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kcwayne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-29-05 12:32 PM
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16. Gates is mis-representing the problem
Microsoft has operations in China, India, Russia, and other SE Asian countries. His product can be transported across the world instantaneously at very little cost. He can do research anywhere, and does so. There are no barriers to innovation of software based on geographic locale. Microsoft, and all major companies are extremely successfull in transporting their knowledge base and processes to any place in the world.

He does not need to bring foreign nationals that work for 10% of what Americans do to solve a lack of talent problem. He needs to lower the cost of operations in the US. He can bring in contractors through Tata (an Indian firm) at a fraction of what US based contractors cost. The presence of Tata, causes all contractors to lower their price.

Microsoft maintains a large pool of temp contractors to avoid the FICA, health care, and pension liability. If they added those people to their permanant staff, it would change the balance sheet and the stock valuation would be negatively impacted.

This is a money decision. It has nothing to do with the availability of talent. In 2 days and I could make calls to my associates and peers and come up with the names of over 100 software people that are either unemployed or employed in other fields.

I have advanced degrees in Engineering and Computer Science. My daughter will not be going into this field because the future is so bleak. She won't be a rock star either.
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  -Why doesn't Bill Gates just move to Asia, and quit being a parasite? kcwayne  Apr-29-05 07:55 AM   #0 
  - America should be come a Third WOrld Country  bryant69   Apr-29-05 07:58 AM   #1 
  - you mean Will become a 3rd world country  chimpsrsmarter   Apr-29-05 08:25 AM   #5 
     - we are approaching third world status...  Triana   Apr-29-05 09:13 AM   #6 
     - You took the words right out of my mouth. nt  TheGoldenRule   Apr-29-05 09:23 AM   #8 
  - this is the crux of it all...  Triana   Apr-29-05 07:59 AM   #2 
  - China  Wright Patman   Apr-29-05 08:15 AM   #3 
  - Ask your local Tibetan about China  Peake   Apr-29-05 07:50 PM   #25 
  - People here say the same thing about Aztlan/US Southwest  Muddy Waters Guitar   Apr-29-05 08:53 PM   #33 
  - Yes , in a couple of centuries  Ms. Clio   Apr-29-05 09:59 PM   #37 
  - I'm no friend of the Chinese government  Djinn   Apr-30-05 02:05 AM   #40 
  - Ignorance and Xenophobia.  bezdomny   Apr-30-05 01:51 AM   #38 
     - I don't understand why  Wright Patman   Apr-30-05 07:11 AM   #41 
  - I heard him lying on the radio this morning.  SmokingJacket   Apr-29-05 08:21 AM   #4 
  - Yeah, I heard that same shit this morning also  MadHound   Apr-29-05 09:18 AM   #7 
  - I've been trying to get a software development job for months now  high density   May-01-05 12:17 AM   #44 
  - That miserable human being has never produced on thing  ArkDem   Apr-29-05 09:36 AM   #9 
  - You know why Gates, Chambers and others need the U.S.? We have  KlatooBNikto   Apr-29-05 09:42 AM   #10 
  - ahh, nothing like a downturn to bring out the xenophobia  northzax   Apr-29-05 10:07 AM   #11 
  - If you think this is just a downturn, you are not paying attention  kcwayne   Apr-29-05 10:24 AM   #12 
  - as I said, it's the commoditisation of information  northzax   Apr-29-05 10:56 AM   #13 
  - The hammer has already fallen, and under the current paradigm  kcwayne   Apr-29-05 12:16 PM   #15 
  - two sides of coin  emc   Apr-29-05 11:32 AM   #14 
     - Gates is mis-representing the problem  kcwayne   Apr-29-05 12:32 PM   #16 
  - Your accusation of xenophobia is unfounded.  K-W   Apr-29-05 12:36 PM   #17 
  - yes, actually, it is  northzax   Apr-29-05 02:27 PM   #20 
     - What kind of rediculous textbook would say that?  K-W   Apr-29-05 08:40 PM   #32 
  - In my area, Research Triangle Park  ultraist   Apr-29-05 07:43 PM   #23 
  - Xenophobia?  high density   May-01-05 12:40 AM   #45 
  - Gates should move to Russia Theres a Billionaire in jail there  lovuian   Apr-29-05 12:41 PM   #18 
  - Both my wife and I are on H1B visas.  mutus_frutex   Apr-29-05 01:24 PM   #19 
  - Man are you ever missing the point by a mile  kcwayne   Apr-29-05 07:27 PM   #21 
     - Oftentimes we do see a lot of xenophobia with regard to foreign workers  ultraist   Apr-29-05 07:54 PM   #27 
     - I was planning to answer you post but  mutus_frutex   Apr-30-05 10:55 PM   #42 
  - Not correct  idlisambar   Apr-29-05 07:41 PM   #22 
  - Microsoft isn't the only player in this game, and their use of H1B  kcwayne   Apr-29-05 08:34 PM   #30 
     - Not sure about the original intent  idlisambar   Apr-30-05 02:02 AM   #39 
        - Edit  loindelrio   Apr-30-05 11:48 PM   #43 
  - I'd rather have the workers coming here, thanks  0rganism   Apr-29-05 07:47 PM   #24 
  - Well put  idlisambar   Apr-29-05 07:54 PM   #26 
  - In the long term it would be better if they applied their talents in their  kcwayne   Apr-29-05 08:10 PM   #28 
  - but first, in the short term, they have to see a different system  0rganism   Apr-29-05 09:46 PM   #36 
  - "At the end of the day, it doesn't matter whether Gates is right...  sadiesworld   Apr-29-05 08:14 PM   #29 
     - You waited until NOW to say "bye-bye democracy"?  0rganism   Apr-29-05 09:41 PM   #35 
  - How about Bill moves to Washington, and Shrub moves to china..  orpupilofnature57   Apr-29-05 08:40 PM   #31 
  - Another reason to be wary of the DLC  Muddy Waters Guitar   Apr-29-05 08:56 PM   #34 
  - Gates will get his way because...  ngGale   May-01-05 02:01 AM   #46 
  - Why do engineers from India not deserve jobs at high-tech companies?  funflower   May-01-05 02:18 AM   #47 

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