsguyatl   Sep-18-03 10:10 PM   #2 
  - the last few weeks I've been thinking  CMT   Sep-18-03 10:13 PM   #4 
  - i agree CMT  newsguyatl   Sep-18-03 10:17 PM   #10 
  - Wait!  Pastiche423   Sep-18-03 10:24 PM   #20 
  - He said he wasnt a Dem until 1992 when Clinton brought him into  Bertrand   Sep-18-03 10:27 PM   #22 
  - Yes he added Nixon to the probably of Reagan  roughsatori   Sep-18-03 10:40 PM   #33 
     - That does it!  Pastiche423   Sep-18-03 11:13 PM   #43 
        - I'll say this much for Lieberman  CMT   Sep-18-03 11:20 PM   #45 
        - Are you advocating a Dem purity test?  rolodomo   Sep-19-03 12:52 AM   #62 
           - Hi rolodomo!!  newyawker99   Sep-19-03 10:09 AM   #82 
  - Well, if he had crossed party lines and switched to the Democrats...  RatTerrier   Sep-19-03 01:53 AM   #70 
  - yay!  GBD4   Sep-19-03 10:41 AM   #83 
  - newsguyatl  Bertrand   Sep-18-03 10:17 PM   #8 
  - Dean probably would have too.  disgruntella   Sep-18-03 10:12 PM   #3 
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  - Kucinich voted against the war, as did Bob Graham  IndianaGreen   Sep-18-03 10:22 PM   #17 
  - agree  CMT   Sep-18-03 10:45 PM   #36 
     - aWol scammed Congress on this issue!  rolodomo   Sep-19-03 01:12 AM   #66 
  - There were those who did vote against it as well  CWebster   Sep-18-03 10:37 PM   #31 
  - Vermont and Hawaii  UnapologeticLiberal   Sep-19-03 02:12 AM   #72 
  - No, Dean was an active grassroots supporter for  liberalnurse   Sep-18-03 10:30 PM   #26 
  - My suspicions too  PurityOfEssence   Sep-18-03 10:42 PM   #34 
     - didn't stop Kucinich or Graham  CMT   Sep-18-03 10:51 PM   #40 
     - One hundred and thirty three lawmakers voted NO  Pastiche423   Sep-18-03 11:20 PM   #44 
        - Quite true, and many with the most Foreign and Intelligence knowledge  PurityOfEssence   Sep-19-03 12:50 AM   #61 
     - I would pay money  Egnever   Sep-19-03 03:03 AM   #78 
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  - The question of 'going in'  Maple   Sep-18-03 10:22 PM   #15 
  - there is more to the statement:  Donna Zen   Sep-18-03 10:26 PM   #21 
  - He goes on to say  OKNancy   Sep-18-03 10:20 PM   #13 
  - oh, THAT can't be right  disgruntella   Sep-18-03 10:24 PM   #19 
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  - You're Right  Bertrand   Sep-18-03 10:22 PM   #16 
  - Why?  Maple   Sep-18-03 10:24 PM   #18 
  - "no need for anyone to invade" - ? - three letter word...  nu_duer   Sep-18-03 10:48 PM   #38 
  - You are using Kerry logic  IndianaGreen   Sep-18-03 10:29 PM   #25 
  - But you see  HazMat   Sep-18-03 10:47 PM   #37 
     - there's no such thing as a "yes, but" vote....  mike_c   Sep-18-03 11:41 PM   #50 
     - I don't think dead people understand nuances  maggrwaggr   Sep-19-03 12:23 AM   #53 
        - Will Deanies ever stop beating on that strawman ?  HazMat   Sep-19-03 04:31 AM   #79 
  - The IWR meant nothing, anyway  HazMat   Sep-18-03 10:28 PM   #23 
  - well then Kerry,Edwards, Lieberman, Gep  CMT   Sep-18-03 10:31 PM   #27 
  - Kerry's vote was 100% correct based on the evidence  HazMat   Sep-18-03 11:01 PM   #41 
     - not the way I see it  CMT   Sep-18-03 11:03 PM   #42 
     - how come I wasn't fooled? How come 130 others who voted weren't either?  maggrwaggr   Sep-19-03 12:26 AM   #54 
  - Too bad most don't see it that way.  Sterling   Sep-18-03 10:32 PM   #28 
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  - The f**k he didn't.  Mechatanketra   Sep-19-03 12:43 AM   #59 
     - Congress has Repeatedly Acquiesced to President on this  rolodomo   Sep-19-03 01:23 AM   #67 
     - I'll take what's behind door #3, Monty.  HazMat   Sep-19-03 04:51 AM   #80 
  - Anyone who saw his comentary on CNN knows he was not and is not  Sterling   Sep-18-03 10:29 PM   #24 
  - I rarely saw him on CNN  CMT   Sep-18-03 10:33 PM   #29 
  - What did anyone expect  CWebster   Sep-18-03 10:33 PM   #30 
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  - He's honest, at least  WilliamPitt   Sep-18-03 11:21 PM   #46 
  - yes  CMT   Sep-18-03 11:35 PM   #49 
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     - If a reporter asked me on the record  rolodomo   Sep-19-03 01:29 AM   #68 
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  - Well, THIS Takes a Little Wind Out of My Sails  DoveTurnedHawk   Sep-18-03 11:24 PM   #47 
  - This may play in the South but  Buzzz   Sep-18-03 11:25 PM   #48 
  - All I can say is  Trek234   Sep-19-03 12:14 AM   #51 
  - clark is a lunatic  friendofbenn   Sep-19-03 12:18 AM   #52 
  - sorry but that story smells like RW bullshit  maggrwaggr   Sep-19-03 12:31 AM   #56 
     - its true  friendofbenn   Sep-19-03 12:36 AM   #57 
     - I take it your a big fan of sir micheal jackson  rolodomo   Sep-19-03 01:36 AM   #69 
     - Here Is A Link  JasonBerry   Sep-19-03 12:48 AM   #60 
     - By The Way...  JasonBerry   Sep-19-03 12:53 AM   #64 
     - Sorry to disappoint you, but the latest comes from The Guardian  IndianaGreen   Sep-19-03 12:54 AM   #65 
     - Why is everything that is said against Clark right-wing?????  Cascadian   Sep-19-03 02:18 AM   #75 
  - war criminal is as war criminal does  sujan   Sep-19-03 12:39 AM   #58 
  - So what do you want to do, impeach Clinton?  rsammel   Sep-19-03 12:52 AM   #63 
  - Clinton On The Threat of Force  DrFunkenstein   Sep-19-03 02:16 AM   #74 
  - Head up ass?  CentristDemocrat   Sep-19-03 10:42 AM   #84 
  - Clark said: "probably" "resemble" "probably"  Jolene   Sep-19-03 02:08 AM   #71 
  - Exactly  returnable   Sep-19-03 10:49 AM   #85 
  - Dean is definately a visionary who sees where things are going  Classical_Liberal   Sep-19-03 02:44 AM   #76 
     - I agree  CMT   Sep-19-03 07:56 AM   #81 
 

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