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42. The irony is that the tab for uninsured is a lot higher than
if you have insurance... and the carrier has an agreement with the provider.

Only the uninsured do not have anyone to intervene on their behalf.

On the other hand, one can almost understand the hospital. Medicare and the HMOs give them "offers they cannot refuse" and most have to accept uninsured people - though not necessarily provide the best help available. So they go after the uninsured which, in the old days - were foreigners and wealthy individuals who would pay as they go, the ones who buy houses for cash.

As John Kerry is criss crossing the country talking about health insurance, I hope that he uses Andy as an example.
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  -A person shouldn't have to take up a damn collection when he gets sick mopaul  Apr-30-05 08:13 AM   #0 
  - amen, brother.  KG   Apr-30-05 08:15 AM   #1 
  - In this Country of Riches  scarlett1   Apr-30-05 08:57 PM   #71 
  - for andy  mopaul   Apr-30-05 08:20 AM   #2 
  - I wonder if Andy can get help from the excellent medical centers in India?  KlatooBNikto   Apr-30-05 08:47 AM   #7 
     - Or Cuba?  DELUSIONAL   Apr-30-05 09:20 AM   #8 
  - Well said.This country represented hope at one time in all matters  KlatooBNikto   Apr-30-05 08:23 AM   #3 
  - No joke. But that compassionate sentiment is also  HereSince1628   Apr-30-05 08:25 AM   #4 
  - Great post. Some of us don't even have the privilege.  BullGooseLoony   Apr-30-05 08:35 AM   #5 
  - Indeed, it is a disgrace  sweetheart   Apr-30-05 08:43 AM   #6 
  - Every other week, there are local  justgamma   Apr-30-05 09:48 AM   #9 
  - Truer words and all that. Think of the cost for treatment if we had a  blondeatlast   Apr-30-05 09:53 AM   #10 
  - How many died from a curable disease because they  Cleita   Apr-30-05 09:55 AM   #11 
  - I'd love to see some statistics on this.  blondeatlast   Apr-30-05 10:10 AM   #15 
  - There are stats on this.  Cleita   Apr-30-05 10:25 AM   #17 
  - Here's a website that has all kinds of stats and infomation  Cleita   Apr-30-05 11:21 AM   #35 
  - And how many died from life support being removed...  Misunderestimator   Apr-30-05 10:36 AM   #23 
  - Personally, I'd rather die than to have my family's lives burdened,...  Just Me   Apr-30-05 07:33 PM   #66 
     - Dying isn't that easy, in case you haven't been that  Cleita   Apr-30-05 09:15 PM   #74 
     - Well, yes, that's your personal decision... would be mine too...  Misunderestimator   May-01-05 11:42 AM   #94 
        - Oh, yes,....I am in complete agreement with you.  Just Me   May-01-05 01:42 PM   #101 
  - and hospitals that must take medicare!!  flyarm   Apr-30-05 09:52 PM   #77 
  - KICK!  mopaul   Apr-30-05 10:01 AM   #12 
  - I couldn't agree with you more!  bush_is_wacko   Apr-30-05 10:03 AM   #13 
  - Health care is a national security issue.  Pithy Cherub   Apr-30-05 10:07 AM   #14 
  - Interesting idea. Contrast the statistics on those who are unable  blondeatlast   Apr-30-05 10:14 AM   #16 
  - And there should be more places of the quality of Johns Hopkins.  AP   Apr-30-05 10:26 AM   #18 
  - Every state should have a teaching hospital attached to a university.  blondeatlast   Apr-30-05 10:29 AM   #21 
  - I agree with mopaul  DanCa   Apr-30-05 10:26 AM   #19 
  - Ain't THAT the fucking truth!!  Misunderestimator   Apr-30-05 10:28 AM   #20 
  - I see the "nearly" sick every day as I drive by the VA hospital.  blondeatlast   Apr-30-05 10:33 AM   #22 
  - The VA hospitals need more funding  DanCa   Apr-30-05 10:44 AM   #27 
  - $250 user fee, doubled drug copays & more  Shallah   Apr-30-05 04:53 PM   #54 
  - wh y don't you know..your tax dollars are going to give  flyarm   Apr-30-05 10:00 PM   #78 
  - Business should be on the FRONT LINES in this fight.  elehhhhna   May-01-05 11:04 AM   #88 
  - Who the fuck can afford 25,000 up front?!  tjdee   Apr-30-05 10:40 AM   #24 
  - senators, congressmen, t.v. pundits, speechwriters, karl rove, condi  mopaul   Apr-30-05 10:41 AM   #25 
  - It's the golden rule bro  DanCa   Apr-30-05 10:46 AM   #29 
  - The irony is that the tab for uninsured is a lot higher than  question everything   Apr-30-05 11:42 AM   #42 
  - The bring them to Houston for recon sugery, no charge, and pretend we're  elehhhhna   May-01-05 11:05 AM   #89 
  - I am so grateful I'm a Canadian  yvr girl   Apr-30-05 10:44 AM   #26 
  - god bless Canada!...n/t  mopaul   Apr-30-05 10:45 AM   #28 
  - We'd like to live in a place with national health care, like Canada!  Radio_Lady   Apr-30-05 06:40 PM   #56 
  - Take a look at a new book by Susan Sered called --  Radio_Lady   Apr-30-05 11:01 AM   #30 
  - Wow, same thing happened to me.  Cleita   Apr-30-05 11:03 AM   #31 
     - good luck  mopaul   Apr-30-05 11:24 AM   #36 
        - It's been okay so far. Far, far better than the HMO that  Cleita   Apr-30-05 11:31 AM   #40 
           - We both belong to Senior Advantage, which is an HMO plan --  Radio_Lady   Apr-30-05 01:30 PM   #45 
              - Kaiser Permanente is a non-profit and therefore  Cleita   Apr-30-05 01:57 PM   #47 
                 - Amen, Cleita -- you've said it all. Enjoy the day! n/t  Radio_Lady   Apr-30-05 06:33 PM   #55 
                    - I wish I could enjoy the day, but all I do is worry about  Cleita   Apr-30-05 06:43 PM   #57 
  - Almost every "Mom-n-Pop" store I frequent has collection jars,...  Just Me   Apr-30-05 11:07 AM   #32 
  - That's what we need to do  sandnsea   May-01-05 01:32 AM   #80 
  - * serves the insurance companies, not the people  TOJ   Apr-30-05 11:09 AM   #33 
  - Amen!!  tammywammy   Apr-30-05 11:09 AM   #34 
  - On this we agree  slackmaster   Apr-30-05 11:25 AM   #37 
  - "A person shouldn't have to take up a damn collection when he gets sick."  area51   Apr-30-05 11:26 AM   #38 
  - "Sicko" the title of Michael Moore's next film about u.s. healthcare  mopaul   Apr-30-05 11:30 AM   #39 
  - "At least a Canadian-style healthcare system" would  Cleita   Apr-30-05 11:36 AM   #41 
  - yep, or be sick and not take up a collection...  lala_rawraw   Apr-30-05 12:17 PM   #43 
  - kick  mopaul   Apr-30-05 01:22 PM   #44 
  - maybe those who've never been through troubles can't relate  mopaul   Apr-30-05 01:50 PM   #46 
  - It's really hard to generate much interest at DU in this topic  Cleita   Apr-30-05 02:07 PM   #48 
  - "Where there is Justice there is no need for Charity"  wurzel   Apr-30-05 02:25 PM   #49 
  - I completely agree  Texasgal   Apr-30-05 02:30 PM   #50 
  - I know how you feel.  kineneb   Apr-30-05 09:36 PM   #75 
  - I'm so sorry. Your situation sounds terrible...  alittlelark   May-01-05 02:29 AM   #81 
  - What a great post....  greatauntoftriplets   Apr-30-05 02:47 PM   #51 
  - I work with patients who were refused cancer surgeries/treatments  maveric   Apr-30-05 03:19 PM   #52 
  - That's awful. I didn't realize it was that bad.  Cleita   Apr-30-05 06:52 PM   #58 
  - That is HORRIFIC!  ultraist   Apr-30-05 06:53 PM   #59 
     - Do you think that Bill Frist gives a shit?  maveric   May-01-05 01:29 PM   #98 
  - You are SO right- I had this talk with a local Republican Politician  Danmel   Apr-30-05 03:29 PM   #53 
  - It's not just the Republicans...sadly  ultraist   Apr-30-05 06:56 PM   #60 
  - Our right to life will become preserved by our right to health care.  Wizard777   Apr-30-05 07:05 PM   #61 
  - We will never have freedom until healthcare, food, and shelter  K-W   Apr-30-05 07:08 PM   #62 
  - I figure the dub's 'Master Plan' is to make sure that all of the  MsConduct   Apr-30-05 07:09 PM   #63 
  - Bush wants as many as possible DEAD before they turn 65. That's  Auntie Bush   Apr-30-05 08:39 PM   #69 
     - Yep, more money for him and his bad of thieves. n/t  MsConduct   May-01-05 09:55 AM   #86 
  - I agree. Just for today, we need your help:  sfexpat2000   Apr-30-05 07:09 PM   #64 
  - You are absolutely correct  sarahlee   Apr-30-05 07:15 PM   #65 
  - Wasn't Bev Harris suppose to have set Andy up with insurance?  newportdadde   Apr-30-05 07:36 PM   #67 
  - Yes, she did run off with it  Unions   Apr-30-05 08:55 PM   #70 
     - She should be guilted into sending Andy some bucks.  elehhhhna   May-01-05 11:11 AM   #90 
        - Don't you have to have a soul and a conscious to be guilted?  merh   May-01-05 11:19 AM   #91 
           - Probably. Interesting experiment, though. Gosh I'm glad I was broke  elehhhhna   May-01-05 11:48 AM   #95 
              - LOL  merh   May-01-05 12:04 PM   #97 
  - Bu$h spends billions slaughtering innocent people. No wonder America....  understandinglife   Apr-30-05 07:43 PM   #68 
  - And instead we spend money on war equipment...  Darranar   Apr-30-05 08:58 PM   #72 
  - I know when Elizabeth Edwards Speaks of her illness  scarlett1   Apr-30-05 09:02 PM   #73 
  - I ain't too proud to beg for Andy.  cat_girl25   Apr-30-05 09:41 PM   #76 
  - kick  kentuck   Apr-30-05 10:26 PM   #79 
  - This is a very special thrad, every post in it. Recommended. n/t  Nothing Without Hope   May-01-05 03:13 AM   #82 
  - kick  mopaul   May-01-05 05:06 AM   #83 
  - The richest country in the world...  SarahBelle   May-01-05 08:00 AM   #84 
  - I posted the same sentiments on the Guy James Show thread  Dudley_DUright   May-01-05 09:10 AM   #85 
  - kick  merh   May-01-05 10:53 AM   #87 
  - I was just coming here to post that SAME THING! It's WRONG!  progressivebydesign   May-01-05 11:22 AM   #92 
  - Politicize my plight!!!  Andy_Stephenson   May-01-05 11:49 AM   #96 
     - Andy you are the best !  hiley   May-02-05 08:13 AM   #104 
  - but that's socialism mopaul...Jesus wouldn't approve!  goodboy   May-01-05 11:22 AM   #93 
  - The US is the only industrialized nation not to guarantee healthcare  katinmn   May-01-05 01:37 PM   #99 
  - Reply  CarefullyLiberal   May-01-05 01:38 PM   #100 
  - All the money being WASTED in Iraq could have paid for health care,  slay   May-01-05 02:01 PM   #102 
  - what would jesus do with all that money and power?  mopaul   May-02-05 07:30 AM   #103 
     - If Jesus saves, well he better save himself.. From the gory glory seekers  slay   May-02-05 11:43 AM   #105 
  - HALLELUJAH!  mopaul   May-02-05 01:07 PM   #106 

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