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Tue Apr-26-05 02:55 PM
Response to Reply #11 |
| 20. White children have nannies, |
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Children of color have the cops.
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| -Okay,... So I teach "at risk" kids, here's my take on the handcuffed kid. |
liberalitch |
Apr-26-05 01:38 PM |
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Perhaps she didn't want her child touched because there was some |
nothingshocksmeanymore |
Apr-26-05 01:43 PM |
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I don't know all the facts about this particular parent |
lastliberalintexas |
Apr-26-05 02:56 PM |
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your post certainly underscores how multifactorial these problems are |
nothingshocksmeanymore |
Apr-26-05 03:00 PM |
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Yes, I certainly disagree with the cuffing |
lastliberalintexas |
Apr-26-05 03:07 PM |
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The "media-zation" of that, should be taken to court!!! |
Just Me |
Apr-26-05 08:04 PM |
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Any parent who truly cared and wanted to help their child |
proud2Blib |
Apr-26-05 08:22 PM |
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That 5 year old little girl could be autistic or have another behavioral |
bushisanidiot |
Apr-26-05 01:47 PM |
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Oh, of course not but (according to NPR)... |
liberalitch |
Apr-26-05 03:26 PM |
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Ignore the problem is the opposite of what I suggested |
bushisanidiot |
Apr-26-05 03:33 PM |
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I think you have it dead on |
Goblinmonger |
Apr-26-05 01:48 PM |
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Yeah, But |
RobinA |
Apr-26-05 01:52 PM |
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Exactly. School followed the law. |
JNelson6563 |
Apr-26-05 01:59 PM |
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She was already up on the table and attempting to kick the... |
liberalitch |
Apr-26-05 03:28 PM |
#30 |
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Remembering my own school days more than fifty years ago. |
Cleita |
Apr-26-05 01:57 PM |
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If I had behaved the way that child did my mother would have... |
liberalitch |
Apr-26-05 03:31 PM |
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"young man who was arrested for beating up his own mom" |
barb162 |
Apr-28-05 12:42 PM |
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it was pretty much the same with me |
barb162 |
Apr-28-05 12:39 PM |
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I agree with you lib..... |
Catchawave |
Apr-26-05 01:57 PM |
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Isn't it easy to blame the parents. |
passy |
Apr-26-05 02:00 PM |
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Teachers |
RobinA |
Apr-26-05 02:10 PM |
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Okay then... |
formernaderite |
Apr-26-05 02:16 PM |
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Since the mother HERSELF called the police when the kid was 3 |
mondo joe |
Apr-26-05 02:31 PM |
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The child was a frequent cause for police calls when she was three.... |
liberalitch |
Apr-26-05 03:22 PM |
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Sorry for knowing nothing. |
passy |
Apr-26-05 03:41 PM |
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Let Me Check With My Wife |
ProfessorGAC |
Apr-26-05 07:48 PM |
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I didn't say anything about the wife.... what I said was that... |
liberalitch |
Apr-27-05 11:06 AM |
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I have a tough time buying your reasoning..... |
MsTryska |
Apr-26-05 03:24 PM |
#28 |
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well here we go again. " I would just talk to her and she would sit |
okieinpain |
Apr-27-05 01:32 AM |
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Why didn't they call "The Nanny?" That's what they do for all those |
hector459 |
Apr-26-05 02:24 PM |
#11 |
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Gee, maybe because it's the parents calling Supernanny. |
mondo joe |
Apr-26-05 02:29 PM |
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White children have nannies, |
XemaSab |
Apr-26-05 02:55 PM |
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Now, now.... we're acting like there are no poor white kids again |
liberalitch |
Apr-26-05 03:41 PM |
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A lot of people seem to have THE answer... |
TreasonousBastard |
Apr-26-05 02:25 PM |
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The only option is to call the police? |
tjdee |
Apr-26-05 04:26 PM |
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Yes |
RobinA |
Apr-27-05 10:04 AM |
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isn't that what school counselors are for? |
noiretblu |
Apr-27-05 05:19 PM |
#166 |
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Posted in another thread. |
merh |
Apr-26-05 02:26 PM |
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THANK YOU! Someone is FINALLY getting to the crux of the matter! |
chalky |
Apr-26-05 09:46 PM |
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I watched the video again last night |
proud2Blib |
Apr-26-05 02:29 PM |
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You cannot be serious. The look in her eyes justified that she be |
merh |
Apr-26-05 02:44 PM |
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Beeep sorry.... those of us "on the job" know... |
liberalitch |
Apr-26-05 03:48 PM |
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BEEP, sorry, those of us who have had to deal with adults in these |
merh |
Apr-26-05 04:18 PM |
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Don't forget the shackling of her legs! |
tjdee |
Apr-26-05 04:20 PM |
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This just scares the hell out of me, more so than the look |
merh |
Apr-26-05 05:35 PM |
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You're my hero |
Horse with no Name |
Apr-26-05 06:49 PM |
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Don't leave the community because a few are so conflicted as |
merh |
Apr-26-05 07:35 PM |
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"the look" and "sheer evil" |
ultraist |
Apr-26-05 07:03 PM |
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I have worked with guys on death row and siociopaths and |
merh |
Apr-26-05 07:30 PM |
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It's scarey. |
H2O Man |
Apr-26-05 08:24 PM |
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Some of these people should never be around children |
merh |
Apr-26-05 08:32 PM |
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"I believe implicitly that the child |
H2O Man |
Apr-26-05 08:38 PM |
#74 |
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"Out of the mouth of babes |
H2O Man |
Apr-26-05 08:41 PM |
#75 |
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"And I will give children |
H2O Man |
Apr-26-05 08:44 PM |
#77 |
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Amen. |
merh |
Apr-26-05 08:54 PM |
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YOu agree with most of what I said in my original post.... |
liberalitch |
Apr-27-05 10:48 AM |
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Guess you know this is a perfectly healthy five (5) year old. |
merh |
Apr-27-05 11:15 AM |
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As another |
laylah |
Apr-27-05 03:37 AM |
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In my past experience "the move" takes place.... |
liberalitch |
Apr-27-05 10:45 AM |
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Watch it |
proud2Blib |
Apr-26-05 04:07 PM |
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Are we watching the same tape? |
tjdee |
Apr-26-05 04:23 PM |
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The portion they showed on KO last night |
proud2Blib |
Apr-26-05 06:29 PM |
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The look of a scared child scares you? |
merh |
Apr-26-05 04:24 PM |
#43 |
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That is not fear |
proud2Blib |
Apr-26-05 06:33 PM |
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When being oppressed, assaulted or attacked, fear often |
merh |
Apr-26-05 06:49 PM |
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Or maybe she's a little sociopath. |
mondo joe |
Apr-26-05 06:51 PM |
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What the hell! |
merh |
Apr-26-05 07:19 PM |
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Obviously you didn't see |
H2O Man |
Apr-26-05 08:21 PM |
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LOL |
merh |
Apr-26-05 08:29 PM |
#69 |
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At first I thought |
H2O Man |
Apr-26-05 08:33 PM |
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You know, even my parents (who were firm believers that the |
merh |
Apr-26-05 08:47 PM |
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What terrible things |
H2O Man |
Apr-26-05 08:52 PM |
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Fear -- |
merh |
Apr-26-05 08:57 PM |
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"Ignorance |
H2O Man |
Apr-26-05 08:59 PM |
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Fear, like ignorance can be overcome. |
merh |
Apr-26-05 09:15 PM |
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How many things does she have to throw before it puts other kids at |
mondo joe |
Apr-26-05 11:27 PM |
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Go back and watch the video again. |
merh |
Apr-26-05 11:59 PM |
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She was - and she needed to be removed. |
mondo joe |
Apr-27-05 12:10 AM |
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Wrong again! |
merh |
Apr-27-05 12:22 AM |
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A 5 year can indeed be a threat. Unfortunately her mother disallowed any |
mondo joe |
Apr-27-05 12:35 AM |
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Restraint wasn't necessary. |
merh |
Apr-27-05 12:40 AM |
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Sure - we can just have the teacher spend her whole day tending to one |
mondo joe |
Apr-27-05 12:44 AM |
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HELLLLLLOOOOOOOOO |
merh |
Apr-27-05 01:04 AM |
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I have. Frankly, with the full inclusion laws, we have become the |
roguevalley |
Apr-27-05 12:48 AM |
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I'm so appalled at the willingness to hold hostage the interests of the |
mondo joe |
Apr-27-05 12:57 AM |
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Caretakers of idiots? |
merh |
Apr-27-05 01:02 AM |
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As a parent who doesn't want my kids' education held hostage by |
mondo joe |
Apr-27-05 01:04 AM |
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The children in that classroom did not have their education held |
merh |
Apr-27-05 01:08 AM |
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Sure they did - they had their education disrupted by an out of control |
mondo joe |
Apr-27-05 01:10 AM |
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I saw no attempts to reason with the child. |
merh |
Apr-27-05 01:13 AM |
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Some reading is helpful: |
mondo joe |
Apr-27-05 01:16 AM |
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Goody, the spin put out by the school. |
merh |
Apr-27-05 01:26 AM |
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How many hours should the teacher spend trying to reason w a disturbed |
mondo joe |
Apr-27-05 01:32 AM |
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I don't know, you tell me. |
merh |
Apr-27-05 01:34 AM |
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More than half an hour is too much. And my empathy extends to the kids |
mondo joe |
Apr-27-05 01:39 AM |
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No empathy extends to all. |
merh |
Apr-27-05 01:53 AM |
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Your empathy can't extend to everyone if you expect the kids to go |
mondo joe |
Apr-27-05 08:46 AM |
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They did remove the child from the same environment as the other |
merh |
Apr-27-05 10:31 AM |
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And why would she be perceiving a threat |
proud2Blib |
Apr-26-05 08:15 PM |
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The poor parenting is one of the problems. |
merh |
Apr-26-05 08:24 PM |
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I am not going to criticize the cops |
proud2Blib |
Apr-26-05 08:35 PM |
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One call out to handle the child is not a "HISTORY". |
merh |
Apr-26-05 08:41 PM |
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The school has limited options. It could not restrain her or carry |
mondo joe |
Apr-26-05 11:29 PM |
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Wrong |
merh |
Apr-27-05 12:07 AM |
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When you learn a bit more about disturbed kids your opinion of |
mondo joe |
Apr-27-05 12:14 AM |
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I know a lot about disturbed kids and adults. |
merh |
Apr-27-05 12:29 AM |
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Here - read about the violent behavior of kids that young: |
mondo joe |
Apr-27-05 12:33 AM |
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I am not informed and have worked with violent children, |
merh |
Apr-27-05 01:00 AM |
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Then you should know a 5 year old can be a threat to other kids, |
mondo joe |
Apr-27-05 01:02 AM |
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Go back and watch the video. |
merh |
Apr-27-05 01:05 AM |
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There's more than just the video in popular release, including her |
mondo joe |
Apr-27-05 01:07 AM |
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There is no justification for violating this child's civil rights. |
merh |
Apr-27-05 01:11 AM |
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Her civil rights were not violated no matter how much you say it. |
mondo joe |
Apr-27-05 01:15 AM |
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Go buy yourself a pair of handcuffs, the type they used on her, |
merh |
Apr-27-05 01:23 AM |
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If I ever behave in that way, cuffs will be well deserved |
mondo joe |
Apr-27-05 01:25 AM |
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You have no clue do you. |
merh |
Apr-27-05 01:32 AM |
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Please tell me, what do you believe to be the minimum age of criminal |
mondo joe |
Apr-27-05 01:34 AM |
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Your not trying to tell me that it is five are you? |
merh |
Apr-27-05 01:37 AM |
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YOU are the one saying she can't be arrested legally. You tell me: what |
mondo joe |
Apr-27-05 01:41 AM |
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You like articles - here ya go. |
merh |
Apr-27-05 01:47 AM |
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So you are making shit up. Goodnight. When you come up with a legal |
mondo joe |
Apr-27-05 01:51 AM |
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Read the article, I didn't make it up. |
merh |
Apr-27-05 01:54 AM |
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The essay you linked to actually says "some states entirely reject formal |
mondo joe |
Apr-27-05 08:34 AM |
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I have every idea as to what I am talking about. |
merh |
Apr-27-05 09:20 AM |
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Fine: Tell me the minimum age that a child can be legally arrested in FL. |
mondo joe |
Apr-27-05 09:23 AM |
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Again, you go read the article. |
merh |
Apr-27-05 10:09 AM |
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Again, please point out the MINIMUM AGE for a legal arrest in FL. |
mondo joe |
Apr-27-05 10:16 AM |
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Not tap dancing, I have provided you with the information. |
merh |
Apr-27-05 10:26 AM |
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No, you didn't provide any mimimum legal age. |
mondo joe |
Apr-27-05 05:13 PM |
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What Has Any of This |
RobinA |
Apr-27-05 10:53 AM |
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Go watch the video tape. |
merh |
Apr-27-05 10:59 AM |
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I'd Be Curious |
RobinA |
Apr-27-05 10:45 AM |
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This child is not causing a "health concern". |
merh |
Apr-27-05 11:01 AM |
#154 |
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Some people are far too removed from the reality of situations |
mondo joe |
Apr-27-05 05:14 PM |
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I know you are but what am I. |
merh |
Apr-28-05 03:54 PM |
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Oh Please |
Goblinmonger |
Apr-27-05 02:36 PM |
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I think the hancuffing was wrong |
Goblinmonger |
Apr-27-05 02:29 PM |
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OK |
GodHelpUsAll2 |
Apr-27-05 09:15 PM |
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Five MINUTES or so? |
jmowreader |
Apr-29-05 08:00 PM |
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The cops decided she needed to be restrained |
proud2Blib |
Apr-26-05 06:49 PM |
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The cops violated the laws. |
merh |
Apr-26-05 07:48 PM |
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The cop said |
proud2Blib |
Apr-26-05 08:01 PM |
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I would betcha that they are being investigated. |
merh |
Apr-26-05 08:20 PM |
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I work with kids like this one every day |
proud2Blib |
Apr-26-05 08:28 PM |
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See my post 55 for one of probably a hundred other options |
merh |
Apr-26-05 08:37 PM |
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You are reacting without having all the details |
proud2Blib |
Apr-26-05 09:27 PM |
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It was you that said that the safety of the other children was your |
merh |
Apr-26-05 09:44 PM |
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Nonesense, Ma'am |
The Magistrate |
Apr-27-05 12:07 AM |
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Nice way to label a child |
ernstbass |
Apr-27-05 02:42 PM |
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After viewing both videos - classroom & office - my question was |
Sapphire Blue |
Apr-26-05 02:41 PM |
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Again.... |
RobinA |
Apr-27-05 11:07 AM |
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Can CPS respond with the police? |
Sapphire Blue |
Apr-28-05 01:57 PM |
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The police should of 5150'd the child |
proud patriot |
Apr-26-05 02:45 PM |
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When someone is 5150'd |
XemaSab |
Apr-26-05 03:09 PM |
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Now a 7 year old boy is cuffed? |
merh |
Apr-26-05 03:09 PM |
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Another 7 year old boy in my hometown (MA) |
semass |
Apr-29-05 02:54 PM |
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If that was my child, she would be grounded until she turns 18. |
GumboYaYa |
Apr-26-05 03:14 PM |
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This kid was NOT "freaking out", and the only option is NOT physical. |
tjdee |
Apr-26-05 03:39 PM |
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When the kid is throwing things and hitting other people she poses |
mondo joe |
Apr-26-05 06:33 PM |
#47 |
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Until the situation is taken care of. |
tjdee |
Apr-26-05 08:04 PM |
#62 |
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I don't expect teachers to have to be that creative with families like |
mondo joe |
Apr-26-05 11:33 PM |
#90 |
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I am a parent who signed a "Do Not Touch" order repeatedly, |
Notorious Bohemian |
Apr-26-05 03:46 PM |
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I have worked with many troubled children... |
slor |
Apr-26-05 04:09 PM |
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A voice of reason |
Horse with no Name |
Apr-26-05 06:37 PM |
#49 |
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I just want to say that I'm not at all comfortable with |
Eloriel |
Apr-26-05 10:55 PM |
#87 |
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Pot, meet Kettle |
chookie |
Apr-27-05 01:48 AM |
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Great post, and thank you. n/m |
enigmatic |
Apr-27-05 01:15 AM |
#116 |
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well finally a plan that I can agree with. excellent. way better than |
okieinpain |
Apr-27-05 01:27 AM |
#121 |
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the lack of understanding on these threads is astounding |
Nigel_Tufnel |
Apr-27-05 09:44 AM |
#140 |
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No flames from me. |
merh |
Apr-27-05 10:13 AM |
#144 |
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thanks for the nice welcome.... |
Nigel_Tufnel |
Apr-27-05 08:57 PM |
#171 |
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Your 2 cents worth is very precious. |
merh |
Apr-28-05 09:45 AM |
#173 |
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Very good post...I agree with you totally |
Bo |
Apr-27-05 10:09 AM |
#143 |
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We're only allowed to say that about white parents now |
liberalitch |
Apr-27-05 10:56 AM |
#152 |
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Seems to me you might have some issues. |
merh |
Apr-27-05 12:52 PM |
#158 |
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"some" |
H2O Man |
Apr-27-05 01:19 PM |
#159 |
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So do you think we can find an island where we can start our own |
merh |
Apr-27-05 04:39 PM |
#163 |
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It's strange. |
H2O Man |
Apr-27-05 05:27 PM |
#168 |
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I will hold strong because of people like you. |
merh |
Apr-27-05 08:49 PM |
#170 |
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no shit...spare me from this reverse pc crap |
noiretblu |
Apr-27-05 05:30 PM |
#169 |
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let's talk about whether or not this action would have been taken |
noiretblu |
Apr-27-05 05:27 PM |
#167 |
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I think a white kid might have been treated this way, too, |
tblue37 |
Apr-28-05 01:54 PM |
#177 |
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common sense gets lost |
noiretblu |
Apr-29-05 01:01 PM |
#180 |
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I have to hand it to you...how do you keep your sanity |
barb162 |
Apr-28-05 12:49 PM |
#176 |
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