| 47. There are not only "two major differences" |
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That is an oversimplification. Perhaps YOU should read more about early indentured servitude and slavery of African Americans. excerpts: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/aia/part1/1narr4.html All were indentured servants. During their time as servants, they were fed and housed. Afterwards, they would be given what were known as "freedom dues," which usually included a piece of land and supplies, including a gun. Black-skinned or white-skinned, they became free. This disorder that the indentured servant system had created made racial slavery to southern slaveholders much more attractive, because what were black slaves now? Well, they were a permanent dependent labor force, who could be defined as a people set apart. They were racially set apart. They were outsiders. They were strangers and in many ways throughout the world, slavery has taken root, especially where people are considered outsiders and can be put in a permanent status of slavery. - David Blight, historian The Middle Passage Slaves packed like cargo between decks often had to lie in each other's feces, urine, and blood. Over the centuries, between one and two million persons died in the crossing. This meant that the living were often chained to the dead until ship surgeons such as Alexander Falconbridge had the corpses thrown overboard.
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| -There should be a monument honoring Black slaves. |
Jara sang |
May-13-05 07:30 AM |
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Boy, would that piss off the right-wing. |
onehandle |
May-13-05 07:36 AM |
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Absolutely! And there should be a monument honoring all the |
0007 |
May-13-05 07:42 AM |
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yes, yes, yes & yes n/t |
G_j |
May-13-05 07:49 AM |
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I like it. What a great idea. nt |
bemildred |
May-13-05 07:55 AM |
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I was going to suggest one for Native Americans as well. |
Jara sang |
May-13-05 09:01 AM |
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I agree for blacks but, |
William Bloode |
May-13-05 04:50 PM |
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I'd suggest less a monument to the native peoples but a |
neweurope |
May-14-05 01:10 PM |
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How about a monument... |
Deep13 |
May-13-05 07:57 AM |
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I'm for reparations |
Jara sang |
May-13-05 08:58 AM |
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exactly |
realisticphish |
May-13-05 10:06 AM |
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I'm also for reparations ... |
Kweli4Real |
May-13-05 01:47 PM |
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Reparations will never happen in our lifetime |
Horse with no Name |
May-13-05 02:17 PM |
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The problem with reparations |
XemaSab |
May-13-05 09:44 PM |
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Great idea. |
MuseRider |
May-13-05 08:00 AM |
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There's one in Detroit |
noonwitch |
May-13-05 08:13 AM |
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Wasn't the Statue of Liberty |
Village Idiot |
May-13-05 08:25 AM |
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Nope. The story has been flying around the 'Net for years. Check Snopes |
mcscajun |
May-13-05 06:32 PM |
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Sounds good to me, however |
MadHound |
May-13-05 08:27 AM |
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Interesting that you would compare indentured servitude... |
tx_dem41 |
May-13-05 10:13 AM |
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I was waiting for somebody to bite, thanks |
MadHound |
May-13-05 10:51 AM |
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The Chinese who built the railroads weren't much better off. |
UdoKier |
May-13-05 01:01 PM |
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I'm not saying that at all friend, |
MadHound |
May-13-05 01:10 PM |
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no one is saying that: EXCEPT YOU |
noiretblu |
May-13-05 04:57 PM |
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Checking the first website |
Lurking_Argyle |
May-13-05 06:40 PM |
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Zinn is almost as well-known and respected among progressives as Chomsky. |
UdoKier |
May-13-05 07:42 PM |
#119 |
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Re-read your own posts |
Lurking_Argyle |
May-14-05 01:22 AM |
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I'm not familiar with Hoffman, and was not interested in those links. |
UdoKier |
May-14-05 05:27 PM |
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Madhound: Why are you posting links to WHITE SUPREMACISTS? |
ultraist |
May-13-05 07:54 PM |
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Yes, Hoffman is a white supremacist, but the facts about |
QC |
May-13-05 08:21 PM |
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I agree tx_dem41 |
ultraist |
May-13-05 02:04 PM |
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Nice to see that you're buying into the revisionist history friend, |
MadHound |
May-13-05 02:12 PM |
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There are not only "two major differences" |
ultraist |
May-13-05 02:41 PM |
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I think you might benefit by a closer examination of this issue, |
MadHound |
May-13-05 04:57 PM |
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Racism and classism |
ultraist |
May-13-05 05:20 PM |
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Hi Ultraist. |
tx_dem41 |
May-13-05 02:13 PM |
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yeah |
mark414 |
May-14-05 01:13 AM |
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That is an outstanding idea. |
BullGooseLoony |
May-13-05 08:27 AM |
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There already is. The foundation of the U.S. Capitol was built by slaves |
leveymg |
May-13-05 08:28 AM |
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I think that they deserve better than a "plaque"... |
LiberallyInclined |
May-13-05 01:42 PM |
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Most people would prefer cash to a new monument. Reparations. n/t |
leveymg |
May-13-05 05:25 PM |
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direct cash reparations will never, and should never, happen... |
LiberallyInclined |
May-13-05 08:36 PM |
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OMG! Great Fucking Idea! Nominated! |
DistressedAmerican |
May-13-05 10:09 AM |
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May-13-05 10:11 AM |
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Here we go. |
Terran |
May-13-05 01:05 PM |
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May-13-05 01:13 PM |
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"Why only to BLACK slaves?" |
Terran |
May-13-05 01:22 PM |
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No, those are ways of giving positive recognition to a culture. |
UdoKier |
May-13-05 01:26 PM |
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No, sorry |
Terran |
May-13-05 01:33 PM |
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"African-Americans, as a group, still are." |
UdoKier |
May-13-05 01:42 PM |
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DENIAL! |
ultraist |
May-13-05 02:13 PM |
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Revealing,yes. |
UdoKier |
May-13-05 02:24 PM |
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Wow |
Terran |
May-13-05 03:48 PM |
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I would have no problem with reparation, but only in one of 2 ways |
UdoKier |
May-13-05 04:02 PM |
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do you know that many black people didn't have birth certificates |
noiretblu |
May-13-05 04:55 PM |
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How about reparations to all citizens who were denied the vote? |
UdoKier |
May-13-05 07:50 PM |
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that's just fiine with me...reparations for everyone!!!!!! |
noiretblu |
May-14-05 03:56 PM |
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Wow. |
UdoKier |
May-14-05 05:18 PM |
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are reparations *generally* based on income? |
noiretblu |
May-14-05 05:31 PM |
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That's because reparations are usually paid to living victims... |
UdoKier |
May-14-05 06:22 PM |
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gee..if only the enslavers had your wisdom |
noiretblu |
May-14-05 06:36 PM |
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Winding up... |
UdoKier |
May-14-05 09:17 PM |
#184 |
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nice revision of your position |
noiretblu |
May-14-05 09:58 PM |
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Race matters |
ultraist |
May-13-05 05:04 PM |
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Sigh |
Terran |
May-13-05 03:30 PM |
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It should not be about black or white |
dogday |
May-13-05 01:45 PM |
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That is such bullshit. |
Jara sang |
May-13-05 02:02 PM |
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Thousands died building the west |
UdoKier |
May-13-05 02:16 PM |
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get a grip |
SlavesandBulldozers |
May-13-05 04:28 PM |
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Thank you so much! |
Jara sang |
May-13-05 04:59 PM |
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it's fucking amazing isn't it? |
noiretblu |
May-13-05 05:14 PM |
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honestly i didn't expect to see this coming from DU'ers |
SlavesandBulldozers |
May-13-05 05:23 PM |
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Oh, I did. |
ultraist |
May-13-05 05:30 PM |
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DU is a microcosm |
noiretblu |
May-13-05 05:31 PM |
#101 |
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Not really... |
misanthrope |
May-14-05 12:51 PM |
#167 |
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we are a part of "average america" |
noiretblu |
May-14-05 03:44 PM |
#173 |
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It happens all the time |
Tomee450 |
May-13-05 05:51 PM |
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UdoKier --- Take a moment to reflect what is being written to you. |
Kerrytravelers |
May-16-05 11:03 AM |
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A quick question on that - why not american indian history month? |
The Straight Story |
May-13-05 08:47 PM |
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Why is it that when something |
Tomee450 |
May-13-05 09:01 PM |
#132 |
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Why is it that some people |
The Straight Story |
May-13-05 09:35 PM |
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Just tell me what group |
Tomee450 |
May-13-05 09:50 PM |
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Other Groups? |
The Straight Story |
May-13-05 10:07 PM |
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I agree with you completely |
FinallyStartingToWin |
May-13-05 09:19 PM |
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National American Indian Heritage Month already exists. |
SemiCharmedQuark |
May-14-05 11:00 AM |
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thank you for correcting my error! |
The Straight Story |
May-14-05 10:09 PM |
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ixnay on the onthmay |
wtmusic |
May-14-05 11:55 AM |
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Did I say ONLY Black slaves deserve recognition? |
Jara sang |
May-13-05 02:01 PM |
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No, the OP did. |
UdoKier |
May-13-05 03:39 PM |
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really? |
SlavesandBulldozers |
May-13-05 05:12 PM |
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Becuase they carried the burden of slavery AFTER slavery was over!!! |
jeffrey_X |
May-13-05 03:46 PM |
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LOL, Yeah,and after the railroads were build, Asians were treated equally! |
UdoKier |
May-13-05 04:05 PM |
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How many innocent asians have been convicted of crimes they didn't |
jeffrey_X |
May-13-05 04:31 PM |
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you cannot be serious |
SlavesandBulldozers |
May-13-05 04:33 PM |
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decided to bow out of this debate i guess |
SlavesandBulldozers |
May-13-05 05:26 PM |
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exactly |
ultraist |
May-13-05 06:04 PM |
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No one is saying that Asians and other minorities haven't been treated |
wildeyed |
May-13-05 05:21 PM |
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you must have missed the reparations paid to japanese americans |
noiretblu |
May-13-05 05:34 PM |
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Reparations were strictly for the forced repatriation. |
UdoKier |
May-13-05 07:54 PM |
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how, exactly, would it be "racist?" |
noiretblu |
May-14-05 03:40 PM |
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Only Chinese men were allowed to come here |
XemaSab |
May-13-05 09:22 PM |
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Hey, Black slavery is the most notorious. |
Jara sang |
May-13-05 01:59 PM |
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No, white slaves didn't come here of their own free will |
MadHound |
May-13-05 02:06 PM |
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I know the history |
Jara sang |
May-13-05 03:28 PM |
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Many whites didn't come here of their own free will |
MadHound |
May-13-05 05:04 PM |
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i fail to understand your argument |
noiretblu |
May-13-05 05:15 PM |
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Nothing |
ultraist |
May-13-05 05:48 PM |
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No, you clearly don't know the history, |
QC |
May-13-05 05:40 PM |
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Did they? I don't think that they all did... |
UdoKier |
May-13-05 02:11 PM |
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You don't think? |
Terran |
May-13-05 03:38 PM |
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I only omitted them because the topic is slavery. |
UdoKier |
May-13-05 03:57 PM |
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"An atrocity is an atrocity" |
Terran |
May-13-05 04:09 PM |
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the topic the OP posed was about BLACK slavery |
noiretblu |
May-13-05 05:28 PM |
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If you think Native Americans |
XemaSab |
May-13-05 09:24 PM |
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The only people who have a problem with Zinn are reactionaries |
QC |
May-13-05 05:47 PM |
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How many whites are born in the ghetto and oppressed from day 1? |
jeffrey_X |
May-13-05 03:44 PM |
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Have one honor the blacks who fought for the Union in the Civil War |
ArtVandaley |
May-13-05 01:35 PM |
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Or if you want to watch freepers and racists heads explode |
MadHound |
May-13-05 01:38 PM |
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you mean like this one? |
northzax |
May-16-05 11:18 AM |
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There should be a monument |
Divameow77 |
May-13-05 01:41 PM |
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Hear hear! |
MadHound |
May-13-05 01:42 PM |
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Then just make it... |
misanthrope |
May-13-05 02:43 PM |
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Yes slavery is a horrible institution |
Jara sang |
May-13-05 03:33 PM |
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Sorry. Killers are much more popular than builders. |
Tierra_y_Libertad |
May-13-05 01:55 PM |
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A monument to the Native Americans (my ancestors)... |
Zhade |
May-13-05 03:14 PM |
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Indeed, a monument and a whole lot more. n/t |
Jara sang |
May-13-05 03:30 PM |
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Yeah, like decent living conditions for one. |
Zhade |
May-13-05 03:44 PM |
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I've driven through Pine Ridge and the Navajo Nation. |
Jara sang |
May-14-05 09:19 PM |
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Love the idea of the statue straddling the Potomac |
wildeyed |
May-13-05 03:30 PM |
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It is the Capitol dome actually. |
Jara sang |
May-13-05 03:31 PM |
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I like the bridge image of bringing together, |
wildeyed |
May-13-05 05:00 PM |
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There is no monument to slavery on the mall? Wow! I can't believe |
applegrove |
May-13-05 03:34 PM |
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No, but there is a MLK plaque on the mall |
ultraist |
May-13-05 05:59 PM |
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Wow! That is really harsh. Wonder why Rice doesn't get on that right |
applegrove |
May-14-05 04:58 PM |
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This is a great idea |
KT2000 |
May-13-05 03:35 PM |
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I'm all for the idea, but it will never happen |
DeaconBlues |
May-13-05 03:36 PM |
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We have a Holocaust museum (?!?!) but our own atrocities go unnoticed |
DerekG |
May-13-05 03:42 PM |
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i was going to try to tie into the Native American holocaust in this post. |
Jara sang |
May-13-05 05:03 PM |
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Now that is a great idea. |
Ellen Forradalom |
May-13-05 03:44 PM |
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This is a great idea! |
jeffrey_X |
May-13-05 03:46 PM |
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Excellent idea! Who's going to get this going? |
funflower |
May-13-05 03:50 PM |
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I totally agree |
DemBeans |
May-13-05 04:13 PM |
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I whole heartedly agree! |
William Bloode |
May-13-05 04:44 PM |
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fuck a monument...it would never happen anyway |
noiretblu |
May-13-05 05:09 PM |
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And as well the american indians |
sweetheart |
May-13-05 05:11 PM |
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i have to agree, sweetheart |
noiretblu |
May-13-05 05:18 PM |
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to those bringing up indians, chinese, and indentured servants |
noiretblu |
May-13-05 05:23 PM |
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reparations for injustice as a form of justice |
sweetheart |
May-13-05 05:33 PM |
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sweetheart, thanks for replying |
noiretblu |
May-13-05 05:44 PM |
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Long term problems require strategic measures |
sweetheart |
May-13-05 05:56 PM |
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I didn't bring up those subjects, but I'll take a stab at this one. |
QC |
May-13-05 09:50 PM |
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thanks for your response, QC |
noiretblu |
May-14-05 04:10 PM |
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Where should it be erected? |
eleny |
May-13-05 05:40 PM |
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How about a giant statue of Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. |
Swamp Rat |
May-13-05 06:00 PM |
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There's a VERY large |
XemaSab |
May-13-05 09:32 PM |
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Not big enough! |
Swamp Rat |
May-14-05 02:04 AM |
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May-13-05 06:26 PM |
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interesting belief |
noiretblu |
May-13-05 06:40 PM |
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May-13-05 08:03 PM |
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You implied slaves did not contribute economically |
ultraist |
May-13-05 08:09 PM |
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May-13-05 08:18 PM |
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No, the bolding in the middle |
Tomee450 |
May-13-05 08:53 PM |
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You see what you want to see |
Tomee450 |
May-13-05 09:07 PM |
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May-13-05 09:14 PM |
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You are woefully ignorant of the facts. |
Jara sang |
May-13-05 09:15 PM |
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May-13-05 09:24 PM |
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Do you believe the killing of Native Americans was genocide? n/t |
Jara sang |
May-13-05 09:30 PM |
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"Farming requires no skills" |
QC |
May-13-05 10:01 PM |
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Yes, 2 million Africans died during the Middle passage alone! |
ultraist |
May-13-05 09:31 PM |
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Agreed, it is a hard habit to break. |
Jara sang |
May-13-05 09:38 PM |
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Yup. |
youthere |
May-13-05 06:28 PM |
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There is a beautiful Civil Rights Monument in Montgomery, AL |
peacebaby3 |
May-13-05 08:10 PM |
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SPLC is a great organization! n/t |
Pushed To The Left |
May-13-05 09:11 PM |
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I would like to walk the Selma to Montgomery trail |
Jara sang |
May-13-05 09:17 PM |
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I have with President Clinton. |
peacebaby3 |
May-14-05 07:49 AM |
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Clinton made his magnificent "son of the south" speech on the bridge |
oasis |
May-14-05 01:16 PM |
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Awesome post! Kick! |
journalist3072 |
May-13-05 09:02 PM |
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There is one in Savannah, GA |
alphafemale |
May-13-05 09:37 PM |
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Hey, I' a monument artist w/20 years' experience... |
spacelady |
May-13-05 10:06 PM |
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i think it's a great idea and would love to see your vision... |
NuttyFluffers |
May-14-05 02:03 AM |
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John Biggers |
ultraist |
May-14-05 11:40 AM |
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There should be...and they should be replace every confederate |
izzybeans |
May-13-05 10:19 PM |
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Absolutely! |
laura888 |
May-14-05 08:00 AM |
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YES! An absolutely terrific idea! |
tom_paine |
May-14-05 08:08 AM |
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If you really want a monument, how about slaves? |
sweetheart |
May-14-05 12:11 PM |
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There certainly should be. |
neweurope |
May-14-05 01:11 PM |
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HERE IS ONE!!!!! |
Notorious Bohemian |
May-14-05 01:17 PM |
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I think that is a great idea |
Book Lover |
May-14-05 04:06 PM |
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I really like the 'Colossus' idea, great post n/t |
entanglement |
May-14-05 05:58 PM |
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I'll tell ya something else - MLK should be on currency of some sort |
HEyHEY |
May-14-05 10:00 PM |
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I disagree |
northzax |
May-16-05 11:11 AM |
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A wonderful idea- unfortunately, a thread that went out of control |
Kerrytravelers |
May-16-05 11:19 AM |
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Good Idea |
BronxBoy |
May-16-05 12:17 PM |
#193 |