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310. Tax Guide for Churches and Religious Organizations
Tax Guide for Churches and Religious Organizations

Publication 1828 (Rev. 7-02)

Internal Revenue Service
1111 Constitution Avenue, NW
Washington, DC 20224
Attn: T:EO:CE&O



Political Campaign Activity

Under the Internal Revenue Code, all IRC Section 501(c)(3) organizations, including churches and
religious organizations, are absolutely prohibited from directly or indirectly participating in, or
intervening in, any political campaign on behalf of (or in opposition to) any candidate for elective public
office. Contributions to political campaign funds or public statements of position (verbal or written)
made by or on behalf of the organization in favor of or in opposition to any candidate for public office
clearly violate the prohibition against political campaign activity. Violation of this prohibition may result
in denial or revocation of tax-exempt status and the imposition of certain excise taxes.

Certain activities or expenditures may not be prohibited depending on the facts and circumstances. For
example, certain voter education activities (including the presentation of public forums and the
publication of voter education guides) conducted in a non-partisan manner do not constitute prohibited
political campaign activity. In addition, other activities intended to encourage people to participate in the
electoral process, such as voter registration and get-out-the-vote drives, would not constitute prohibited
political campaign activity if conducted in a non-partisan manner. On the other hand, voter education or
registration activities with evidence of bias that (a) would favor one candidate over another, or (b) oppose
a candidate in some manner, or (c) have the effect of favoring a candidate or group of candidates, will
constitute prohibited participation or intervention.


Individual Activity by Religious Leaders

The political campaign activity prohibition is not intended to restrict free expression on political
matters by leaders of churches or religious organizations speaking for themselves, as individuals.
Nor are leaders prohibited from speaking about important issues of public policy. However, for
their organizations to remain tax-exempt under IRC Section 501(c)(3), religious leaders cannot
make partisan comments in official organization publications or at official church functions. To
avoid potential attribution of their comments outside of church functions and publications,
religious leaders who speak or write in their individual capacity are encouraged to clearly indicate
that their comments are personal and not intended to represent the views of the organization.

The following are examples of situations involving endorsements by religious leaders.

Example 1: Minister A is the minister of Church J and is well
known in the community. With their permission, Candidate T
publishes a full-page ad in the local newspaper listing five
prominent ministers who have personally endorsed Candidate T,
including Minister A. Minister A is identified in the ad as the
minister of Church J. The ad states, Titles and affiliations of
each individual are provided for identification purposes only.
The ad is paid for by Candidate Ts campaign committee. Since
the ad was not paid for by Church J, the ad is not otherwise in an
official publication of Church J, and the endorsement is made by
Minister A in a personal capacity, the ad does not constitute
campaign intervention by Church J.

Example 2: Minister B is the minister of Church K. Church K
publishes a monthly church newsletter that is distributed to all
church members. In each issue, Minister B has a column titled
"My Views." The month before the election, Minister B states in
the "My Views" column, "It is my personal opinion that
Candidate U should be reelected." For that one issue, Minister B
pays from his personal funds the portion of the cost of the
newsletter attributable to the My Views column. Even though
he paid part of the cost of the newsletter, the newsletter is an
official publication of the church. Since the endorsement
appeared in an official publication of Church K, it constitutes
campaign intervention attributed to Church K.

Example 3: Minister C is the minister of Church L and is well
known in the community. Three weeks before the election he
attends a press conference at Candidate V's campaign
headquarters and states that Candidate V should be reelected.
Minister C does not say he is speaking on behalf of his church.
His endorsement is reported on the front page of the local


newspaper and he is identified in the article as the minister of
Church L. Since Minister C did not make the endorsement at an
official church function, in an official church publication or
otherwise use the church's assets, and did not state that he was
speaking as a representative of Church L, his actions did not
constitute campaign intervention attributable to Church L.

Example 4: Minister D is the minister of Church M. During
regular services of Church M shortly before the election,
Minister D preached on a number of issues, including the
importance of voting in the upcoming election, and concludes by
stating, It is important that you all do your duty in the election
and vote for Candidate W. Since Minister Ds remarks
indicating support for Candidate W were made during an official
church service, they constitute political campaign intervention
attributable to Church M.

Inviting a Candidate to Speak

Depending on the facts and circumstances, a church or religious organization may invite political
candidates to speak at its events without jeopardizing its tax-exempt status. Political candidates
may be invited in their capacity as candidates, or individually (not as a candidate).

Speaking as a candidate. Like any other IRC Section 501(c)(3) organization, when a
candidate is invited to speak at a church or religious organization event as a political
candidate, the church or religious organization must take steps to ensure that:
It provides an equal opportunity to the political candidates seeking the same
It does not indicate any support of or opposition to the candidate (this should be
stated explicitly when the candidate is introduced and in communications
concerning the candidates attendance), and
No political fundraising occurs.

Equal opportunity to participate. Like any other IRC Section 501(c)(3)
organization, in determining whether candidates are given an equal opportunity to
participate, a church or religious organization should consider the nature of the event
to which each candidate is invited, in addition to the manner of presentation. For
example, a church or religious organization that invites one candidate to speak at its
well attended annual banquet, but invites the opposing candidate to speak at a
sparsely attended general meeting, will likely be found to have violated the political
campaign prohibition, even if the manner of presentation for both speakers is
otherwise neutral.

Public Forum. Sometimes a church or religious organization invites several
candidates to speak at a public forum. A public forum involving several candidates
for public office may qualify as an exempt educational activity. However, if the
forum is operated to show a bias for or against any candidate, then the forum would
be prohibited campaign activity, as it would be considered intervention or
participation in a political campaign. When an organization invites several
candidates to speak at a forum, it should consider the following factors:


Whether questions for the candidate are prepared and presented by an
independent nonpartisan panel,
Whether the topics discussed by the candidates cover a broad range of issues
that the candidates would address if elected to the office sought and are of
interest to the public,
Whether each candidate is given an equal opportunity to present his or her
views on the issues discussed,
Whether the candidates are asked to agree or disagree with positions,
agendas, platforms or statements of the organization, and
Whether a moderator comments on the questions or otherwise implies
approval or disapproval of the candidates.

The following are two examples of situations where a church or religious organization
invites a candidate(s) to speak before the congregation.

Example 5: Minister E is the minister of Church N. In the
month prior to the election, Minister E invited the three
Congressional candidates for the district in which Church N is
located to address the congregation, one each on three successive
Sundays, as part of regular worship services. Each candidate
was given an equal opportunity to address and field questions on
a wide variety of topics from the congregation. Minister Es
introduction of each candidate included no comments on their
qualifications or any indication of a preference for any candidate.
The actions do not constitute political campaign intervention by
Church N.

Example 6: Minister F is the minister of Church O. The Sunday
before the November election, Minister F invited Senate
Candidate X to preach to her congregation during worship
services. During his remarks, Candidate X stated, I am asking
not only for your votes, but for your enthusiasm and dedication,
for your willingness to go the extra mile to get a very large
turnout on Tuesday. Minister F invited no other candidate to
address her congregation during the Senatorial campaign.
Because these activities took place during official church
services they are attributed to Church O. By selectively
providing church facilities to allow Candidate X to speak in
support of his campaign, Church Os actions constitute political
campaign intervention.


Speaking as a non-candidate. Like any other IRC Section 501(c)(3) organization, a
church or religious organization may invite political candidates (including church
members) to speak in a non-candidate capacity. For instance, a political candidate may
be a public figure because he or she: (a) currently holds, or formerly held, public office,
(b) is considered an expert in a non-political field, or (c) is a celebrity or has led a
distinguished military, legal, or public service career. When a candidate is invited to
speak at an event in a non-candidate capacity, it is not necessary for the church or
religious organization to provide equal access to all political candidates. However, the
church or religious organization must ensure that:
The individual speaks only in a non-candidate capacity,
Neither the individual nor any representative of the church makes any
mention of his or her candidacy or the election, and
No campaign activity occurs in connection with the candidate's attendance.

In addition, the church or religious organization should clearly indicate the capacity in
which the candidate is appearing and should not mention the individual's political
candidacy or the upcoming election in the communications announcing the candidate's
attendance at the event.

Below are examples of situations where a public official appears at a church or religious
organization in an official capacity, and not as a candidate.

Example 7: Church P is located in the state capital. Minister G
customarily acknowledges the presence of any public officials
present during services. During the state gubernatorial race,
Lieutenant Governor Y, a candidate, attended a Wednesday
evening prayer service in the church. Minister G acknowledged
the Lieutenant Governors presence in his customary manner,
saying, We are happy to have worshiping with us this evening
Lieutenant Governor Y. Minister G made no reference in his
welcome to the Lieutenant Governors candidacy or the election.
Minister Gs actions do not constitute political campaign
intervention by Church P.

Example 8: Minister H is the minister of Church Q. Church Q
is building a community center. Minister H invites
Congressman Z, the representative for the district containing
Church Q, to attend the groundbreaking ceremony for the
community center. Congressman Z is running for reelection at
the time. Minister H makes no reference in her introduction to
Congressman Zs candidacy or the election. Congressman Z
also makes no reference to his candidacy or the election and does
not do any fundraising while at Church Q. Church Q has not
intervened in a political campaign.

Voter Guides

Like other IRC Section 501(c)(3) organizations, some churches and religious organizations
undertake voter education activities by distributing voter guides. Voter guides, generally, are
distributed during an election campaign and provide information on how all candidates stand on


various issues. These guides may be distributed with the purpose of educating voters, however,
they may not be used to attempt to favor or oppose candidates for public elected office.

A careful review of the following facts and circumstances may help determine whether or not a
church or religious organizations publication or distribution of voter guides constitute prohibited
political campaign activity.
Whether the candidates positions are compared to the organizations position,
Whether the guide includes a broad range of issues that the candidates would address
if elected to the office sought,
Whether the description of issues is neutral,
Whether all candidates for an office are included, and
Whether the descriptions of candidates positions are either:
o The candidates own words in response to questions, or
o A neutral, unbiased and complete compilation of all candidates positions.

The following are examples of situations where churches distribute voter guides.

Example 9: Church R distributes a voter guide prior to
elections. The voter guide consists of a brief statement from the
candidates on each issue made in response to a questionnaire
sent to all candidates for governor of State I. The issues on the
questionnaire cover a wide variety of topics and were selected by
Church R based solely on their importance and interest to the
electorate as a whole. Neither the questionnaire nor the voter
guide, through their content or structure, indicate a bias or
preference for any candidate or group of candidates. Church R is
not participating or intervening in a political campaign.

Example 10: Church S distributes a voter guide during an
election campaign. The voter guide is prepared using the
responses of candidates to a questionnaire sent to candidates for
major public offices. Although the questionnaire covers a wide
range of topics, the wording of the questions evidences a bias on
certain issues. By using a questionnaire structured in this way,
Church S is participating or intervening in a political campaign. ...

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  - It certainly should!  ComerPerro   May-05-05 06:58 PM   #29 
  - I agree  FreedomAngel82   May-05-05 07:11 PM   #42 
     - I don't know. I am thinking you could report it as tax fruad  ComerPerro   May-05-05 07:13 PM   #45 
        - I was thinking  proud2Blib   May-06-05 09:20 AM   #384 
           - LOL  ComerPerro   May-06-05 12:09 PM   #456 
              - I posted this article  proud2Blib   May-06-05 02:45 PM   #506 
                 - Ha ha!  ComerPerro   May-06-05 02:51 PM   #509 
                    - The first idiot freeper just replied  proud2Blib   May-06-05 03:36 PM   #523 
  - One way of contating the IRS  Tux   May-05-05 07:15 PM   #46 
     - DONE  trogdor   May-06-05 08:27 AM   #354 
     - DONE: and here's the letter:  chomskysright   May-06-05 11:54 AM   #451 
        - My post to the IRS  Joebert   May-07-05 12:52 PM   #588 
     - To Report Federal Tax Fraud....  ClintonTyree   May-06-05 11:39 AM   # 
  - This is so sad.  SalmonChantedEvening   May-05-05 06:56 PM   #26 
  - Getting a little out of control, I would say  Malva Zebrina   May-05-05 06:57 PM   #27 
  - The church has no web site  kliljedahl   May-05-05 06:57 PM   #28 
  - I like your Keith's Barbeque Central site....  ClintonTyree   May-06-05 11:45 AM   #443 
  - Never competed, just judged  kliljedahl   May-06-05 01:30 PM   #491 
  - It has no web site, but I now own the domain name...  ClintonTyree   May-06-05 03:35 PM   #522 
     - Could have some fun with that  kliljedahl   May-07-05 06:14 AM   #574 
  - Judge not, least ye be judged too.  Botany   May-05-05 06:59 PM   #32 
  - And they have the audacity to say that Dems are out of touch with faith  ComerPerro   May-05-05 07:00 PM   #33 
  - dupe  proud2Blib   May-05-05 08:38 PM   #129 
  - Hey Comer  proud2Blib   May-05-05 08:45 PM   #139 
  - Why does that site make me think of Landover Baptist?  ComerPerro   May-06-05 12:07 AM   #288 
     - That guy is so baaaad  proud2Blib   May-06-05 08:35 AM   #360 
  - "The church rejected them." Exactly. Let's hope He really does have  blondeatlast   May-06-05 07:21 AM   #317 
  - Take this, if true, and study it with this little gem from Dickie the C--  blondeatlast   May-05-05 07:01 PM   #34 
  - Yep, this religious reich researcher picked that up.  Maat   May-06-05 11:14 AM   #430 
  - This is disgusting  FreedomAngel82   May-05-05 07:03 PM   #35 
  - maybe that's what Rove meant when he said there was an 'invisible  KaliTracy   May-05-05 07:08 PM   #38 
     - It is not invisible at all in Ohio- It is called the Restoration Project  mtnester   May-08-05 06:08 AM   #601 
  - You will goose step like us or you won't goose step at all!!  driver8   May-05-05 07:06 PM   #37 
  - It won't be a D - most D's aren't registered as D's  MadisonProgressive   May-06-05 12:10 PM   #457 
  - wow...just wow  Zodiak Ironfist   May-05-05 07:09 PM   #39 
  - Actually, the Southern Baptists were formed in the antebellum period...  mitchum   May-05-05 10:57 PM   #252 
  - Somehow, I'm not as disturbed as I should be.  entanglement   May-05-05 07:09 PM   #40 
  - I'm not outraged at all--I'm delighted!  Raksha   May-05-05 07:38 PM   #67 
  - Link to the TV station--no mention yet.  blondeatlast   May-05-05 07:10 PM   #41 
  - Is there  FreedomAngel82   May-05-05 07:17 PM   #48 
  - Nowhere, not a one.  blondeatlast   May-05-05 07:19 PM   #51 
  - I'm thinking if it was a "breaking news" thing that it will be on the  libnnc   May-05-05 07:26 PM   #58 
  - It's on their site now. Here it is  Norquist Nemesis   May-06-05 09:20 AM   #385 
  - This is the real thing  Spiffarino   May-05-05 08:18 PM   #108 
  - That is really unbelievable!  Shell Beau   May-05-05 07:12 PM   #43 
  - It's not like a cult: it is a cult  indepat   May-05-05 07:13 PM   #44 
  - March of the Pigs  cssmall   May-05-05 07:16 PM   #47 
  - That is soooo fkn creepy.  HeeBGBz   May-05-05 07:18 PM   #50 
  - with all of the posibilities of at least ONE person in this Administration  KaliTracy   May-05-05 07:21 PM   #52 
  - This should get MAJOR media coverage!  Blue-Jay   May-05-05 07:22 PM   #53 
  - BLAST this information TO the media! Don't forget NPR, too! They may  KaliTracy   May-06-05 12:10 AM   #289 
  - Well  Tux   May-06-05 02:03 AM   #306 
  - there goes that tax exempt status n/t  SangamonTaylor   May-05-05 07:23 PM   #55 
  - Calling All Asheville Area DUers!!  libnnc   May-05-05 07:23 PM   #56 
  - my girlfriend confirms the story  SheepyMcSheepster   May-05-05 07:53 PM   #81 
  - Thanks--please keep us informed. Libnnc called the station  blondeatlast   May-05-05 08:02 PM   #92 
  - Faith based charities...  ClintonTyree   May-06-05 11:55 AM   #452 
     - Well, I'd hate to think that some far-left nutjob might try to  MadisonProgressive   May-06-05 12:18 PM   #460 
  - Thanks for the confirmation.  Pirate Smile   May-05-05 08:05 PM   #95 
  - I'll be checking in as soon as I hear anything. n/t  Spiffarino   May-05-05 08:19 PM   #110 
  - we're here baby: and ready to step up to the plate:  chomskysright   May-06-05 11:59 AM   #454 
  - Tax the Fuckers---they are no longer a religion. n/t  DemocracyInaction   May-05-05 07:24 PM   #57 
  - Exactly!  lady lib   May-05-05 10:54 PM   #250 
  - ummmmmm.....sounds more like a political orgnaization than a chruch  paineinthearse   May-05-05 07:27 PM   #60 
  - Is there some way they can lose their tax-exempt status?  Raksha   May-05-05 07:29 PM   #61 
  - The church should change its name then  Chovexani   May-05-05 07:30 PM   #62 
  - Be the first to comment on this church  paineinthearse   May-05-05 07:33 PM   #64 
  - Please--let's just get confirmation of this first.  blondeatlast   May-05-05 07:35 PM   #65 
  - You're right. Wait for confirmation - nothing on WLOS yet.  paineinthearse   May-05-05 07:38 PM   #66 
  - WE HAVE CONFIRMATION:  chomskysright   May-06-05 12:33 PM   #466 
  - Agreed. I should have confirmed this before posting  libnnc   May-05-05 07:41 PM   #68 
  - Confirmed  Spiffarino   May-05-05 08:23 PM   #114 
     - This is why Chimp won the election, preacher nut jobs like this one.  sarcasmo   May-06-05 08:06 AM   #341 
        - I hate to sound like a broken record  impeachthescoundrel   May-06-05 03:10 PM   #517 
  - There's a comment there now  Roland99   May-05-05 09:29 PM   #181 
  - Someone's purging the comments!  Roland99   May-05-05 11:36 PM   #274 
  - oops  InfoMinister   May-05-05 10:33 PM   #231 
  - Good comment by Chan Chandler  MadisonProgressive   May-06-05 12:21 PM   #461 
  - What would be the newspaper for this area?  Pirate Smile   May-05-05 07:41 PM   #69 
  - Asheville Citizen-Times  libnnc   May-05-05 07:45 PM   #72 
  - isn't Asheville a big new ager town? n/t  burn the bush   May-05-05 07:50 PM   #77 
  - It's pretty bohemian  Chovexani   May-05-05 08:20 PM   #112 
  - Asheville is very liberal  ultraist   May-05-05 08:26 PM   #118 
  - Asheville is Freak Central  Spiffarino   May-05-05 08:25 PM   #117 
     - Asheville is a hip little town  ultraist   May-05-05 08:34 PM   #125 
     - Remember that we voted on Sequoia black boxes.  Spiffarino   May-05-05 08:51 PM   #149 
        - I agree. That is HIGHLY suspicious!  ultraist   May-05-05 09:10 PM   #162 
     - An almost surreal scene last time I visited Asheville.  wildeyed   May-06-05 07:37 AM   #329 
  - I have been to Maggie Valley about 3 times  nytemare   May-06-05 09:21 AM   #387 
  - Link Please...we need to confirm the story, let's not run off like  DearAbby   May-05-05 07:47 PM   #75 
     - i can second hand confirm as well  SheepyMcSheepster   May-05-05 08:01 PM   #90 
        - I heard the WLOS story too n/t  G_j   May-06-05 07:29 AM   #325 
  - wow, this hits close to home  SheepyMcSheepster   May-05-05 07:46 PM   #73 
  - Can you please watch WLOS news tonight?  libnnc   May-05-05 07:51 PM   #80 
     - Just got off the phone with Shelia at WLOS tee-vee  libnnc   May-05-05 07:56 PM   #84 
     - Post in the Lounge for someone to watch.  blondeatlast   May-05-05 08:00 PM   #89 
        - what's that supposed to mean?  libnnc   May-05-05 08:03 PM   #93 
           - Sorry--I meant someone near Asheville.  blondeatlast   May-05-05 08:14 PM   #104 
     - i am going to try  SheepyMcSheepster   May-05-05 08:02 PM   #91 
     - i am going to attempt to record the audio  SheepyMcSheepster   May-05-05 08:23 PM   #113 
     - I can host stuff Sheepy.. will PM you n/t  walldude   May-05-05 09:27 PM   #179 
     - cool, ok  SheepyMcSheepster   May-05-05 09:30 PM   #184 
        - I'll do a copy, too  Spiffarino   May-05-05 09:55 PM   #195 
     - I can host it, but only for a day or two.  Spiffarino   May-05-05 09:30 PM   #182 
     - my hometown  starmaker   May-05-05 08:44 PM   #138 
        - my hometown too  libnnc   May-05-05 08:50 PM   #147 
        - class of 74 honary member  starmaker   May-05-05 10:07 PM   #203 
        - I used to live there  racaulk   May-06-05 08:55 AM   #372 
  - Guess who owns WLOS TV?  paineinthearse   May-05-05 07:47 PM   #74 
  - Holy schist. Why am I not surprised?  blondeatlast   May-05-05 07:51 PM   #79 
  - yep, it's a sinclair station  SheepyMcSheepster   May-05-05 07:59 PM   #86 
  - No they don't  Yellow_Dog   May-06-05 12:21 AM   #294 
     - i know someone who used to work there  SheepyMcSheepster   May-06-05 09:21 AM   #386 
  - WLOS-TV contact information  paineinthearse   May-05-05 08:12 PM   #101 
  - If true, look to this to take a fast track to SCOTUS. This is BIG.  blondeatlast   May-05-05 07:50 PM   #76 
  - That's a good point.  Chovexani   May-05-05 08:24 PM   #116 
  - What you say makes sense.  lostnfound   May-06-05 02:28 AM   #307 
     - No, not off track. With the smooth machinations of the Heritage Foundation  blondeatlast   May-06-05 07:29 AM   #324 
  - Damn it I can't stand this I'm calling WLOS  libnnc   May-05-05 07:51 PM   #78 
  - If true,  mmonk   May-05-05 07:54 PM   #82 
  - Or a HUGE set-up. See my post 76, above. nt  blondeatlast   May-05-05 07:56 PM   #83 
     - I know, I know...I just got off the phone with the station  libnnc   May-05-05 08:00 PM   #88 
        - I contacted by email some reporters  mmonk   May-05-05 08:04 PM   #94 
           - Damn, we evilDUers are scheming little nice people, aren't we?!  blondeatlast   May-05-05 08:07 PM   #97 
              - the devil made me do it?  mmonk   May-05-05 08:15 PM   #105 
  - Time for Taxes East Waynesville Baptist Church. Ante up.  spanone   May-05-05 07:58 PM   #85 
  - I sent them a very respectful email.  Blue-Jay   May-05-05 07:59 PM   #87 
  - Unreal. America is a very sick country.  Solly Mack   May-05-05 08:07 PM   #96 
  - How very Christian of them.  LibInTexas   May-05-05 08:10 PM   #99 
  - Why didn't I think of this?  libnnc   May-05-05 08:12 PM   #100 
  - The station did run this story on evening news and will rerun at 11 pm  wishlist   May-05-05 08:12 PM   #102 
  - This bears VERY close observation.  blondeatlast   May-05-05 08:17 PM   #107 
     - Agree we need some major confirmation and it would be really odd  havocmom   May-05-05 08:41 PM   #131 
     - Well, you are correct that this is a campaign of theirs.  Maat   May-06-05 11:48 AM   #449 
     - As a tax lawyer  ElaineinIN   May-06-05 01:47 PM   #494 
     - Would there really be a court case?  tapper   May-05-05 10:46 PM   #244 
        - Excommunication based strictly on political party identification...  blondeatlast   May-06-05 07:32 AM   #326 
        - Read up on the Heritage Foundation or David Brock's "The Republican  blondeatlast   May-06-05 08:22 AM   #352 
  - Maybe they didn't have enough rattlesnakes for everybody.  tabasco   May-05-05 08:17 PM   #106 
  - No Shit? This Is Absolutely Illegal. This Is Not A Gray Area.  cryingshame   May-05-05 08:19 PM   #109 
  - "excommunicated" sounds awfully Catholic for a bunch of Baptists  undeterred   May-05-05 08:20 PM   #111 
  - Baptists don't "excommunicate" they "cast out."  ultraist   May-05-05 08:24 PM   #115 
     - Kind of like "casting out" demons  undeterred   May-05-05 08:38 PM   #128 
  - well, well...don't they just own God's Little Acre  DemBeans   May-05-05 08:26 PM   #119 
  - You know what's really scary?  buddyhollysghost   May-05-05 09:12 PM   #165 
  - sadly, that doesn't surprise me either  fishwax   May-06-05 11:16 AM   #431 
  - It's good to know that they want to be away from "us"  DemonFighterLives   May-07-05 08:00 AM   #578 
  - that's right: FRISTIANS ARE NOT CHRISTIAN  chomskysright   May-07-05 08:06 PM   #594 
  - Okay people I just got off the phone with my mom  libnnc   May-05-05 08:27 PM   #120 
  - ewww...  ultraist   May-05-05 08:41 PM   #132 
  - probably all white...  libnnc   May-05-05 08:43 PM   #137 
  - Ewwwwwwww..................  tavalon   May-06-05 08:20 AM   #351 
  - Weird. We had a Chan Chandler at our H.S. too.....  Callous Taoboys   May-06-05 02:32 PM   #504 
  - How could there have been any Dems to begin with?  rockymountaindem   May-05-05 08:29 PM   #121 
  - When I was growing up in the Southern Baptist Church  tavalon   May-06-05 08:24 AM   #353 
     - When I was growing up in the SBC...  Ronnie   May-06-05 03:40 PM   #524 
  - This is a no-shitter, folks  Spiffarino   May-05-05 08:29 PM   #122 
  - How far is Waynesville from Asheville? Is it in Buncombe county?  ultraist   May-05-05 08:39 PM   #130 
     - Beautiful downtown Waynesville is located approx  libnnc   May-05-05 08:41 PM   #133 
     - Oooooh...that's why an entire congregation would support this  ultraist   May-05-05 08:43 PM   #136 
     - Waynesville is in Haywood Co.  Spiffarino   May-05-05 08:46 PM   #142 
     - Haywood co. 30 miles west  starmaker   May-05-05 08:49 PM   #144 
     - I went to college in western NC and used to live in Asheville  racaulk   May-06-05 08:50 AM   #369 
  - Here's their phone number again 828 456 6841  NormaR   May-05-05 08:29 PM   #123 
  - VOTE THIS UP!  Spiffarino   May-05-05 08:35 PM   #126 
  - Fundies suck  PowerToThePeople   May-05-05 08:42 PM   #134 
  - That's fucking sick  Spiffarino   May-05-05 08:50 PM   #145 
     - It was overboard huh?  PowerToThePeople   May-05-05 08:54 PM   #153 
        - I liked it  mmonk   May-05-05 09:09 PM   #161 
        - I agree with your sentiment but  Spiffarino   May-05-05 09:20 PM   #173 
           - No, you would only burn it when nobody was in it - it's cool.  MadisonProgressive   May-06-05 12:34 PM   #467 
  - I sent this to ACLU of North Carolina  NormaR   May-05-05 08:42 PM   #135 
  - excellent!  ultraist   May-05-05 08:45 PM   #140 
     - Letter to Editor at Citizen-Times, Ashevill:  chomskysright   May-06-05 12:28 PM   #462 
        - citizen times newspaper, Asheville (Waynesville is next city over):  chomskysright   May-06-05 12:32 PM   #464 
  - I know I went to high school with this "preacher"  libnnc   May-05-05 08:45 PM   #141 
  - Try n/t  satya   May-05-05 08:50 PM   #146 
  - I've posted it at DailyKos  georgia10   May-05-05 08:51 PM   #148 
  - Nice work!  ultraist   May-05-05 09:04 PM   #158 
  - thank you thank you thank you  libnnc   May-05-05 09:22 PM   #175 
  - Did I mention there was a culture war going on?  Az   May-05-05 08:52 PM   #150 
  - The red god vs the blue god  DanCa   May-05-05 08:55 PM   #154 
     - How about this one:  BullGooseLoony   May-06-05 12:18 AM   #292 
        - The only giggle possible in this thread. Thanks! nt  blondeatlast   May-06-05 07:36 AM   #327 
  - Isn't this illegal?  Kipepeo   May-05-05 08:53 PM   #151 
  - 60 Minutes might be interested in this. And the IRS.  seafan   May-05-05 08:53 PM   #152 
  - KO, are you reading this? Corporate media, get your scoop yet?  paineinthearse   May-05-05 09:59 PM   #198 
  - CNN COMMENT LINE: 404 827 1500  chomskysright   May-06-05 12:56 PM   #473 
     - 60 Minutes:  chomskysright   May-06-05 12:56 PM   #474 
        - Thanks, sent last night. n/t  seafan   May-06-05 01:04 PM   #476 
  - And why is this church still enjoying the tax benefits of ...  IowaGuy   May-05-05 09:00 PM   #155 
  - Absolutely unbelievable....religious terrorist  RedEarth   May-05-05 09:01 PM   #156 
  - Are the RW extremists strategically placing operatives in pulpits now? n/t  satya   May-05-05 09:07 PM   #159 
  - Actually, they've been doing it for 20 years or so  tavalon   May-06-05 08:28 AM   #357 
  - Is this for real?  qanda   May-05-05 09:08 PM   #160 
  - no on line link  libnnc   May-05-05 09:17 PM   #168 
  - hopefully i will be able to record the audio of the newscast  SheepyMcSheepster   May-05-05 09:22 PM   #174 
     - Check your PM's I can host..  walldude   May-05-05 09:34 PM   #186 
  - Can I just say, from the bottom of my heart to all DUers  libnnc   May-05-05 09:10 PM   #163 
  - Oh my word, child. We adore you for posting this!  buddyhollysghost   May-05-05 09:22 PM   #177 
  - Mom raised you right (er, Left). A big thank you to Mom--and you.  blondeatlast   May-06-05 07:38 AM   #330 
  - thank your mom  yorkiemommie1   May-06-05 10:56 AM   #420 
  - Those freaks who stood up & applauded were then excommunicated by Jesus.  Zen Democrat   May-05-05 09:11 PM   #164 
  - Why is anyone surprised?  bmbmd   May-05-05 09:14 PM   #166 
  - Who gets custody of the snakes?  Vinca   May-05-05 09:16 PM   #167 
  - I dont care about the snakes I want the whine (nt)  DanCa   May-05-05 09:19 PM   #171 
     - Take the snakes. Baptists use apple juice! n/t  seekthetruth   May-06-05 09:14 AM   #380 
        - Not apple juice. Used to be Welch's grape, but switched to grape kool-aid  johnaries   May-06-05 05:38 PM   #541 
  - Once the Dems are gone, watch-they will start fighting each other  NormaR   May-05-05 09:17 PM   #169 
  - On National Prayer Day? This Makes Baby Jesus Cry.  Roland99   May-05-05 09:19 PM   #170 
  - With the Dems goes all of the financial support for that church...  NormaR   May-05-05 09:20 PM   #172 
  - Sounds like anyone with 1/2 a brain would have left already  donheld   May-05-05 09:22 PM   #176 
  - When they pass on they will pass through..  PowerToThePeople   May-05-05 09:25 PM   #178 
  - In the immortal words of Johnny Cash  buddyhollysghost   May-05-05 09:50 PM   #192 
  - The Gates of... Hell ...  marions ghost   May-05-05 10:39 PM   #238 
  - Keith Olberman might like to hear about this......  RedEarth   May-05-05 09:29 PM   #180 
  - good idea  mmonk   May-05-05 09:30 PM   #183 
  - Just e-mailed COUNTDOWN with this (n/t)  derby378   May-06-05 10:01 AM   #403 
  - Those expelled Dems should drive thru the streets blasting Gore's  Samantha   May-05-05 09:32 PM   #185 
  - This is insane, yet somehow I'm  walldude   May-05-05 09:36 PM   #187 
  - Any confirm yet?  Cheney Killed Bambi   May-05-05 09:42 PM   #190 
     - Posts 81, 84, 90 and there's a LiveJournal link now  Roland99   May-05-05 09:46 PM   #191 
  - Jon Stewart would love this for "The Daily Show"  Mich Otter   May-05-05 09:41 PM   #189 
  - Wouldn'y you love to see  sharman   May-06-05 12:27 AM   #296 
  - That would be wonderful!  sarahlee   May-06-05 12:49 AM   #302 
  - This would be good for the "God Machine".  Done   May-06-05 09:29 AM   #391 
  - Cheerleaders for Jesus!  94114_San_Francisco   May-05-05 09:53 PM   #194 
  - LOL  Misunderestimator   May-05-05 11:11 PM   #259 
  - Okay, giggle in this thread #2. Well-needed, too. Thanks. nt  blondeatlast   May-06-05 07:42 AM   #331 
  - Their tax-exempt status should be eliminated immediately  Nothing Without Hope   May-05-05 09:56 PM   #196 
  - Asheville area DUers tune in to News 13 WLOS NOW!  libnnc   May-05-05 10:00 PM   #199 
  - We're gonna need a new thread soon  Roland99   May-05-05 10:01 PM   #200 
  - Asheville area DUers tune in to News 13 NOW  libnnc   May-05-05 10:01 PM   #201 
  - Anyway Anyone Can Record It  InfoMinister   May-05-05 10:08 PM   #204 
  - Sounds like 9 members xed  starmaker   May-05-05 10:12 PM   #207 
     - Thanks starmaker!  Pirate Smile   May-05-05 10:53 PM   #247 
     - Interesting, since Kerry was NOT for gay marriage and...  Dawgs   May-06-05 07:37 AM   #328 
     - The forty who left in protest  tavalon   May-06-05 08:34 AM   #359 
  - Freaked out? I've been freaked out by fundie wierdness for years  lectrobyte   May-05-05 10:03 PM   #202 
  - LINK  Spiffarino   May-05-05 10:08 PM   #205 
  - heh heh  mmonk   May-05-05 10:12 PM   #206 
  - Then why weren't Republicans kicked out?  Roland99   May-05-05 10:13 PM   #208 
     - Exactly  FreedomAngel82   May-05-05 11:51 PM   #281 
     - Why wasn't the question asked "do you support abortion and/or gay rights?"  blondeatlast   May-06-05 07:48 AM   #334 
  - I'm dying to steal that icon. ROTFLMAO.  mzmolly   May-05-05 10:15 PM   #213 
  - Really?  Spiffarino   May-05-05 10:25 PM   #220 
  - Thanks for that link  amerikat   May-05-05 10:16 PM   #214 
  - Thanks for catching this  nothingshocksmeanymore   May-05-05 10:20 PM   #217 
  - holy moley ...That confirms it for me  proud patriot   May-05-05 10:27 PM   #223 
  - it is somewhat encouraging that ...  jg82567   May-05-05 10:32 PM   #230 
  - One of My Friends Decided To Post Your Link On Milkandcookies  InfoMinister   May-05-05 10:37 PM   #236 
  - Thanks for linking that, Spiffarino. I posted this in the NC forum...  dicksteele   May-05-05 10:50 PM   #245 
  - What the hell country is this anyway?  Veganistan   May-05-05 10:53 PM   #248 
  - Mike Malloy Just mentioned the News report  proud patriot   May-05-05 11:35 PM   #273 
  - Er....  Tux   May-05-05 11:46 PM   #278 
     - I don't know  Spiffarino   May-05-05 11:53 PM   #284 
     - Done, but not the best  Spiffarino   May-06-05 12:11 AM   #290 
     - Thanks  Tux   May-06-05 12:28 AM   #297 
     - Yo, right here.  americanstranger   May-06-05 07:22 AM   #319 
  - ok, i have got an audio recording of the 11pm broadcast  SheepyMcSheepster   May-05-05 10:13 PM   #209 
  - Who's the DUer?  Spiffarino   May-05-05 10:31 PM   #229 
     - bpilgrim I believe  proud patriot   May-05-05 10:34 PM   #232 
     - Thanks PP!  Spiffarino   May-05-05 10:54 PM   #249 
     - check PM. eom  SheepyMcSheepster   May-06-05 12:47 AM   #301 
  - They'll need to expell the teachings of Jesus, too  Lorien   May-05-05 10:14 PM   #210 
  - Over 40 members of church have left due to anti-Dem position of church  wishlist   May-05-05 10:15 PM   #212 
  - Those 40 that walked out in protest are my kind of republicans.  cat_girl25   May-05-05 10:25 PM   #221 
  - ....."the church's stance was not politically motivated. :....".  jus_the_facts   May-05-05 10:44 PM   #243 
  - We can't let this get spun out. There is simply no way that the good rever  blondeatlast   May-06-05 07:54 AM   #337 
  - UGH!  tavalon   May-06-05 08:42 AM   #363 
  - Please let me know when there is a web video or transcript?  GreenPartyVoter   May-05-05 10:18 PM   #215 
  - here  SheepyMcSheepster   May-05-05 10:18 PM   #216 
     - Send this to Bill Maher  alfredo   May-05-05 10:35 PM   #233 
     - Um, wow.  Bouncy Ball   May-05-05 10:39 PM   #237 
  - My local ABC station has run this story!!! Sinclair affiliates both  libnnc   May-05-05 10:21 PM   #218 
  - Oh really?  cat_girl25   May-05-05 10:27 PM   #222 
     - good! He was kind of distant as I remember  libnnc   May-05-05 10:30 PM   #226 
        - Probably a sociopath  tavalon   May-06-05 08:44 AM   #364 
  - I did a summer intership in the area many years ago.  RevCheesehead   May-05-05 10:23 PM   #219 
  - Ummm  lildreamer316   May-05-05 10:30 PM   #227 
  - The telephone number is posted.  cat_girl25   May-05-05 10:35 PM   #235 
     - Better yet,  Gardeaux08   May-05-05 11:00 PM   #253 
        - Doh!!  libnnc   May-05-05 11:31 PM   #270 
  - Naw, that would be too honest  tavalon   May-06-05 08:46 AM   #365 
  - Zero News Search Results for "East Waynesville Baptist Church"  norml   May-05-05 10:28 PM   #225 
  - Did you see the link above?  Bluebear   May-05-05 10:30 PM   #228 
     - I just called. After three tries I finally got thru.  cat_girl25   May-05-05 10:42 PM   #241 
  - This for real? Appartied com'n. Cause I definitely hate them and all the  lonestarnot   May-05-05 10:40 PM   #239 
  - I'm glad that Democrats from this church are speaking out against this  wishlist   May-05-05 10:41 PM   #240 
  - Yes, and the video said 40 others left the church in protest  nytemare   May-06-05 09:18 AM   #382 
  - FUCK THOSE DAMN PSALM-SINGING SHITHEADS...  mitchum   May-05-05 10:43 PM   #242 
  - AGAIN...THANK YOU DUers!!  libnnc   May-05-05 10:51 PM   #246 
  - NO, thank you for bringing this to our attention.  amerikat   May-05-05 11:02 PM   #254 
  - thanks for the heads up on the story  SheepyMcSheepster   May-06-05 12:50 AM   #303 
  - This is fucking unbelievable!  legally blonde   May-05-05 10:57 PM   #251 
  - Something I wonder  FreedomAngel82   May-06-05 12:02 AM   #286 
  - I'd say it's going to hell in a handbasket nt  raccoon   May-06-05 10:14 AM   #405 
  - "Woe unto ye, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites!" nt  Hand   May-05-05 11:06 PM   #255 
  - Okay...  Dorian Gray   May-05-05 11:07 PM   #256 
  - It's true here's the newscast  walldude   May-05-05 11:09 PM   #257 
     - And thank you for it!  Spiffarino   May-05-05 11:51 PM   #282 
     - Please start new thread with this link!!!!  annabanana   May-06-05 07:24 AM   #321 
  - Blogsphere picking up the story  finecraft   May-05-05 11:10 PM   #258 
  - The expulsion isn't the only horror in this story  salin   May-05-05 11:23 PM   #262 
     - Ugh, salin, you're so right.  fudge stripe cookays   May-06-05 08:12 AM   #346 
     - they CAN'T  kgfnally   May-06-05 11:39 AM   #436 
     - I hate the word can't.  fudge stripe cookays   May-06-05 12:48 PM   #469 
     - If I'm not mistaken  hippywife   May-06-05 07:43 PM   #557 
     - cynically I respond - haha!  salin   May-06-05 11:17 PM   #571 
     - That's exactly right......pastors using their bully pulpit to  RedEarth   May-06-05 09:47 AM   #396 
  - Go Vote For The News Footage Here  InfoMinister   May-05-05 11:13 PM   #260 
  - "the actions were not politically motivated"?  RagingInMiami   May-05-05 11:23 PM   #263 
  - It got through to Malloy! He's reading it on air now. n/m  chalky   May-05-05 11:23 PM   #264 
  - WAY Cool!!!  Roland99   May-05-05 11:24 PM   #265 
  - Wow! Mike talked about it!  libnnc   May-05-05 11:25 PM   #266 
  - Wow, He's Really Going Off On That Minister!  InfoMinister   May-05-05 11:42 PM   #277 
  - More LINKs to the video  Spiffarino   May-05-05 11:28 PM   #267 
  - seems like there is some sort of WITCH HUNTING open season in NC, or at  flordehinojos   May-05-05 11:30 PM   #268 
  - The Witch hunt analogy is a good one and not as inflammatory  tavalon   May-06-05 08:50 AM   #368 
  - I work at an ABC affiliate in VA  katamaran   May-05-05 11:31 PM   #269 
  - welcome katamaran  seabeyond   May-06-05 12:19 AM   #293 
  - As far as I am concerned this is not Democratic or  Alizaryn   May-06-05 01:58 AM   #305 
  - Fascist, actually.  tavalon   May-06-05 08:51 AM   #370 
  - This is the new Republican and get used to it.  sarcasmo   May-06-05 09:14 AM   #379 
  - Welcome, Katamaran!  AuntiBush   May-06-05 11:03 PM   #570 
  - and Jesus wept  Demonaut   May-05-05 11:31 PM   #271 
  - And THEY are the ones being persecuted?!!  OnionPatch   May-05-05 11:32 PM   #272 
  - Really  FreedomAngel82   May-06-05 12:06 AM   #287 
  - That is really, really... fundamentalist  sakabatou   May-05-05 11:39 PM   #275 
  - Ewww Tumbudy trew da first rock! Rock out... Rock for all free for all!  lonestarnot   May-05-05 11:40 PM   #276 
  - Check this.. Another Church in Midland TX is doing a similar thing  tridim   May-05-05 11:48 PM   #279 
  - That's different. That's more procedural.  Roland99   May-05-05 11:52 PM   #283 
  - They're free to leave, but what they don't want to get  JerseygirlCT   May-06-05 08:08 AM   #342 
  - Are they a PAC? Can they remain tax exempt? - n/t  BrightKnight   May-05-05 11:50 PM   #280 
  - I'm afraid this "Pastor" will be a hero  artemisia1   May-06-05 12:30 AM   #298 
  - This is getting an amazing amount of attention  Spiffarino   May-06-05 12:39 AM   #299 
  - mental illness  leftofthedial   May-06-05 12:40 AM   #300 
  - I've converted it to Real Video 10  ProudDad   May-06-05 01:41 AM   #304 
  - Now They can find a better church  DaDeacon   May-06-05 02:35 AM   #308 
  - Tax Guide for Churches and Religious Organizations  Q   May-06-05 06:32 AM   #310 
  - Great find - clear violation  salin   May-06-05 06:55 AM   #311 
  - or public statements of position (verbal or written)  tavalon   May-06-05 08:55 AM   #371 
  - groucho  ananda   May-06-05 06:58 AM   #312 
  - What is is with Waynesville??  Tesla   May-06-05 07:25 AM   #323 
  - Sounds like a jihad to me.  OrlandoGator   May-06-05 07:04 AM   #313 
  - I just sent this link to buzzflash  Timbuk3   May-06-05 07:05 AM   #314 
  - I decided to host it, too  Timbuk3   May-06-05 07:21 AM   #316 
  - Yup, me, too.  americanstranger   May-06-05 07:25 AM   #322 
  - I posted a thread in the forums at RawStory  Roland99   May-06-05 08:20 AM   #350 
  - The First Fristian Baptist Church of East Waynesville!  annabanana   May-06-05 07:07 AM   #315 
  - Seig Halleluja is more like it  Timbuk3   May-06-05 07:22 AM   #318 
  - The expelled members should SUE.....  Dob Bole   May-06-05 07:24 AM   #320 
  - Their lawyer was there today at church with me and press...  chomskysright   May-08-05 12:40 PM   #604 
  - REAL MEDIA Video File here:  ohio_liberal   May-06-05 07:42 AM   #332 
  - That doesn't  forgethell   May-06-05 07:43 AM   #333 
  - But doesn't the preacher run his church the way he wants?  Kathy in Cambridge   May-06-05 08:08 AM   #343 
  - No.  forgethell   May-06-05 08:41 AM   #362 
     - then dont they have a christian obligation to stand up  seabeyond   May-06-05 09:53 AM   #400 
     - "Explain the Baptist Church here...."  bloom   May-06-05 11:47 AM   #447 
  - bullshit, sorry pissed of the moment  seabeyond   May-06-05 08:32 AM   #358 
     - DUPE  forgethell   May-06-05 09:06 AM   # 
     - Seeing as how  forgethell   May-06-05 09:06 AM   #375 
     - these baptists are family, my children  seabeyond   May-06-05 09:29 AM   #392 
     - This reminds me of Nazi Germany...  AmBlue   May-06-05 04:17 PM   #532 
  - It seems to me You WOUDN'T WANT TO BELONG to that kind of a church!  demo dutch   May-06-05 07:59 AM   #338 
  - of course they are better off, that is not the point n/t  seabeyond   May-06-05 08:36 AM   #361 
  - Demonstrations anyone?  fudge stripe cookays   May-06-05 08:06 AM   #340 
  - I'M UP FOR IT & I'M IN ASHEVILLE: contact me backchannel plz  chomskysright   May-06-05 01:18 PM   #482 
  - Thread continued here:  blondeatlast   May-06-05 08:11 AM   #345 
  - Is there a proper link yet?  Kazak   May-06-05 08:13 AM   #347 
  - Check out the home page. Skinner posted a couple there,  blondeatlast   May-06-05 08:18 AM   #348 
  - This is not good, but it's a church. They can exclude anyone they want.  brainshrub   May-06-05 08:20 AM   #349 
  - Exactly and the same people  mmonk   May-06-05 08:28 AM   #356 
  - Explain, in detail, how this ISN'T a political act?  blondeatlast   May-06-05 08:49 AM   #367 
  - Its not just any political act  ElaineinIN   May-06-05 01:53 PM   #495 
  - They CANNOT demand you to vote a certain way and remain tax exempt  nothingshocksmeanymore   May-06-05 11:10 AM   #428 
  - Yes and No.  Pacifist Patriot   May-06-05 11:46 AM   #445 
  - AU: JOIN us: Americans United for Separation of Church and STate  chomskysright   May-06-05 03:27 PM   #519 
  - And I'm proud to be a Humanistic Jew,  bullwinkle428   May-06-05 08:27 AM   #355 
  - Hey Bullwinkle, welcome to DU  Bluzmann57   May-06-05 06:50 PM   #550 
  - Look at the station  melissinha   May-06-05 08:49 AM   #366 
  - From the WLOS site:  bloom   May-06-05 11:55 AM   #453 
  - this is probably for the best  mpendragon   May-06-05 08:55 AM   #373 
  - Shouldn't they be allowed to expel anyone they want?  brainshrub   May-06-05 09:00 AM   #374 
  - Suggestion  atreides1   May-06-05 10:41 AM   #414 
  - Perhaps because Klansmen aren't nationally elected offices?  Norquist Nemesis   May-06-05 10:47 AM   #416 
  - Yes..they can't coerce their membership to vote for a politician  nothingshocksmeanymore   May-06-05 11:11 AM   #429 
  - Story on WLOS website  racaulk   May-06-05 09:07 AM   #376 
  - Pass this one on, it's a horrific nightmare. N/T  Selteri   May-06-05 09:09 AM   #377 
  - Well, can someone say "tax free no more?"  nytemare   May-06-05 09:13 AM   #378 
  - Check this site to contact  snowbird42   May-06-05 09:15 AM   #381 
  - ITS ROLLING THUNDER REVIEW & folks  chomskysright   May-06-05 01:19 PM   #483 
  - I contacted moderator  chomskysright   May-06-05 01:24 PM   #485 
  - Holy Flurking Schnit!  Brooklyn Michael   May-06-05 09:19 AM   #383 
  - I posted a new thread with a Diary from georgia10 at DailyKos which  Pirate Smile   May-06-05 09:21 AM   #388 
  - I left a message on their machine---LONG beep  jasmeel   May-06-05 09:23 AM   #389 
  - Jesus wept.  big peaches   May-06-05 09:23 AM   #390 
  - Springer is on it  nytemare   May-06-05 09:39 AM   #393 
  - Jerry Springer just mentioned this on his program, 10:38 am ET, 5-6-05.  seafan   May-06-05 09:42 AM   #395 
  - Mike Malloy mentioned it on his show last night. So he was the first  cat_girl25   May-06-05 10:48 AM   #417 
     - Great! Hope Franken, Shultz and Rhodes will address today.  seafan   May-06-05 11:07 AM   #426 
        - I sent it to Randi at about six this morning.  americanstranger   May-06-05 11:48 AM   #448 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   May-06-05 09:48 AM   #397 
  - Hope The Cast-Outs Took Their Tithes and Pledges With Them  VogonGlory   May-06-05 10:14 AM   #406 
  - They should even SUE the CHURCH  oneold1-4u   May-07-05 11:49 AM   #584 
  - My Take on This  atreides1   May-06-05 10:15 AM   #407 
  - I have the same take on this...  halobeam   May-06-05 10:20 AM   #410 
  - 828-456-6842  dogday   May-06-05 10:17 AM   #408 
  - As soon as we can locate this in print, I will report the violation to  sinkingfeeling   May-06-05 10:18 AM   #409 
  - I sent this to Americans United for Separation of Church and State,  sinkingfeeling   May-06-05 10:29 AM   #413 
     - MY GROUP: in ASHEVILLE: they're on it: lead contact person:  chomskysright   May-06-05 01:25 PM   #487 
  - Jesus H. Christ!! That's my state  Sequoia   May-06-05 10:21 AM   #411 
  - I live an hour from Asheville...  paparush   May-06-05 10:25 AM   #412 
  - Paprush: am trying to contact you re: protest this Sunday  chomskysright   May-06-05 01:26 PM   #490 
  - Local print media is mum?  Yellow_Dog   May-06-05 10:42 AM   #415 
  - Welcome Yellow Dog!  Norquist Nemesis   May-06-05 10:51 AM   #418 
  - The Mountaineer's website is notoriously slow  libnnc   May-06-05 10:54 AM   #419 
  - Could it be that they don't really care?  cat_girl25   May-06-05 12:28 PM   #463 
     - I KNOW the local fish wrap doesn't care  libnnc   May-06-05 12:58 PM   #475 
  - Where Am I Going ?  RedstDem   May-06-05 10:59 AM   #422 
  - WOW! I really dont know what to say about this...  Robworld   May-06-05 11:05 AM   #424 
  - So far, Google News "East Waynesville Baptist Church" = 0 hits...  Junkdrawer   May-06-05 11:05 AM   #425 
  - A shit place like that didn't have any dems anyway.  The_Casual_Observer   May-06-05 11:24 AM   #433 
  - It's very reminiscent of the "period of the witches"  BurtWorm   May-06-05 11:28 AM   #434 
  - Why do I feel the need to buy a couple weapons (defensive of course)  dbonds   May-06-05 11:36 AM   #435 
  - Remove their tax exempt status.  ronnykmarshall   May-06-05 11:40 AM   #437 
  - GREAT! I work in WAYNESVILLE, NC and I will be addressing this:  chomskysright   May-06-05 11:43 AM   #440 
  - I live in VA near the NC Border and I'm trying to figure out how far this  frankly_fedup2   May-06-05 11:43 AM   #441 
  - I knew it!  Xenotime   May-06-05 11:47 AM   #446 
  - put it up my blog with links and Tax Guide  nashville_brook   May-06-05 12:14 PM   #458 
  - I think it's a good thing...  DirtyDawg   May-06-05 12:15 PM   #459 
  - Gaynesville DUers  melissinha   May-06-05 12:32 PM   #465 
  - Gee, they aren't answering their phone or taking voice messages.  NightOwwl   May-06-05 12:46 PM   #468 
  - Screw you, Olberman!!!!  paineinthearse   May-06-05 12:49 PM   #470 
  - My email to KO  paineinthearse   May-06-05 01:17 PM   #480 
  - Whoa there, big feller!  Spiffarino   May-06-05 04:52 PM   #536 
  - Yeah, personally  sharman   May-06-05 09:45 PM   #566 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   May-06-05 12:52 PM   #471 
  - They are trying to turn this country into Northern Ireland...  Raksha   May-06-05 01:43 PM   #493 
  - Not conservative, fundamentalist  paineinthearse   May-06-05 01:54 PM   #496 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   May-06-05 03:04 PM   #516 
  - I am so freaked out.  myrna minx   May-06-05 12:54 PM   #472 
  - Someone start a new thread on this telling us what we're doing to organize  chaska   May-06-05 01:04 PM   #477 
  - There already is  paineinthearse   May-06-05 01:18 PM   #481 
  - I have a thought for you to ponder....  LordLQQK   May-06-05 01:10 PM   #479 
  - Been saying that  AngryOldDem   May-06-05 01:26 PM   #489 
  - Err Dunno but CNN just gave  insane_cratic_gal   May-06-05 01:26 PM   #488 
  - As a former Western North Carolina resident I can tell you  Sandpiper   May-06-05 02:08 PM   #499 
  - Ed Shultz is on this now, 3pm ET, 5-6-05 AAR/Jones Radio Network  seafan   May-06-05 02:11 PM   #500 
  - Ed's interview with "Selma", older female member of the church:  seafan   May-06-05 03:04 PM   #515 
     - helpful post: I sent it to reporter develop. story at Charlotte Observer:  chomskysright   May-06-05 03:31 PM   #521 
  - Can you say "Blowback"? I thought you could!  bullwinkle428   May-06-05 02:13 PM   #501 
  - First they came for the ... n/t  lala_rawraw   May-06-05 02:32 PM   #503 
  - "LOVE ONE ANOTHER AS I HAVE LOVED YOU."  ih8thegop   May-06-05 02:36 PM   #505 
  - My next question is.....  fudge stripe cookays   May-06-05 02:46 PM   #507 
  - detecting democrats  Yellow_Dog   May-06-05 03:22 PM   #518 
     - Geez.  fudge stripe cookays   May-06-05 03:44 PM   #526 
        - but handy  Yellow_Dog   May-06-05 04:19 PM   #533 
  - So it begins  deacon2   May-06-05 02:53 PM   #511 
  - Don't wanna hear "Edwards couldn't even win his home state" ever again.  KrazyKat   May-06-05 02:57 PM   #512 
  - Need contact info for booted congregants ASAP  JoshG   May-06-05 03:30 PM   #520 
  - REPOST UPDATE: Ed's interview with "Selma" member of the church  melissinha   May-06-05 03:42 PM   #525 
  - seeking interviews for book project  andimini   May-06-05 04:11 PM   #530 
  - What's next? Enslaving all liberals?  Democracy White   May-06-05 03:51 PM   #527 
  - Posting to my blog.  ContraBass Black   May-06-05 03:51 PM   #528 
  - WLOS 5:00 PM 5/6/05 Lead Off Story!  Yellow_Dog   May-06-05 04:15 PM   #531 
     - remember; Citizen Times is Gannett paper but I have fed to editor...  chomskysright   May-06-05 04:38 PM   #534 
     - am now wondering a bit about Americans United for Separ of church and Stat  chomskysright   May-06-05 04:40 PM   #535 
        - Perhaps...  melissinha   May-06-05 05:06 PM   #539 
     - Now the Asheville Citizen Times carries story  Yellow_Dog   May-06-05 06:13 PM   #545 
  - When I called the church number...  larissa   May-06-05 04:58 PM   #537 
  - Hopes this hits the Big Media  Fluffdaddy   May-06-05 05:00 PM   #538 
  - This Fundy thinks this stinks  LanternWaste   May-06-05 05:35 PM   #540 
  - make the waynesVILLE...  Yellow_Dog   May-06-05 06:02 PM   #543 
  - Rats...  LanternWaste   May-06-05 06:20 PM   #546 
  - Talk to your pastor....  fudge stripe cookays   May-06-05 07:10 PM   #554 
  - Can't pass an elephant through the eye of a needle - n/t  BrightKnight   May-06-05 06:06 PM   #544 
  - So how does 'preacher' know who voted for who ? LOL  EVDebs   May-06-05 06:27 PM   #547 
  - Help! This is where I live!  Susanelle   May-06-05 06:27 PM   #548 
  - I live about 2 hrs from one of those really red counties...  ms liberty   May-06-05 06:51 PM   #551 
  - They were dancing with this poor dead kid's body, how sick.  texanwitch   May-06-05 09:55 PM   #567 
     - I'm thinking they kept him for about 3 days...  ms liberty   May-07-05 01:42 PM   #589 
  - The American Taliban strikes again. A sad day for Christians.  mark wayne   May-06-05 06:57 PM   #552 
  - Freaked out? I'm pissed as hell!  bush_is_wacko   May-06-05 07:06 PM   #553 
  - Just contacted my local news affiliate  Democracy White   May-06-05 07:37 PM   #555 
  - ELECTIONEERING BILL FOR CHURCHES PROPOSED: BREAKING  chomskysright   May-06-05 07:45 PM   #558 
  - This needs it's own thread ASAP....  ms liberty   May-06-05 08:35 PM   #562 
     - I started its thread: it disappeared: u want to try again?  chomskysright   May-06-05 09:18 PM   #564 
  - Detroit Fox 2 News  indy_azcat   May-06-05 07:58 PM   #559 
  - The word is spreading  Yellow_Dog   May-06-05 09:37 PM   #565 
  - I have some info on the pastor  jah713   May-06-05 08:19 PM   #560 
  - It Would Be Better To Give Mailing Address INSTEAD Of Phone Number!  emanymton   May-07-05 06:35 AM   #576 
  - I'm praying this church's will lose it's tax-free status and be forced  B Calm   May-06-05 08:24 PM   #561 
  - I am glad to see some solidarity here  mikedevilsfan   May-06-05 08:39 PM   #563 
  - We NEED to DEMAND "NO MORE TAX-EXEMPT" for Political  AuntiBush   May-06-05 09:56 PM   #568 
  - Theocracy  UCSBLiberalCat53   May-07-05 12:49 AM   #572 
  - Jesus actually committed suicide.  Gregorian   May-07-05 01:36 AM   #573 
  - I owe libnnc an apology:  SouthernDem2004   May-07-05 06:24 AM   #575 
  - As nutty as the fundies are getting? This is all too real  derby378   May-07-05 07:05 AM   #577 
  - Libnnc, are you still there?  andimini   May-07-05 08:15 AM   #579 
  - The non-race-based Nazification of Amerika has only just begun...  tom_paine   May-07-05 11:20 AM   #582 
  - speechless  ianrs   May-07-05 11:23 AM   #583 
  - iarns,  larissa   May-07-05 11:57 AM   #585 
     - larissa  ianrs   May-08-05 12:46 PM   #605 
  - I need a link please  lala_rawraw   May-07-05 12:05 PM   #586 
  - its all over everywhere by now but here's the  libnnc   May-07-05 12:09 PM   #587 
     - we're 'cookin w/ gas now': see u @church, E. Waynesville Bapt church:  chomskysright   May-07-05 02:05 PM   #590 
  - Well for Heaven's Snakes!  Hubert Flottz   May-07-05 02:37 PM   #591 
  - >> MSNBC Countdown: Dems Voted Out of Church  DrCorday   May-07-05 06:48 PM   #592 
  - Keith Olbermann talked about it on his show yesterday.  cat_girl25   May-07-05 08:20 PM   #596 
     - Oh really?  DrCorday   May-08-05 03:46 AM   #599 
  - picked up by AP; NYTimes, Truth Out too!!  chomskysright   May-07-05 08:16 PM   #595 
  - NC Dems pick it up:  chomskysright   May-07-05 08:32 PM   #597 
  - AP - Dems Voted Out of Church Weigh Options  paineinthearse   May-07-05 11:04 PM   #598 
  - UPDATE: This AP update is now on MSNBC as well.  DrCorday   May-08-05 04:05 AM   #600 
     - Latest News?  La Femme   May-08-05 10:28 AM   #602 
  - Report from DUer who attended Waynesville, NC church today:  chomskysright   May-08-05 12:39 PM   #603 
     - Thanks for the update  Chemical Bill   May-08-05 08:22 PM   #606 

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