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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-26-05 08:21 PM
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65. Obviously you didn't see
that the "5-year old" (I am convinced she is at very least 34) was wearing an Angela Davis t-shirt. You have offered no convincing proof, merh, that this woman-child had not commited numerous murders in the past, as well as in the future. In the educational guidebook "Teachers Are From Honor Role, Parents Are From Detention," it clearly states that in cases involving children under 6, teachers should use stun-guns.

Try to be more objective, and accept the wisdom and insight expressed by those who note, among other gems, that: {1} the mother should be turned in to social services for NOT ALLOWING her child to be spanked; {2} this 6-year old has Charles Manson-like eyes; {3} she is surely a sociopath -- what other explanation could there be?;{4} her mother could get free mental health services .... even though she was not able to get to the school before the cops, it can't be because her workplace is not willing to let her come and go at will (ALL workplaces are progressive, as you know) .... her type likely gets welfare, even if she has to cheat (handcuff her on suspicion!); and {5} this 5-year old needs to be in an anger management group.

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  -Okay,... So I teach "at risk" kids, here's my take on the handcuffed kid. liberalitch  Apr-26-05 01:38 PM   #0 
  - Perhaps she didn't want her child touched because there was some  nothingshocksmeanymore   Apr-26-05 01:43 PM   #1 
  - I don't know all the facts about this particular parent  lastliberalintexas   Apr-26-05 02:56 PM   #21 
  - your post certainly underscores how multifactorial these problems are  nothingshocksmeanymore   Apr-26-05 03:00 PM   #22 
     - Yes, I certainly disagree with the cuffing  lastliberalintexas   Apr-26-05 03:07 PM   #23 
        - The "media-zation" of that, should be taken to court!!!  Just Me   Apr-26-05 08:04 PM   #61 
  - Any parent who truly cared and wanted to help their child  proud2Blib   Apr-26-05 08:22 PM   #66 
  - That 5 year old little girl could be autistic or have another behavioral  bushisanidiot   Apr-26-05 01:47 PM   #2 
  - Oh, of course not but (according to NPR)...  liberalitch   Apr-26-05 03:26 PM   #29 
     - Ignore the problem is the opposite of what I suggested  bushisanidiot   Apr-26-05 03:33 PM   #32 
  - I think you have it dead on  Goblinmonger   Apr-26-05 01:48 PM   #3 
  - Yeah, But  RobinA   Apr-26-05 01:52 PM   #4 
  - Exactly. School followed the law.  JNelson6563   Apr-26-05 01:59 PM   #7 
  - She was already up on the table and attempting to kick the...  liberalitch   Apr-26-05 03:28 PM   #30 
  - Remembering my own school days more than fifty years ago.  Cleita   Apr-26-05 01:57 PM   #5 
  - If I had behaved the way that child did my mother would have...  liberalitch   Apr-26-05 03:31 PM   #31 
  - "young man who was arrested for beating up his own mom"  barb162   Apr-28-05 12:42 PM   #175 
  - it was pretty much the same with me  barb162   Apr-28-05 12:39 PM   #174 
  - I agree with you lib.....  Catchawave   Apr-26-05 01:57 PM   #6 
  - Isn't it easy to blame the parents.  passy   Apr-26-05 02:00 PM   #8 
  - Teachers  RobinA   Apr-26-05 02:10 PM   #9 
  - Okay then...  formernaderite   Apr-26-05 02:16 PM   #10 
  - Since the mother HERSELF called the police when the kid was 3  mondo joe   Apr-26-05 02:31 PM   #16 
  - The child was a frequent cause for police calls when she was three....  liberalitch   Apr-26-05 03:22 PM   #27 
  - Sorry for knowing nothing.  passy   Apr-26-05 03:41 PM   #35 
  - Let Me Check With My Wife  ProfessorGAC   Apr-26-05 07:48 PM   #59 
     - I didn't say anything about the wife.... what I said was that...  liberalitch   Apr-27-05 11:06 AM   #155 
  - I have a tough time buying your reasoning.....  MsTryska   Apr-26-05 03:24 PM   #28 
  - well here we go again. " I would just talk to her and she would sit  okieinpain   Apr-27-05 01:32 AM   #123 
  - Why didn't they call "The Nanny?" That's what they do for all those  hector459   Apr-26-05 02:24 PM   #11 
  - Gee, maybe because it's the parents calling Supernanny.  mondo joe   Apr-26-05 02:29 PM   #14 
  - White children have nannies,  XemaSab   Apr-26-05 02:55 PM   #20 
  - Now, now.... we're acting like there are no poor white kids again  liberalitch   Apr-26-05 03:41 PM   #34 
  - A lot of people seem to have THE answer...  TreasonousBastard   Apr-26-05 02:25 PM   #12 
  - The only option is to call the police?  tjdee   Apr-26-05 04:26 PM   #44 
     - Yes  RobinA   Apr-27-05 10:04 AM   #141 
        - isn't that what school counselors are for?  noiretblu   Apr-27-05 05:19 PM   #166 
  - Posted in another thread.  merh   Apr-26-05 02:26 PM   #13 
  - THANK YOU! Someone is FINALLY getting to the crux of the matter!  chalky   Apr-26-05 09:46 PM   #86 
  - I watched the video again last night  proud2Blib   Apr-26-05 02:29 PM   #15 
  - You cannot be serious. The look in her eyes justified that she be  merh   Apr-26-05 02:44 PM   #18 
  - Beeep sorry.... those of us "on the job" know...  liberalitch   Apr-26-05 03:48 PM   #37 
  - BEEP, sorry, those of us who have had to deal with adults in these  merh   Apr-26-05 04:18 PM   #40 
  - Don't forget the shackling of her legs!  tjdee   Apr-26-05 04:20 PM   #41 
  - This just scares the hell out of me, more so than the look  merh   Apr-26-05 05:35 PM   #45 
     - You're my hero  Horse with no Name   Apr-26-05 06:49 PM   #51 
     - Don't leave the community because a few are so conflicted as  merh   Apr-26-05 07:35 PM   #57 
     - "the look" and "sheer evil"  ultraist   Apr-26-05 07:03 PM   #54 
        - I have worked with guys on death row and siociopaths and  merh   Apr-26-05 07:30 PM   #56 
           - It's scarey.  H2O Man   Apr-26-05 08:24 PM   # 
              - Some of these people should never be around children  merh   Apr-26-05 08:32 PM   #70 
                 - "I believe implicitly that the child  H2O Man   Apr-26-05 08:38 PM   #74 
                    - "Out of the mouth of babes  H2O Man   Apr-26-05 08:41 PM   #75 
                       - "And I will give children  H2O Man   Apr-26-05 08:44 PM   #77 
                          - Amen.  merh   Apr-26-05 08:54 PM   #80 
  - YOu agree with most of what I said in my original post....  liberalitch   Apr-27-05 10:48 AM   #150 
     - Guess you know this is a perfectly healthy five (5) year old.  merh   Apr-27-05 11:15 AM   #157 
  - As another  laylah   Apr-27-05 03:37 AM   #135 
     - In my past experience "the move" takes place....  liberalitch   Apr-27-05 10:45 AM   #148 
  - Watch it  proud2Blib   Apr-26-05 04:07 PM   #38 
  - Are we watching the same tape?  tjdee   Apr-26-05 04:23 PM   #42 
  - The portion they showed on KO last night  proud2Blib   Apr-26-05 06:29 PM   #46 
  - The look of a scared child scares you?  merh   Apr-26-05 04:24 PM   #43 
     - That is not fear  proud2Blib   Apr-26-05 06:33 PM   #48 
     - When being oppressed, assaulted or attacked, fear often  merh   Apr-26-05 06:49 PM   #50 
        - Or maybe she's a little sociopath.  mondo joe   Apr-26-05 06:51 PM   #53 
        - What the hell!  merh   Apr-26-05 07:19 PM   #55 
           - Obviously you didn't see  H2O Man   Apr-26-05 08:21 PM   #65 
           - LOL  merh   Apr-26-05 08:29 PM   #69 
              - At first I thought  H2O Man   Apr-26-05 08:33 PM   #71 
                 - You know, even my parents (who were firm believers that the  merh   Apr-26-05 08:47 PM   #78 
                    - What terrible things  H2O Man   Apr-26-05 08:52 PM   #79 
                       - Fear --  merh   Apr-26-05 08:57 PM   #81 
                          - "Ignorance  H2O Man   Apr-26-05 08:59 PM   #82 
                             - Fear, like ignorance can be overcome.  merh   Apr-26-05 09:15 PM   #83 
           - How many things does she have to throw before it puts other kids at  mondo joe   Apr-26-05 11:27 PM   #88 
              - Go back and watch the video again.  merh   Apr-26-05 11:59 PM   #91 
                 - She was - and she needed to be removed.  mondo joe   Apr-27-05 12:10 AM   #94 
                    - Wrong again!  merh   Apr-27-05 12:22 AM   #96 
                       - A 5 year can indeed be a threat. Unfortunately her mother disallowed any  mondo joe   Apr-27-05 12:35 AM   #99 
                          - Restraint wasn't necessary.  merh   Apr-27-05 12:40 AM   #100 
                             - Sure - we can just have the teacher spend her whole day tending to one  mondo joe   Apr-27-05 12:44 AM   #101 
                             - HELLLLLLOOOOOOOOO  merh   Apr-27-05 01:04 AM   #107 
                             - I have. Frankly, with the full inclusion laws, we have become the  roguevalley   Apr-27-05 12:48 AM   #102 
                                - I'm so appalled at the willingness to hold hostage the interests of the  mondo joe   Apr-27-05 12:57 AM   #103 
                                - Caretakers of idiots?  merh   Apr-27-05 01:02 AM   #105 
                                   - As a parent who doesn't want my kids' education held hostage by  mondo joe   Apr-27-05 01:04 AM   #108 
                                      - The children in that classroom did not have their education held  merh   Apr-27-05 01:08 AM   #111 
                                         - Sure they did - they had their education disrupted by an out of control  mondo joe   Apr-27-05 01:10 AM   #112 
                                         - I saw no attempts to reason with the child.  merh   Apr-27-05 01:13 AM   #114 
                                         - Some reading is helpful:  mondo joe   Apr-27-05 01:16 AM   #117 
                                         - Goody, the spin put out by the school.  merh   Apr-27-05 01:26 AM   #120 
                                         - How many hours should the teacher spend trying to reason w a disturbed  mondo joe   Apr-27-05 01:32 AM   #124 
                                         - I don't know, you tell me.  merh   Apr-27-05 01:34 AM   #126 
                                         - More than half an hour is too much. And my empathy extends to the kids  mondo joe   Apr-27-05 01:39 AM   #128 
                                         - No empathy extends to all.  merh   Apr-27-05 01:53 AM   #133 
                                         - Your empathy can't extend to everyone if you expect the kids to go  mondo joe   Apr-27-05 08:46 AM   #137 
                                         - They did remove the child from the same environment as the other  merh   Apr-27-05 10:31 AM   #147 
        - And why would she be perceiving a threat  proud2Blib   Apr-26-05 08:15 PM   #63 
        - The poor parenting is one of the problems.  merh   Apr-26-05 08:24 PM   #67 
           - I am not going to criticize the cops  proud2Blib   Apr-26-05 08:35 PM   #72 
           - One call out to handle the child is not a "HISTORY".  merh   Apr-26-05 08:41 PM   #76 
           - The school has limited options. It could not restrain her or carry  mondo joe   Apr-26-05 11:29 PM   #89 
           - Wrong  merh   Apr-27-05 12:07 AM   #93 
              - When you learn a bit more about disturbed kids your opinion of  mondo joe   Apr-27-05 12:14 AM   #95 
                 - I know a lot about disturbed kids and adults.  merh   Apr-27-05 12:29 AM   #97 
                    - Here - read about the violent behavior of kids that young:  mondo joe   Apr-27-05 12:33 AM   #98 
                       - I am not informed and have worked with violent children,  merh   Apr-27-05 01:00 AM   #104 
                          - Then you should know a 5 year old can be a threat to other kids,  mondo joe   Apr-27-05 01:02 AM   #106 
                             - Go back and watch the video.  merh   Apr-27-05 01:05 AM   #109 
                                - There's more than just the video in popular release, including her  mondo joe   Apr-27-05 01:07 AM   #110 
                                   - There is no justification for violating this child's civil rights.  merh   Apr-27-05 01:11 AM   #113 
                                      - Her civil rights were not violated no matter how much you say it.  mondo joe   Apr-27-05 01:15 AM   #115 
                                      - Go buy yourself a pair of handcuffs, the type they used on her,  merh   Apr-27-05 01:23 AM   #118 
                                      - If I ever behave in that way, cuffs will be well deserved  mondo joe   Apr-27-05 01:25 AM   #119 
                                      - You have no clue do you.  merh   Apr-27-05 01:32 AM   #122 
                                      - Please tell me, what do you believe to be the minimum age of criminal  mondo joe   Apr-27-05 01:34 AM   #125 
                                      - Your not trying to tell me that it is five are you?  merh   Apr-27-05 01:37 AM   #127 
                                      - YOU are the one saying she can't be arrested legally. You tell me: what  mondo joe   Apr-27-05 01:41 AM   #129 
                                      - You like articles - here ya go.  merh   Apr-27-05 01:47 AM   #130 
                                      - So you are making shit up. Goodnight. When you come up with a legal  mondo joe   Apr-27-05 01:51 AM   #132 
                                      - Read the article, I didn't make it up.  merh   Apr-27-05 01:54 AM   #134 
                                      - The essay you linked to actually says "some states entirely reject formal  mondo joe   Apr-27-05 08:34 AM   #136 
                                      - I have every idea as to what I am talking about.  merh   Apr-27-05 09:20 AM   #138 
                                      - Fine: Tell me the minimum age that a child can be legally arrested in FL.  mondo joe   Apr-27-05 09:23 AM   #139 
                                      - Again, you go read the article.  merh   Apr-27-05 10:09 AM   #142 
                                      - Again, please point out the MINIMUM AGE for a legal arrest in FL.  mondo joe   Apr-27-05 10:16 AM   #145 
                                      - Not tap dancing, I have provided you with the information.  merh   Apr-27-05 10:26 AM   #146 
                                      - No, you didn't provide any mimimum legal age.  mondo joe   Apr-27-05 05:13 PM   #164 
                                      - What Has Any of This  RobinA   Apr-27-05 10:53 AM   #151 
                                      - Go watch the video tape.  merh   Apr-27-05 10:59 AM   #153 
                                      - I'd Be Curious  RobinA   Apr-27-05 10:45 AM   #149 
                                      - This child is not causing a "health concern".  merh   Apr-27-05 11:01 AM   #154 
                                      - Some people are far too removed from the reality of situations  mondo joe   Apr-27-05 05:14 PM   #165 
                                      - I know you are but what am I.  merh   Apr-28-05 03:54 PM   #179 
           - Oh Please  Goblinmonger   Apr-27-05 02:36 PM   #161 
        - I think the hancuffing was wrong  Goblinmonger   Apr-27-05 02:29 PM   #160 
     - OK  GodHelpUsAll2   Apr-27-05 09:15 PM   #172 
     - Five MINUTES or so?  jmowreader   Apr-29-05 08:00 PM   #182 
  - The cops decided she needed to be restrained  proud2Blib   Apr-26-05 06:49 PM   #52 
     - The cops violated the laws.  merh   Apr-26-05 07:48 PM   #58 
     - The cop said  proud2Blib   Apr-26-05 08:01 PM   #60 
        - I would betcha that they are being investigated.  merh   Apr-26-05 08:20 PM   #64 
           - I work with kids like this one every day  proud2Blib   Apr-26-05 08:28 PM   #68 
              - See my post 55 for one of probably a hundred other options  merh   Apr-26-05 08:37 PM   #73 
                 - You are reacting without having all the details  proud2Blib   Apr-26-05 09:27 PM   #84 
                    - It was you that said that the safety of the other children was your  merh   Apr-26-05 09:44 PM   #85 
     - Nonesense, Ma'am  The Magistrate   Apr-27-05 12:07 AM   #92 
  - Nice way to label a child  ernstbass   Apr-27-05 02:42 PM   #162 
  - After viewing both videos - classroom & office - my question was  Sapphire Blue   Apr-26-05 02:41 PM   #17 
  - Again....  RobinA   Apr-27-05 11:07 AM   #156 
     - Can CPS respond with the police?  Sapphire Blue   Apr-28-05 01:57 PM   #178 
  - The police should of 5150'd the child  proud patriot   Apr-26-05 02:45 PM   #19 
  - When someone is 5150'd  XemaSab   Apr-26-05 03:09 PM   #25 
  - Now a 7 year old boy is cuffed?  merh   Apr-26-05 03:09 PM   #24 
  - Another 7 year old boy in my hometown (MA)  semass   Apr-29-05 02:54 PM   #181 
  - If that was my child, she would be grounded until she turns 18.  GumboYaYa   Apr-26-05 03:14 PM   #26 
  - This kid was NOT "freaking out", and the only option is NOT physical.  tjdee   Apr-26-05 03:39 PM   #33 
  - When the kid is throwing things and hitting other people she poses  mondo joe   Apr-26-05 06:33 PM   #47 
     - Until the situation is taken care of.  tjdee   Apr-26-05 08:04 PM   #62 
        - I don't expect teachers to have to be that creative with families like  mondo joe   Apr-26-05 11:33 PM   #90 
  - I am a parent who signed a "Do Not Touch" order repeatedly,  Notorious Bohemian   Apr-26-05 03:46 PM   #36 
  - I have worked with many troubled children...  slor   Apr-26-05 04:09 PM   #39 
  - A voice of reason  Horse with no Name   Apr-26-05 06:37 PM   #49 
  - I just want to say that I'm not at all comfortable with  Eloriel   Apr-26-05 10:55 PM   #87 
  - Pot, meet Kettle  chookie   Apr-27-05 01:48 AM   #131 
  - Great post, and thank you. n/m  enigmatic   Apr-27-05 01:15 AM   #116 
  - well finally a plan that I can agree with. excellent. way better than  okieinpain   Apr-27-05 01:27 AM   #121 
  - the lack of understanding on these threads is astounding  Nigel_Tufnel   Apr-27-05 09:44 AM   #140 
  - No flames from me.  merh   Apr-27-05 10:13 AM   #144 
     - thanks for the nice welcome....  Nigel_Tufnel   Apr-27-05 08:57 PM   #171 
        - Your 2 cents worth is very precious.  merh   Apr-28-05 09:45 AM   #173 
  - Very good post...I agree with you totally  Bo   Apr-27-05 10:09 AM   #143 
  - We're only allowed to say that about white parents now  liberalitch   Apr-27-05 10:56 AM   #152 
     - Seems to me you might have some issues.  merh   Apr-27-05 12:52 PM   #158 
     - "some"  H2O Man   Apr-27-05 01:19 PM   #159 
        - So do you think we can find an island where we can start our own  merh   Apr-27-05 04:39 PM   #163 
        - It's strange.  H2O Man   Apr-27-05 05:27 PM   #168 
           - I will hold strong because of people like you.  merh   Apr-27-05 08:49 PM   #170 
        - no shit...spare me from this reverse pc crap  noiretblu   Apr-27-05 05:30 PM   #169 
     - let's talk about whether or not this action would have been taken  noiretblu   Apr-27-05 05:27 PM   #167 
        - I think a white kid might have been treated this way, too,  tblue37   Apr-28-05 01:54 PM   #177 
           - common sense gets lost  noiretblu   Apr-29-05 01:01 PM   #180 
  - I have to hand it to do you keep your sanity  barb162   Apr-28-05 12:49 PM   #176 

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