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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-05 03:14 PM
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49. A monument to the Native Americans (my ancestors)...
...murdered in the conquest of America wouldn't hurt, either. I think most people could accept and appreciate it.

Good post!

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  -There should be a monument honoring Black slaves. Jara sang  May-13-05 07:30 AM   #0 
  - Boy, would that piss off the right-wing.  onehandle   May-13-05 07:36 AM   #1 
  - Absolutely! And there should be a monument honoring all the  0007   May-13-05 07:42 AM   #2 
  - yes, yes, yes & yes n/t  G_j   May-13-05 07:49 AM   #3 
  - I like it. What a great idea. nt  bemildred   May-13-05 07:55 AM   #4 
  - I was going to suggest one for Native Americans as well.  Jara sang   May-13-05 09:01 AM   #13 
     - I agree for blacks but,  William Bloode   May-13-05 04:50 PM   #78 
        - I'd suggest less a monument to the native peoples but a  neweurope   May-14-05 01:10 PM   #168 
  - How about a monument...  Deep13   May-13-05 07:57 AM   #5 
  - I'm for reparations  Jara sang   May-13-05 08:58 AM   #12 
  - exactly  realisticphish   May-13-05 10:06 AM   #14 
  - I'm also for reparations ...  Kweli4Real   May-13-05 01:47 PM   #33 
     - Reparations will never happen in our lifetime  Horse with no Name   May-13-05 02:17 PM   #45 
  - The problem with reparations  XemaSab   May-13-05 09:44 PM   #149 
  - Great idea.  MuseRider   May-13-05 08:00 AM   #6 
  - There's one in Detroit  noonwitch   May-13-05 08:13 AM   #7 
  - Wasn't the Statue of Liberty  Village Idiot   May-13-05 08:25 AM   #8 
  - Nope. The story has been flying around the 'Net for years. Check Snopes  mcscajun   May-13-05 06:32 PM   #116 
  - Sounds good to me, however  MadHound   May-13-05 08:27 AM   #9 
  - Interesting that you would compare indentured servitude...  tx_dem41   May-13-05 10:13 AM   #17 
  - I was waiting for somebody to bite, thanks  MadHound   May-13-05 10:51 AM   #18 
  - The Chinese who built the railroads weren't much better off.  UdoKier   May-13-05 01:01 PM   #19 
  - I'm not saying that at all friend,  MadHound   May-13-05 01:10 PM   #21 
  - no one is saying that: EXCEPT YOU  noiretblu   May-13-05 04:57 PM   #81 
  - Checking the first website  Lurking_Argyle   May-13-05 06:40 PM   #117 
  - Zinn is almost as well-known and respected among progressives as Chomsky.  UdoKier   May-13-05 07:42 PM   #119 
     - Re-read your own posts  Lurking_Argyle   May-14-05 01:22 AM   #157 
        - I'm not familiar with Hoffman, and was not interested in those links.  UdoKier   May-14-05 05:27 PM   #179 
  - Madhound: Why are you posting links to WHITE SUPREMACISTS?  ultraist   May-13-05 07:54 PM   #121 
     - Yes, Hoffman is a white supremacist, but the facts about  QC   May-13-05 08:21 PM   #127 
  - I agree tx_dem41  ultraist   May-13-05 02:04 PM   #38 
     - Nice to see that you're buying into the revisionist history friend,  MadHound   May-13-05 02:12 PM   #41 
     - There are not only "two major differences"  ultraist   May-13-05 02:41 PM   #47 
        - I think you might benefit by a closer examination of this issue,  MadHound   May-13-05 04:57 PM   #80 
           - Racism and classism  ultraist   May-13-05 05:20 PM   #93 
     - Hi Ultraist.  tx_dem41   May-13-05 02:13 PM   #42 
  - yeah  mark414   May-14-05 01:13 AM   #156 
  - That is an outstanding idea.  BullGooseLoony   May-13-05 08:27 AM   #10 
  - There already is. The foundation of the U.S. Capitol was built by slaves  leveymg   May-13-05 08:28 AM   #11 
  - I think that they deserve better than a "plaque"...  LiberallyInclined   May-13-05 01:42 PM   #31 
     - Most people would prefer cash to a new monument. Reparations. n/t  leveymg   May-13-05 05:25 PM   #97 
        - direct cash reparations will never, and should never, happen...  LiberallyInclined   May-13-05 08:36 PM   #128 
  - OMG! Great Fucking Idea! Nominated!  DistressedAmerican   May-13-05 10:09 AM   #15 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   May-13-05 10:11 AM   #16 
  - Here we go.  Terran   May-13-05 01:05 PM   #20 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   May-13-05 01:13 PM   #22 
     - "Why only to BLACK slaves?"  Terran   May-13-05 01:22 PM   #23 
     - No, those are ways of giving positive recognition to a culture.  UdoKier   May-13-05 01:26 PM   #24 
     - No, sorry  Terran   May-13-05 01:33 PM   #25 
     - "African-Americans, as a group, still are."  UdoKier   May-13-05 01:42 PM   #30 
     - DENIAL!  ultraist   May-13-05 02:13 PM   #43 
     - Revealing,yes.  UdoKier   May-13-05 02:24 PM   #46 
        - Wow  Terran   May-13-05 03:48 PM   #67 
        - I would have no problem with reparation, but only in one of 2 ways  UdoKier   May-13-05 04:02 PM   #70 
           - do you know that many black people didn't have birth certificates  noiretblu   May-13-05 04:55 PM   #79 
              - How about reparations to all citizens who were denied the vote?  UdoKier   May-13-05 07:50 PM   #120 
                 - that's just fiine with me...reparations for everyone!!!!!!  noiretblu   May-14-05 03:56 PM   #174 
                    - Wow.  UdoKier   May-14-05 05:18 PM   #178 
                       - are reparations *generally* based on income?  noiretblu   May-14-05 05:31 PM   #180 
                          - That's because reparations are usually paid to living victims...  UdoKier   May-14-05 06:22 PM   #182 
                             - gee..if only the enslavers had your wisdom  noiretblu   May-14-05 06:36 PM   #183 
                                - Winding up...  UdoKier   May-14-05 09:17 PM   #184 
                                - nice revision of your position  noiretblu   May-14-05 09:58 PM   #186 
        - Race matters  ultraist   May-13-05 05:04 PM   #85 
     - Sigh  Terran   May-13-05 03:30 PM   #51 
     - It should not be about black or white  dogday   May-13-05 01:45 PM   #32 
     - That is such bullshit.  Jara sang   May-13-05 02:02 PM   #37 
        - Thousands died building the west  UdoKier   May-13-05 02:16 PM   #44 
           - get a grip  SlavesandBulldozers   May-13-05 04:28 PM   #74 
           - Thank you so much!  Jara sang   May-13-05 04:59 PM   #82 
           - it's fucking amazing isn't it?  noiretblu   May-13-05 05:14 PM   #90 
              - honestly i didn't expect to see this coming from DU'ers  SlavesandBulldozers   May-13-05 05:23 PM   #95 
                 - Oh, I did.  ultraist   May-13-05 05:30 PM   #100 
                 - DU is a microcosm  noiretblu   May-13-05 05:31 PM   #101 
                 - Not really...  misanthrope   May-14-05 12:51 PM   #167 
                    - we are a part of "average america"  noiretblu   May-14-05 03:44 PM   #173 
                 - It happens all the time  Tomee450   May-13-05 05:51 PM   #109 
           - UdoKier --- Take a moment to reflect what is being written to you.  Kerrytravelers   May-16-05 11:03 AM   #189 
     - A quick question on that - why not american indian history month?  The Straight Story   May-13-05 08:47 PM   #129 
        - Why is it that when something  Tomee450   May-13-05 09:01 PM   #132 
        - Why is it that some people  The Straight Story   May-13-05 09:35 PM   #146 
           - Just tell me what group  Tomee450   May-13-05 09:50 PM   #151 
              - Other Groups?  The Straight Story   May-13-05 10:07 PM   #154 
        - I agree with you completely  FinallyStartingToWin   May-13-05 09:19 PM   #139 
        - National American Indian Heritage Month already exists.  SemiCharmedQuark   May-14-05 11:00 AM   #163 
        - thank you for correcting my error!  The Straight Story   May-14-05 10:09 PM   #188 
        - ixnay on the onthmay  wtmusic   May-14-05 11:55 AM   #165 
     - Did I say ONLY Black slaves deserve recognition?  Jara sang   May-13-05 02:01 PM   #36 
     - No, the OP did.  UdoKier   May-13-05 03:39 PM   #60 
        - really?  SlavesandBulldozers   May-13-05 05:12 PM   #89 
     - Becuase they carried the burden of slavery AFTER slavery was over!!!  jeffrey_X   May-13-05 03:46 PM   #65 
        - LOL, Yeah,and after the railroads were build, Asians were treated equally!  UdoKier   May-13-05 04:05 PM   #71 
           - How many innocent asians have been convicted of crimes they didn't  jeffrey_X   May-13-05 04:31 PM   #75 
           - you cannot be serious  SlavesandBulldozers   May-13-05 04:33 PM   #76 
           - decided to bow out of this debate i guess  SlavesandBulldozers   May-13-05 05:26 PM   #98 
           - exactly  ultraist   May-13-05 06:04 PM   #113 
           - No one is saying that Asians and other minorities haven't been treated  wildeyed   May-13-05 05:21 PM   #94 
           - you must have missed the reparations paid to japanese americans  noiretblu   May-13-05 05:34 PM   #103 
           - Reparations were strictly for the forced repatriation.  UdoKier   May-13-05 07:54 PM   #122 
              - how, exactly, would it be "racist?"  noiretblu   May-14-05 03:40 PM   #172 
           - Only Chinese men were allowed to come here  XemaSab   May-13-05 09:22 PM   #140 
  - Hey, Black slavery is the most notorious.  Jara sang   May-13-05 01:59 PM   #35 
  - No, white slaves didn't come here of their own free will  MadHound   May-13-05 02:06 PM   #39 
  - I know the history  Jara sang   May-13-05 03:28 PM   #50 
     - Many whites didn't come here of their own free will  MadHound   May-13-05 05:04 PM   #86 
     - i fail to understand your argument  noiretblu   May-13-05 05:15 PM   #91 
        - Nothing  ultraist   May-13-05 05:48 PM   #108 
     - No, you clearly don't know the history,  QC   May-13-05 05:40 PM   #105 
  - Did they? I don't think that they all did...  UdoKier   May-13-05 02:11 PM   #40 
     - You don't think?  Terran   May-13-05 03:38 PM   #59 
        - I only omitted them because the topic is slavery.  UdoKier   May-13-05 03:57 PM   #69 
        - "An atrocity is an atrocity"  Terran   May-13-05 04:09 PM   #72 
        - the topic the OP posed was about BLACK slavery  noiretblu   May-13-05 05:28 PM   #99 
        - If you think Native Americans  XemaSab   May-13-05 09:24 PM   #142 
        - The only people who have a problem with Zinn are reactionaries  QC   May-13-05 05:47 PM   #107 
  - How many whites are born in the ghetto and oppressed from day 1?  jeffrey_X   May-13-05 03:44 PM   #62 
  - Have one honor the blacks who fought for the Union in the Civil War  ArtVandaley   May-13-05 01:35 PM   #26 
  - Or if you want to watch freepers and racists heads explode  MadHound   May-13-05 01:38 PM   #27 
  - you mean like this one?  northzax   May-16-05 11:18 AM   #191 
  - There should be a monument  Divameow77   May-13-05 01:41 PM   #28 
  - Hear hear!  MadHound   May-13-05 01:42 PM   #29 
  - Then just make it...  misanthrope   May-13-05 02:43 PM   #48 
  - Yes slavery is a horrible institution  Jara sang   May-13-05 03:33 PM   #55 
  - Sorry. Killers are much more popular than builders.  Tierra_y_Libertad   May-13-05 01:55 PM   #34 
  - A monument to the Native Americans (my ancestors)...  Zhade   May-13-05 03:14 PM   #49 
  - Indeed, a monument and a whole lot more. n/t  Jara sang   May-13-05 03:30 PM   #53 
     - Yeah, like decent living conditions for one.  Zhade   May-13-05 03:44 PM   #63 
        - I've driven through Pine Ridge and the Navajo Nation.  Jara sang   May-14-05 09:19 PM   #185 
  - Love the idea of the statue straddling the Potomac  wildeyed   May-13-05 03:30 PM   #52 
  - It is the Capitol dome actually.  Jara sang   May-13-05 03:31 PM   #54 
     - I like the bridge image of bringing together,  wildeyed   May-13-05 05:00 PM   #83 
  - There is no monument to slavery on the mall? Wow! I can't believe  applegrove   May-13-05 03:34 PM   #56 
  - No, but there is a MLK plaque on the mall  ultraist   May-13-05 05:59 PM   #111 
     - Wow! That is really harsh. Wonder why Rice doesn't get on that right  applegrove   May-14-05 04:58 PM   #177 
  - This is a great idea  KT2000   May-13-05 03:35 PM   #57 
  - I'm all for the idea, but it will never happen  DeaconBlues   May-13-05 03:36 PM   #58 
  - We have a Holocaust museum (?!?!) but our own atrocities go unnoticed  DerekG   May-13-05 03:42 PM   #61 
  - i was going to try to tie into the Native American holocaust in this post.  Jara sang   May-13-05 05:03 PM   #84 
  - Now that is a great idea.  Ellen Forradalom   May-13-05 03:44 PM   #64 
  - This is a great idea!  jeffrey_X   May-13-05 03:46 PM   #66 
  - Excellent idea! Who's going to get this going?  funflower   May-13-05 03:50 PM   #68 
  - I totally agree  DemBeans   May-13-05 04:13 PM   #73 
  - I whole heartedly agree!  William Bloode   May-13-05 04:44 PM   #77 
  - fuck a monument...it would never happen anyway  noiretblu   May-13-05 05:09 PM   #87 
  - And as well the american indians  sweetheart   May-13-05 05:11 PM   #88 
  - i have to agree, sweetheart  noiretblu   May-13-05 05:18 PM   #92 
  - to those bringing up indians, chinese, and indentured servants  noiretblu   May-13-05 05:23 PM   #96 
  - reparations for injustice as a form of justice  sweetheart   May-13-05 05:33 PM   #102 
  - sweetheart, thanks for replying  noiretblu   May-13-05 05:44 PM   #106 
     - Long term problems require strategic measures  sweetheart   May-13-05 05:56 PM   #110 
  - I didn't bring up those subjects, but I'll take a stab at this one.  QC   May-13-05 09:50 PM   #150 
     - thanks for your response, QC  noiretblu   May-14-05 04:10 PM   #176 
  - Where should it be erected?  eleny   May-13-05 05:40 PM   #104 
  - How about a giant statue of Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.  Swamp Rat   May-13-05 06:00 PM   #112 
  - There's a VERY large  XemaSab   May-13-05 09:32 PM   #145 
     - Not big enough!  Swamp Rat   May-14-05 02:04 AM   #159 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   May-13-05 06:26 PM   #114 
  - interesting belief  noiretblu   May-13-05 06:40 PM   #118 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   May-13-05 08:03 PM   #123 
     - You implied slaves did not contribute economically  ultraist   May-13-05 08:09 PM   #124 
        - Deleted message  Name removed   May-13-05 08:18 PM   #126 
           - No, the bolding in the middle  Tomee450   May-13-05 08:53 PM   #130 
              - Deleted message  Name removed   May-13-05 08:56 PM   #131 
                 - You see what you want to see  Tomee450   May-13-05 09:07 PM   #134 
                    - Deleted message  Name removed   May-13-05 09:14 PM   #136 
  - You are woefully ignorant of the facts.  Jara sang   May-13-05 09:15 PM   #137 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   May-13-05 09:24 PM   #141 
     - Do you believe the killing of Native Americans was genocide? n/t  Jara sang   May-13-05 09:30 PM   #143 
     - "Farming requires no skills"  QC   May-13-05 10:01 PM   #152 
     - Yes, 2 million Africans died during the Middle passage alone!  ultraist   May-13-05 09:31 PM   #144 
        - Agreed, it is a hard habit to break.  Jara sang   May-13-05 09:38 PM   #148 
  - Yup.  youthere   May-13-05 06:28 PM   #115 
  - There is a beautiful Civil Rights Monument in Montgomery, AL  peacebaby3   May-13-05 08:10 PM   #125 
  - SPLC is a great organization! n/t  Pushed To The Left   May-13-05 09:11 PM   #135 
  - I would like to walk the Selma to Montgomery trail  Jara sang   May-13-05 09:17 PM   #138 
     - I have with President Clinton.  peacebaby3   May-14-05 07:49 AM   #160 
        - Clinton made his magnificent "son of the south" speech on the bridge  oasis   May-14-05 01:16 PM   #170 
  - Awesome post! Kick!  journalist3072   May-13-05 09:02 PM   #133 
  - There is one in Savannah, GA  alphafemale   May-13-05 09:37 PM   #147 
  - Hey, I' a monument artist w/20 years' experience...  spacelady   May-13-05 10:06 PM   #153 
  - i think it's a great idea and would love to see your vision...  NuttyFluffers   May-14-05 02:03 AM   #158 
     - John Biggers  ultraist   May-14-05 11:40 AM   #164 
  - There should be...and they should be replace every confederate  izzybeans   May-13-05 10:19 PM   #155 
  - Absolutely!  laura888   May-14-05 08:00 AM   #161 
  - YES! An absolutely terrific idea!  tom_paine   May-14-05 08:08 AM   #162 
  - If you really want a monument, how about slaves?  sweetheart   May-14-05 12:11 PM   #166 
  - There certainly should be.  neweurope   May-14-05 01:11 PM   #169 
  - HERE IS ONE!!!!!  Notorious Bohemian   May-14-05 01:17 PM   #171 
  - I think that is a great idea  Book Lover   May-14-05 04:06 PM   #175 
  - I really like the 'Colossus' idea, great post n/t  entanglement   May-14-05 05:58 PM   #181 
  - I'll tell ya something else - MLK should be on currency of some sort  HEyHEY   May-14-05 10:00 PM   #187 
  - I disagree  northzax   May-16-05 11:11 AM   #190 
  - A wonderful idea- unfortunately, a thread that went out of control  Kerrytravelers   May-16-05 11:19 AM   #192 
  - Good Idea  BronxBoy   May-16-05 12:17 PM   #193 
 

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