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UdoKier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-05 01:33 PM
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7. I have to agree. I can handle "illegal" since they are in fact illegal
But "third worlder" is unnecessarily disparaging. I grew up around nothing but Mexicans in El Paso, many of them illegal. I worked with many of them in California. And despite being poor and brown, I was STUNNED by how much better educated a lot of these younger recent Mexican immigrants were than I or my white counterparts. They didn't take their education for granted as I had, because it is not a given in Mexico. They were also very politically astute.

If anyone is a "third worlder" it's the throngs of apathetic white suburbanites who sit idly as our country is being destroyed.

FWIW, I personally agree with tightening border enforcement and deporting illegals. But I vehemently reject race-baiting or blaming them for the forces that brought them here.

If rich WHITE assholes weren't knowingly hiring illegals to work for slave wages, there would be no problem.
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  -I oppose third worlders flooding into the country to take jobs norml  Apr-16-05 01:16 PM   #0 
  - there is actually evidence, with you know...facts, and statistics  mark414   Apr-16-05 01:17 PM   #1 
  - Yes, you go find that.  norml   Apr-16-05 01:24 PM   #4 
  - this has some good basic info  mark414   Apr-16-05 01:28 PM   #5 
  - Julian Simon? Senior Fellow at the CATO Institute Julian Simon?  norml   Apr-16-05 01:48 PM   #13 
     - Good catch! n/t  QC   Apr-16-05 02:08 PM   #33 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Apr-16-05 02:14 PM   #37 
        - "xenophobic race baiting"? Nonsense!  norml   Apr-16-05 02:18 PM   #44 
           - Using that terminology clearly brings race into it.  UdoKier   Apr-16-05 02:21 PM   #48 
           - If I used the word "illegal" it wouldn't cover "Guest Workers".  norml   Apr-16-05 02:32 PM   #56 
              - Fine, then say "laborers from poor countries"  UdoKier   Apr-16-05 02:35 PM   #60 
                 - "Fine, then say "laborers from poor countries"" I wish I had. I will now.  norml   Apr-16-05 02:42 PM   #68 
           - how many white "third worlders" are there?  mark414   Apr-16-05 02:28 PM   #53 
              - I don't know. How many non white first worlders are there?  norml   Apr-16-05 02:35 PM   #59 
                 - ...  mark414   Apr-16-05 02:38 PM   #63 
  - Third Worlders....  bvar22   Apr-16-05 02:08 PM   #32 
  - It's a putdown.  UdoKier   Apr-16-05 02:17 PM   #43 
  - I have to agree. I can handle "illegal" since they are in fact illegal  UdoKier   Apr-16-05 01:33 PM   #7 
     - Let me guess, you don't think they should be allowed to vote here  chomskyite_naderite   Apr-16-05 01:54 PM   #17 
        - So it's my fault?  UdoKier   Apr-16-05 02:01 PM   #21 
           - taxation without representation  chomskyite_naderite   Apr-16-05 02:03 PM   #22 
           - I don't expect them to pay taxes, either.  UdoKier   Apr-16-05 02:07 PM   #29 
           - that's the price you pay for entering illegally.  utopiansecretagent   Apr-16-05 02:07 PM   #30 
           - precisely.  utopiansecretagent   Apr-16-05 02:04 PM   #26 
           - And how do you propose we enforce the border?  proud2Blib   Apr-16-05 02:37 PM   #61 
           - Enforcing the border isn't the End of problem. That's my whole point.  norml   Apr-16-05 03:03 PM   #78 
  - Scapegoating Example  Itsthetruth   Apr-16-05 01:20 PM   #2 
  - Yes, they are in fact stealing jobs from me.  norml   Apr-16-05 01:40 PM   #9 
  - You are angry at the wrong people  Book Lover   Apr-16-05 01:51 PM   #15 
     - I'm saying, for example, meatpacking used to be a good job in Nebraska.  norml   Apr-16-05 02:08 PM   #34 
  - it's both actually...  utopiansecretagent   Apr-16-05 01:45 PM   #10 
  - Or, you could build solidarity with the migrants to raise wages for all.  Tierra_y_Libertad   Apr-16-05 01:23 PM   #3 
  - Exactly.  Cleita   Apr-16-05 01:47 PM   #11 
  - But if labor in this country unites all the workers in a common cause  Melynn   Apr-16-05 02:06 PM   #28 
     - They can't move all the jobs, no matter how hard they try.  Cleita   Apr-16-05 02:15 PM   #40 
        - They can't move all of the jobs but they sure would like to.  Melynn   Apr-16-05 02:37 PM   #62 
  - legal and illegal immigrants are not allowed to vote  chomskyite_naderite   Apr-16-05 01:58 PM   #19 
  - You lost me at "third worlders" nt  nonconformist   Apr-16-05 01:30 PM   #6 
  - Would "first worlders" be more acceptable or, is  Cleita   Apr-16-05 01:38 PM   #8 
  - Austrian body builders are acceptable.  Tierra_y_Libertad   Apr-16-05 01:47 PM   #12 
  - Speaking of Ahssnold. He entered this country on  Cleita   Apr-16-05 01:50 PM   #14 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Apr-16-05 01:53 PM   #16 
     - I am underwhelmed by your personal attack.  norml   Apr-16-05 01:59 PM   #20 
        - you might have better used "illegal immigrants"  utopiansecretagent   Apr-16-05 02:20 PM   #47 
        - So why call them Third Worlders ?You were able to identify them as  KlatooBNikto   Apr-16-05 02:27 PM   #52 
           - Yes, well I've now decided to use the term "Workers From Poorer Countries"  norml   Apr-16-05 03:27 PM   #87 
  - Bush's Guest Worker Program would create a second class slave status  norml   Apr-16-05 01:57 PM   #18 
     - Don't Fall For Racist Scapegoating  Itsthetruth   Apr-16-05 02:04 PM   #25 
     - sorry - the idea of trying to organize workers who are basically...  laura888   Apr-16-05 02:08 PM   #31 
     - Who's fooled by the Minuteman? I said in my OP what nonsense that is.  norml   Apr-16-05 02:15 PM   #41 
     - Wrong.Many well qualified people from India, Phillippines and other  KlatooBNikto   Apr-16-05 02:05 PM   #27 
     - "competitiveness in world markets"  QC   Apr-16-05 02:19 PM   #45 
     - We're sinking into 3rd world status because of corporate greed.  Tierra_y_Libertad   Apr-16-05 02:11 PM   #36 
  - OK - I'm going to come out in full support of your statement  laura888   Apr-16-05 02:03 PM   #23 
  - Don't worry, our jobs are just being sent to third world countries  LynneSin   Apr-16-05 02:03 PM   #24 
  - Cheap Labor Cons need to be forced to pay higher wages!  B Calm   Apr-16-05 02:10 PM   #35 
  - I strongly disagree  BigTentDemocrat   Apr-16-05 02:14 PM   #38 
  - Why don't you at least change the "third worlder" wording?  UdoKier   Apr-16-05 02:14 PM   #39 
  - I can see an effort getting started here to have this thread locked  norml   Apr-16-05 02:26 PM   #51 
     - It is ugly, and I'm no PC'er  UdoKier   Apr-16-05 02:29 PM   #54 
        - OK, I'm changing my language to "Laborers From Poorer Countries".  norml   Apr-16-05 02:45 PM   #71 
  - Let me remind you that John Chambers, CEO of Cisco recently stated that  KlatooBNikto   Apr-16-05 02:16 PM   #42 
  - Or even $20/hr...  HypnoToad   Apr-16-05 02:19 PM   #46 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Apr-16-05 02:23 PM   #49 
  - Yep... we don't need no third-worlders here.  Misunderestimator   Apr-16-05 02:25 PM   #50 
  - well said  mark414   Apr-16-05 02:33 PM   #57 
  - So...if we open the borders to anyone who wants to come...  laura888   Apr-16-05 02:34 PM   #58 
     - you don't know me  cleofus1   Apr-16-05 02:39 PM   #64 
        - No. It's not a leap to assume...  laura888   Apr-16-05 02:40 PM   #65 
           - Deleted message  Name removed   Apr-16-05 02:41 PM   #66 
              - didn't answer my question  laura888   Apr-16-05 02:42 PM   #67 
                 - i'm waiting....  cleofus1   Apr-16-05 02:44 PM   #70 
                    - still didn't answer my question n/t  laura888   Apr-16-05 02:46 PM   #72 
                       - if they can find another mexican  cleofus1   Apr-16-05 02:49 PM   #73 
                          - hmmm.... where did "lazy" come into the conversation?  laura888   Apr-16-05 02:51 PM   #74 
                             - soooo miss  cleofus1   Apr-16-05 02:55 PM   #76 
                                - you still did not address my points  laura888   Apr-16-05 03:04 PM   #79 
  - Stop blaming the poor for what the rich have done.  Octafish   Apr-16-05 02:29 PM   #55 
  - lost your job picking stoop crops?  KG   Apr-16-05 02:44 PM   #69 
  - We have combines for that here. It's the meat packing plant  norml   Apr-16-05 02:52 PM   #75 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Apr-16-05 02:56 PM   #77 
        - Deleted message  Name removed   Apr-16-05 03:08 PM   #81 
        - and people with no teeth are picking your fruit  cleofus1   Apr-16-05 03:13 PM   #82 
        - Oh, and by the way, I got an education.  norml   Apr-16-05 03:17 PM   #83 
           - everyone has problems  cleofus1   Apr-16-05 03:19 PM   #84 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Apr-16-05 03:06 PM   #80 
  - Take it to Ask the Administrators.  Cleita   Apr-16-05 03:24 PM   #85 
     - i did...  cleofus1   Apr-16-05 03:27 PM   #86 
  - Locking  Moderator   Apr-16-05 03:32 PM   #88 

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