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44. I spent the summer of 1978 as a volunteer in Central African Empire
Its a landlocked country on the equator just north of Zaire. I lived in the jungle forest with Americans who had been in the region for decades as missionaries, and they told me that the tribe had been dying off for over 20 years- the population had decreased by something like 70%. They suspected a sexually transmitted disease, but were unaware of any fatal STDS. The infant mortality rate was 40% and few people lived to the age of 50. People have sex with many partners and there is no such thing as 'protection'. The native people eat wild game, including chimpanzees, when they have the chance.

There were so many diseases there and the level of health care available was so low it would have been pretty hard for something like AIDS to stand out. But as soon as I heard about AIDS and the possible origins in Central Africa, it all made sense.
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  -AIDS: Man-made plague deliberately spread or naturally occurring virus? prolesunited  May-09-05 08:59 AM   #0 
  - Naturally occurring virus n/t  LostinVA   May-09-05 09:00 AM   #1 
  - I think those callers need therapy. eom  geek tragedy   May-09-05 09:02 AM   #2 
  - Explain Haiti  dutchdemocrat   May-09-05 09:13 AM   #10 
     - I had heard (I may be wrong) that Haiti was a vacation spot at  shrike   May-09-05 09:35 AM   #13 
     - Yes, you heard wrong  SGBL   May-09-05 04:28 PM   #57 
     - Voodoo and bizarre rituals.  spooked911   May-09-05 09:36 AM   #17 
     - Blood rituals are very dangerous social customs  Jose Diablo   May-09-05 10:17 AM   #24 
        - Yes, exactly. I am sure I read at one point that Haitian blood rituals  spooked911   May-09-05 01:20 PM   #50 
           - Not sure I would agree that blood rituals are a factor in high  Jose Diablo   May-09-05 01:39 PM   #52 
     - A horrible lack of basic educational and public health infrastructure.  geek tragedy   May-09-05 09:52 AM   #21 
     - Haiti is not the only country with public health problems  dutchdemocrat   May-09-05 10:22 AM   #26 
        - Then how to explain Haiti  Jose Diablo   May-09-05 10:54 AM   #35 
           - Do Haitians and Dominicans mix freely and willfully?  ContraBass Black   May-09-05 11:49 AM   #43 
     - Africa a testing ground for bio warfare?  Nabia2004   May-09-05 10:18 AM   #25 
        - Testing Ground For Vaccines Involving Monkeys Infected W/AIDS  cryingshame   May-09-05 10:51 AM   #33 
  - Hi prolesunited - You know how dumb the average person is...  slackmaster   May-09-05 09:02 AM   #3 
  - Naturally occurring.  Vash the Stampede   May-09-05 09:02 AM   #4 
  - It is far more profitable to treat a disease than it is to cure it. n/t  kgfnally   May-09-05 10:42 AM   #30 
     - Yes and no.  Vash the Stampede   May-09-05 10:53 AM   #34 
  - Accident/Mistake  Steel City Slim   May-09-05 09:04 AM   #5 
  - I wouldn't either..and I've not only seen this whole 'show' but its  blogbear   May-09-05 09:06 AM   #8 
  - I liked the line: it's the fault of those who have it  Catshrink   May-09-05 09:05 AM   #6 
  - Watched a very interesting documentary on Sundance  Loki   May-09-05 09:06 AM   #7 
  - it's almost certainly a trans-species variant  sui generis   May-09-05 09:08 AM   #9 
  - >eating bush meat  ArkDem   May-09-05 04:14 PM   #56 
  - How in the world could it be man made?  tinrobot   May-09-05 09:20 AM   #11 
  - There is the theory that it was created by the govt ....  meegbear   May-09-05 09:31 AM   #12 
  - I think it's a naturally occurring virus.  Bridget Burke   May-09-05 09:35 AM   #14 
  - I think its naturally occurring  Jose Diablo   May-09-05 09:35 AM   #15 
  - Xenophobia may not be a 'bad' thing  Jose Diablo   May-09-05 10:05 AM   #23 
     - I Would Disagree  RobinA   May-09-05 10:42 AM   #29 
        - Agree to a point  Jose Diablo   May-09-05 11:43 AM   #41 
  - Naturally occurring n/t  sparosnare   May-09-05 09:36 AM   #16 
  - Not saying there aren't those in government evil enough to do this,  atommom   May-09-05 09:42 AM   #18 
  - Naturally Occurring, BUT...  ck4829   May-09-05 09:43 AM   #19 
  - Yes, good point  Jose Diablo   May-09-05 09:51 AM   #20 
  - As a scientist who works with retroviruses,  spooked911   May-09-05 09:55 AM   #22 
  - Which is One Reason  RobinA   May-09-05 10:45 AM   #31 
  - AIDS is undoubtedly man-made.  dutchdemocrat   May-09-05 10:37 AM   #27 
  - That Is An Interesting Site To Poke Around On, Sir  The Magistrate   May-09-05 11:20 AM   #36 
  - I am willing to believe that HIV was spread inadvertantly by accident  spooked911   May-09-05 01:25 PM   #51 
  - How naive do we want to be, folks...  DARE to HOPE   May-09-05 10:37 AM   #28 
  - Care to elaborate on that one?  prolesunited   May-09-05 10:45 AM   #32 
  - Third choice: Man made plague ACCIDENTALLY spread. n/t  Toucano   May-09-05 11:39 AM   #37 
  - That's possible  there-s a   May-09-05 11:41 AM   #38 
  - you know BOTH answers could be "yes"  amazona   May-09-05 11:41 AM   #39 
  - Well, there on some differences  Nikia   May-09-05 05:09 PM   #60 
  - HIV immunity since 1347AD  KurtNYC   May-09-05 11:42 AM   #40 
  - problem with that  amazona   May-09-05 11:47 AM   #42 
  - I don't think 1347AD is the date of the event conferning immunity to HIV  Jose Diablo   May-09-05 12:26 PM   #47 
  - The paper we read in my moleculear biology class  Nikia   May-09-05 04:58 PM   #59 
  - I spent the summer of 1978 as a volunteer in Central African Empire  undeterred   May-09-05 11:53 AM   #44 
  - Why did it start out only affecting gay white men in NY?  Truth Hurts A Lot   May-09-05 11:55 AM   #45 
  - Actually I don't think it "started out affecting gay white men in NY"  Jose Diablo   May-09-05 01:12 PM   #48 
  - I think it was first identified in Angola  undeterred   May-09-05 01:14 PM   #49 
  - Can you build a better case?  prolesunited   May-09-05 03:27 PM   #53 
  - hepatitis B testing  amazona   May-09-05 03:38 PM   #54 
  - Natural virus  XemaSab   May-09-05 12:06 PM   #46 
  - Here's an EXCELLENT article  tinrobot   May-09-05 03:47 PM   #55 
  - Reading that...  bloom   May-09-05 05:41 PM   #62 
  - Very possible  SGBL   May-09-05 04:30 PM   #58 
  - Link? eom  geek tragedy   May-09-05 05:37 PM   #61 
  - Read this book  BigBearJohn   May-09-05 05:45 PM   #63 
 

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