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74. there are more than a few gays who actually don't believe marriage is for
gays. My aunt and her partner refuse to get married even when they were in Canada due to the feeling it was a patriarcial institution that they wanted no part of.
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  -Maybe Gay People Should Just Reclaim All The Artwork At The Vatican ruggerson  Apr-22-05 07:59 PM   #0 
  - I like that idea, quite appropriate methinks!  femme.democratique   Apr-22-05 08:00 PM   #1 
  - Ol' Michelangelo one a dem der queers, you say  LittleClarkie   Apr-22-05 08:05 PM   #2 
  - But Michael never asked to marry a gay. So his art can remain.  hector459   Apr-22-05 09:33 PM   #80 
  - Brilliant!!!!! recommending.....  dhinojosa   Apr-22-05 08:08 PM   #3 
  - I love that suggestion.... eom  bloom   Apr-22-05 08:10 PM   #4 
  - Will they return the money the were paid?  Cuban_Liberal   Apr-22-05 08:11 PM   #5 
  - Dunno about you  ruggerson   Apr-22-05 08:15 PM   #7 
  - I fail to see it as relevant.  Cuban_Liberal   Apr-22-05 08:16 PM   #9 
  - Of course it is relevent  dsc   Apr-22-05 08:19 PM   #12 
  - Oh, please  Cuban_Liberal   Apr-22-05 08:20 PM   #14 
     - Just what does intrinicly evil mean then?  dsc   Apr-22-05 08:21 PM   #17 
     - Actually, it's a fairly STRONG argument  kgfnally   Apr-22-05 11:29 PM   #117 
  - Maybe you fail to see it's relevance  ruggerson   Apr-22-05 08:20 PM   #16 
  - I'm gay and Catholic.  Cuban_Liberal   Apr-22-05 08:27 PM   #21 
     - I define discrimination  ruggerson   Apr-22-05 08:30 PM   #24 
     - We're not 'eternally cast out'.  Cuban_Liberal   Apr-22-05 08:31 PM   #26 
        - Are you trying to defend the Church's position on homosexuality?  ruggerson   Apr-22-05 08:33 PM   #30 
        - I say what I say.  Cuban_Liberal   Apr-22-05 08:35 PM   #32 
           - You asked me how the church discriminates  ruggerson   Apr-22-05 08:38 PM   #37 
           - No, I don't think it does.  Cuban_Liberal   Apr-22-05 08:41 PM   #39 
              - Do you think the pursuit of happiness is a human right?  ruggerson   Apr-22-05 08:42 PM   #41 
              - That's pretty broad.  Cuban_Liberal   Apr-22-05 08:44 PM   #44 
                 - It's pretty self explanatory  ruggerson   Apr-22-05 08:50 PM   #51 
                    - Does the Catholic Church oppose tHose?  Cuban_Liberal   Apr-22-05 08:53 PM   #54 
                    - Yep  ruggerson   Apr-22-05 08:59 PM   #63 
                    - I think it's their right, yes.  Cuban_Liberal   Apr-22-05 09:00 PM   #64 
                       - But you asked how they support discrimination  ruggerson   Apr-22-05 09:23 PM   #76 
                          - And here the conversation comes to an end, it seems.  Zenlitened   Apr-22-05 09:40 PM   #86 
                          - Obviously, I agree with you  ruggerson   Apr-22-05 09:56 PM   #88 
                          - #88 is meant to be a reply to you, Zen n/t  ruggerson   Apr-22-05 09:57 PM   #89 
                          - Yep. Got it. Looks like the board software has just run out of room...  Zenlitened   Apr-22-05 10:04 PM   #94 
                    - They most certainly do  dsc   Apr-22-05 09:09 PM   #70 
                    - 450? try over 1000  benevolent dictator   Apr-22-05 11:07 PM   #114 
              - even if you don't  dsc   Apr-22-05 08:45 PM   #46 
              - Such as?  Cuban_Liberal   Apr-22-05 08:46 PM   #49 
                 - Here is a link to several  dsc   Apr-22-05 08:54 PM   #57 
                    - Deleted message  Name removed   Apr-22-05 08:57 PM   #60 
                       - Whether she does or doesn't  dsc   Apr-22-05 09:07 PM   #68 
                       - If the Catholic school uses a penny of my tax dollars at any point,  kgfnally   Apr-22-05 11:51 PM   #120 
              - 1,400 legal rights accompany marriage  gollygee   Apr-22-05 08:53 PM   #55 
              - apparently, you don't think sexual intimacy a right either?  Donailin   Apr-22-05 09:01 PM   #65 
              - I'm out of this anti-Catholic echo chamber.  Cuban_Liberal   Apr-22-05 09:02 PM   #66 
                 - It sounds more like an anti-gay echo chamber to me. - n/t  Zenlitened   Apr-22-05 09:20 PM   #73 
                 - No one is anti Catholic  ruggerson   Apr-22-05 09:37 PM   #84 
                 - Run, runaway! Brave SirCuban!  Donailin   Apr-22-05 09:59 PM   #90 
                 - Deleted message  Name removed   Apr-22-05 10:08 PM   #99 
                    - I think that's the first unambiguous insult in this thread, isn't it?  Zenlitened   Apr-22-05 10:10 PM   #100 
                    - Deleted message  Name removed   Apr-22-05 10:11 PM   #101 
                       - But you did ask me about discrimination  ruggerson   Apr-22-05 10:13 PM   #103 
                       - Excuse me--- no tag teams.  Cuban_Liberal   Apr-22-05 10:15 PM   #104 
                       - I assure you I'm not a part of a tag-team.  Zenlitened   Apr-22-05 10:21 PM   #106 
                       - I haven't tag teamed with anyone  ruggerson   Apr-22-05 10:22 PM   #107 
                       - Intellectually dishonest  Donailin   Apr-22-05 11:00 PM   #113 
                       - That should tell you something. eom  donco6   Apr-23-05 11:48 AM   #143 
                       - Well, I think I do understand written English.  Zenlitened   Apr-22-05 10:18 PM   #105 
                          - This Is A Perfect Example Of Being A CAFETERIA CATHOLIC  arwalden   Apr-23-05 07:51 AM   #129 
                    - You run away from the content of the debate when it becomes  Donailin   Apr-22-05 10:41 PM   #109 
                    - Now there's a 'gotcha' post!  readmoreoften   Apr-22-05 10:52 PM   #111 
                       - I hope so too  Donailin   Apr-22-05 11:22 PM   #115 
                    - Your psuedo orthodoxy is not only  Donailin   Apr-22-05 10:48 PM   #110 
                 - But where does the Church stand on echo chambers?  Old Crusoe   Apr-22-05 11:26 PM   #116 
                 - thank you, very well said n/t  ruggerson   Apr-22-05 11:46 PM   #119 
                 - Sorry To See You Go. You Need To Think About These Things!  DistressedAmerican   Apr-23-05 07:48 AM   #127 
                 - Golly, why is it that you consider every valid criticism anti-catholic?  Misunderestimator   Apr-23-05 09:42 AM   #137 
              - What a surprise. You don't consider marriage a "right."  Misunderestimator   Apr-23-05 09:39 AM   #135 
           - No, they don't, BUT...  foreigncorrespondent   Apr-22-05 10:13 PM   #102 
        - Please. The Church's position on homsexuality is that  Donailin   Apr-22-05 08:58 PM   #61 
     - You are kidding, right?  dsc   Apr-22-05 08:33 PM   #29 
     - My First Thought As Well... But Sadly, The Evidence Says Otherwise  arwalden   Apr-23-05 09:30 AM   #132 
     - "How does the Chcrh advocate discrimination against gays"  Zenlitened   Apr-22-05 08:43 PM   #42 
     - An openly self-hated gay person.  readmoreoften   Apr-22-05 08:50 PM   #50 
     - Thank you, Dr.Freud.  Cuban_Liberal   Apr-22-05 08:51 PM   #52 
        - Deleted message  Name removed   Apr-22-05 08:54 PM   #56 
           - That's my thought as well. That this line of argument is just meant...  Zenlitened   Apr-22-05 08:56 PM   #59 
           - Think whatever the hell you want.  Cuban_Liberal   Apr-22-05 08:58 PM   #62 
              - At least recognize that in the eyes of the Church that you so rigorously  Donailin   Apr-22-05 09:04 PM   #67 
              - Technically, is it possible to be gay AND catholic?  Zenlitened   Apr-22-05 09:35 PM   #81 
                 - only if you beleive that the Church is Rome  Donailin   Apr-22-05 10:02 PM   #92 
              - Do You Go To Church With Your Partner? Are You Out There?  DistressedAmerican   Apr-23-05 07:55 AM   #130 
              - Uh. Marriage?  donco6   Apr-23-05 11:50 AM   #144 
     - Uh, didn't the last pope just refer to homosexuality as an "evil"?  tuvor   Apr-22-05 10:05 PM   #96 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Apr-22-05 08:22 PM   #18 
     - I'm not.  Cuban_Liberal   Apr-22-05 08:28 PM   #22 
     - No, not on this particular thread. I take that back.  readmoreoften   Apr-22-05 08:40 PM   #38 
     - Maybe you could explain why you hate gays and lesbians so much.  Zenlitened   Apr-22-05 08:43 PM   #43 
        - I don't.  Cuban_Liberal   Apr-22-05 08:46 PM   #47 
        - It's a response to seeing so many patently absurd statements.  Zenlitened   Apr-22-05 08:52 PM   #53 
           - It's actually a serious question.  Cuban_Liberal   Apr-22-05 08:55 PM   #58 
              - No one is asking you to 'intrinsically' understand something.  Zenlitened   Apr-22-05 09:10 PM   #71 
              - there are more than a few gays who actually don't believe marriage is for  dsc   Apr-22-05 09:21 PM   #74 
                 - I don't imagine they advocate denying all gays and lesbians...  Zenlitened   Apr-22-05 09:22 PM   #75 
                 - my aunt, no  dsc   Apr-22-05 09:26 PM   #77 
                    - Some of it is internalized homophobia  readmoreoften   Apr-22-05 09:31 PM   #78 
                    - The only explanation that makes sense to me would be that...  Zenlitened   Apr-22-05 09:31 PM   #79 
                    - No real polls can't be freeped  dsc   Apr-22-05 09:35 PM   #82 
                       - I understand. I'm just envisioning someone agreeing to take a poll...  Zenlitened   Apr-22-05 09:50 PM   #87 
                          - zealotry can be hard to understand  dsc   Apr-23-05 06:38 AM   #124 
                    - Wow... and we seem to have our own little poster child for that 17%  Misunderestimator   Apr-23-05 09:49 AM   #139 
                 - Well, the point is to have a CHOICE  theHandpuppet   Apr-23-05 07:42 AM   #125 
                    - I certainly agree with that notion  dsc   Apr-23-05 12:03 PM   #146 
              - I'm so sorry, Cuban_Liberal...  WillowTree   Apr-22-05 10:01 PM   #91 
                 - How has he been shown intolerance?  ruggerson   Apr-22-05 10:06 PM   #98 
                 - Fairly civil, yes, and the points raised about the Church --  Old Crusoe   Apr-22-05 11:44 PM   #118 
                 - Deleted message  Name removed   Apr-23-05 08:50 AM   #131 
                 - But aren't we all here on DU to discuss, debate and... when necessary...  Zenlitened   Apr-22-05 10:26 PM   #108 
                 - Victim of other gays? OH PLEASE. n/t  readmoreoften   Apr-22-05 10:54 PM   #112 
                 - Now that is ridiculous.  BBradley   Apr-23-05 12:45 AM   #122 
                 - Oh please  theHandpuppet   Apr-23-05 07:43 AM   #126 
                 - LOL... Poor thing, came here to flame a perfectly good thread...  Misunderestimator   Apr-23-05 09:50 AM   #140 
                 - The convoluted logic is a bit much, no?  ruggerson   Apr-23-05 11:41 AM   #142 
                 - You've gotta be kidding.  donco6   Apr-23-05 11:52 AM   #145 
                 - What intolerance?  miss_kitty   Apr-24-05 03:41 PM   #148 
        - That was blunter. n/t  readmoreoften   Apr-22-05 08:46 PM   #48 
     - not to nitpick but it's disordered not evil  Donailin   Apr-22-05 09:07 PM   #69 
  - actually, it's intrinisically disordered  Donailin   Apr-22-05 08:32 PM   #27 
     - Actually, it's intrinsically oriented to a moral evil.  readmoreoften   Apr-22-05 08:45 PM   #45 
        - no doubt. n/t  Donailin   Apr-22-05 10:03 PM   #93 
  - well they're dead  miss_kitty   Apr-22-05 08:16 PM   #8 
     - 'Ownership'  Cuban_Liberal   Apr-22-05 08:17 PM   #10 
     - whatever  miss_kitty   Apr-22-05 08:20 PM   #15 
     - You're puzzled?  Cuban_Liberal   Apr-22-05 08:23 PM   #19 
     - hey! nice assumption you make about me...  miss_kitty   Apr-22-05 08:31 PM   #25 
     - No, it ISN'T what we do.  Cuban_Liberal   Apr-22-05 08:33 PM   #31 
        - well you seem to have missed one important fact:  miss_kitty   Apr-22-05 09:36 PM   #83 
     - No, no, honey, You are evil homosexuals...  Misunderestimator   Apr-23-05 10:11 AM   #141 
     - What's interesting  Dave Sund   Apr-22-05 08:25 PM   #20 
        - Don't forget masturbation. That's disordered too.  Donailin   Apr-22-05 08:37 PM   #36 
           - I am so stealing this line  Solly Mack   Apr-23-05 07:51 AM   #128 
  - Get the Keenes to paint the ceiling with the wide eye moppets  miss_kitty   Apr-22-05 08:14 PM   #6 
  - And maybe they can trade Michelangelo's "Pieta"  ocelot   Apr-22-05 08:19 PM   #13 
  - Brilliant. I think it is not only the Sistine Chapel but also the Pieta  applegrove   Apr-22-05 08:18 PM   #11 
  - Hullo! Amajority of the old bastards are gay people claiming the art.  Donailin   Apr-22-05 08:29 PM   #23 
  - Stand up and fight so that future generations  walldude   Apr-22-05 08:35 PM   #35 
     - I already did today, I will tomorrow and  Donailin   Apr-22-05 08:42 PM   #40 
        - Well then I've got your back  walldude   Apr-22-05 09:18 PM   #72 
           - Five more  Donailin   Apr-22-05 10:05 PM   #97 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Apr-22-05 08:32 PM   #28 
  - Gotta go  miss_kitty   Apr-22-05 08:35 PM   #33 
  - I had the same thought a while ago!  Placebo   Apr-22-05 08:35 PM   #34 
  - this will annoy some- but aren't there a lot of closeted gays  kineneb   Apr-22-05 09:40 PM   #85 
  - Nonsense. All the Sistene Chapel needs is a fresh coat of white paint.  HypnoToad   Apr-22-05 10:04 PM   #95 
  - Ruggerson, I am responding as a deep admirer of --  Old Crusoe   Apr-23-05 12:00 AM   #121 
  - Wooohhoooo nominating!  lonestarnot   Apr-23-05 12:46 AM   #123 
  - What a BRILLIANT thought! Thanks for putting THAT in perspective.  Misunderestimator   Apr-23-05 09:33 AM   #133 
  - You enter a thread thinking it couldn't possibly be a flame war...  Misunderestimator   Apr-23-05 09:35 AM   #134 
     - So... Did You Learn Your Lesson?  arwalden   Apr-23-05 09:41 AM   #136 
     - No... I never do... I still manage to hold out hope for reason...  Misunderestimator   Apr-23-05 09:44 AM   #138 
     - I am not "the usual suspects" in a flame war  miss_kitty   Apr-24-05 03:26 PM   #147 
 

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