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Fri Apr-15-05 11:42 AM
Response to Reply #39 |
| 42. Nobody has ever said as much as "there are unanswered questions," |
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Edited on Fri Apr-15-05 11:51 AM by Lone Pawn
even before the Iraq invasion.
Also, the standard theory does have evidence. There were two planes that flew into the world trade center with known Al-Qaeda operatives on board, the blackbox recorded a hijacking taking place, and there was quite a bit of chatter before the invasion, though nobody put it together. Every expert has sworn up and down that this is the entire story, be they federal employees or independent investigators. It seems a pretty solid theory.
I don't trust the administration, don't get me wrong. But I don't distrust them to the extent that if there's water falling from the sky and they tell me it's raining, I assume that there are airplanes above cloud level dropping a slow-acting toxin over the city of Chicago to kill off all our liberals.
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| -When someone labels another person's ideas as a Conspiracy Theory, |
KlatooBNikto |
Apr-15-05 10:37 AM |
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its marginalizing the issue without addressing it. |
Lerkfish |
Apr-15-05 10:41 AM |
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Yeah, I'm real damn afraid of the Clinton-murders conspiracy theories. |
Lone Pawn |
Apr-15-05 10:55 AM |
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I am not talking about these kinds of theories.I am referring to ideas |
KlatooBNikto |
Apr-15-05 11:04 AM |
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Oh, I see. They're fringe if and only if RWers come up with them. |
Lone Pawn |
Apr-15-05 11:09 AM |
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No one has disputed the right of those people to hold those opinions. |
KlatooBNikto |
Apr-15-05 11:17 AM |
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So then do you think that it would be beneficial to American |
Lone Pawn |
Apr-15-05 11:19 AM |
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That would be fine.The only requirement would be that the person |
KlatooBNikto |
Apr-15-05 11:22 AM |
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You know how sensationalist the media can be. What would happen |
Lone Pawn |
Apr-15-05 11:25 AM |
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Let them make the choice.Not you and I or anyone else for that matter. |
KlatooBNikto |
Apr-15-05 11:31 AM |
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Have you heard of journalistic integrity? |
Lone Pawn |
Apr-15-05 11:33 AM |
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No one has asked them to present it as truth.That there are other |
KlatooBNikto |
Apr-15-05 11:46 AM |
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And you may. But if you come up with a ridiculous conspiracy theory, |
Lone Pawn |
Apr-15-05 11:50 AM |
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I say the Gulf of Tonkin incident was manufactured by Johnson, Rusk and |
KlatooBNikto |
Apr-15-05 11:51 AM |
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It's historical fact. Why would I? |
Lone Pawn |
Apr-15-05 11:54 AM |
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It was not a historic fact until MacNamara admitted it in his book |
KlatooBNikto |
Apr-15-05 12:02 PM |
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No, it was a historical fact from the Pentagon Papers onward. |
Lone Pawn |
Apr-15-05 12:09 PM |
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Description Of The Tonkin Incident As Manufactured, Sir |
The Magistrate |
Apr-15-05 01:04 PM |
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At the time the Tonkin Gulf Incident was reported, the media put up |
KlatooBNikto |
Apr-15-05 07:01 PM |
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There's no law saying the media can't. |
Lone Pawn |
Apr-15-05 08:47 PM |
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GETTING BACK TO YOUR ORIGINAL POSITION!!!! |
Just Me |
Apr-15-05 06:42 PM |
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well, that was MY original postion, and thanks. |
Lerkfish |
Apr-15-05 08:42 PM |
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Well, they have denied it by use of the words 'conspiracy theory.' |
Lone Pawn |
Apr-15-05 08:59 PM |
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well, no I have to disagree. |
Lerkfish |
Apr-16-05 08:04 AM |
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Oh, right, refuting the claim that failure to believe a conspiracy |
Lone Pawn |
Apr-15-05 08:48 PM |
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well, the "fear" part was my conjecture and question...the other part |
Lerkfish |
Apr-16-05 08:02 AM |
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"journalistic integrity?" |
drdtroit |
Apr-15-05 01:08 PM |
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That's true as well |
FreedomAngel82 |
Apr-15-05 11:12 AM |
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Apr-15-05 11:39 AM |
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The problem with conspiracy theories in general is that |
Lone Pawn |
Apr-15-05 11:48 AM |
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Apr-15-05 01:54 PM |
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So what did we do with the pilots, crew, and passengers on the flight |
Lone Pawn |
Apr-15-05 02:02 PM |
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Depends how you define politcally-driven |
DelawareValleyDem |
Apr-15-05 12:10 PM |
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easy. that neocons exist and have influence in the govt. |
Lerkfish |
Apr-15-05 12:20 PM |
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I don't believe that, actually. |
Lone Pawn |
Apr-15-05 12:27 PM |
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Of course |
Frederik |
Apr-15-05 01:20 PM |
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It's not easy to debunk something that has no facts behind it. |
Lone Pawn |
Apr-15-05 02:37 PM |
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I mostly agree |
Frederik |
Apr-15-05 06:00 PM |
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I only have issue with the last little quote there. |
Lone Pawn |
Apr-15-05 08:53 PM |
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Perhaps |
Frederik |
Apr-16-05 10:15 AM |
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So true |
FreedomAngel82 |
Apr-15-05 11:11 AM |
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Right. Glad you understood my post. |
Lerkfish |
Apr-15-05 12:57 PM |
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People who label ideas as conspiracy theories are gullible |
Pockets |
Apr-15-05 11:22 AM |
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So what about the people who dismissed the Clintonista conspiracy theories |
Lone Pawn |
Apr-15-05 11:34 AM |
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It depends on if they researched the idea |
Pockets |
Apr-15-05 11:53 AM |
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Some did. Most people here who think MIHOP and LIHOP are stupid |
Lone Pawn |
Apr-15-05 11:56 AM |
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I'm glad you mentioned that |
Pockets |
Apr-15-05 12:22 PM |
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I agree Bush has some to gain from 9/11. |
Lone Pawn |
Apr-15-05 12:28 PM |
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Reporting to the media would get them executed |
Pockets |
Apr-15-05 12:48 PM |
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Like Clarke was executed? |
Lone Pawn |
Apr-15-05 02:00 PM |
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Just a reminder |
Frederik |
Apr-15-05 06:54 PM |
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If that's true then check this out |
FreedomAngel82 |
Apr-15-05 02:10 PM |
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Or, conversely, I've done actual *research*, as opposed to watching |
Lone Pawn |
Apr-15-05 02:16 PM |
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I would clarify that to say "anyone who USES the label of conspiracy |
Lerkfish |
Apr-15-05 12:55 PM |
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So I think MIHOP is a batshit conspiracy theory. |
Lone Pawn |
Apr-15-05 09:01 PM |
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I"ve already explained that in my post you're replying to. |
Lerkfish |
Apr-16-05 07:41 PM |
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But there are such things as conspiracy theories, aren't there? |
BurtWorm |
Apr-15-05 11:33 AM |
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And Conspiracy Theories Can Actually Be True |
GiovanniC |
Apr-15-05 12:05 PM |
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Absolutely. |
BurtWorm |
Apr-15-05 12:26 PM |
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Correct...I'm more talking about the strategy of LABELING |
Lerkfish |
Apr-15-05 12:50 PM |
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Apr-15-05 12:24 PM |
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And you're allowed to be wrong. |
Pockets |
Apr-15-05 12:29 PM |
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Wrong about what? |
The Gigmeister |
Apr-15-05 01:37 PM |
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You should watch this movie |
FreedomAngel82 |
Apr-15-05 02:14 PM |
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Oh God! |
The Gigmeister |
Apr-15-05 03:14 PM |
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thanks for proving my point, actually. |
Lerkfish |
Apr-15-05 12:45 PM |
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If it was true, or even IN THE TRUTH FREAKING BALLPARK... |
The Gigmeister |
Apr-15-05 01:36 PM |
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see post #94 |
Lerkfish |
Apr-15-05 02:53 PM |
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Your point is, well, it's insane. |
Lone Pawn |
Apr-15-05 02:19 PM |
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LOL! well, you MISSED my point entirely, but regardless |
Lerkfish |
Apr-15-05 02:52 PM |
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Umm, I wish you were right! |
kenny blankenship |
Apr-15-05 06:21 PM |
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Very true. |
H2O Man |
Apr-15-05 01:47 PM |
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Excellent Points, Lerkfish |
thecai |
Apr-15-05 05:09 PM |
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As I say, its an effective, if slimey, tactic. |
Lerkfish |
Apr-15-05 08:44 PM |
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It can be the suppression of truth about real conspiracies. |
bobthedrummer |
Apr-15-05 10:48 AM |
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This what Stalin used to do with anyone who criticized Soviet policies. |
KlatooBNikto |
Apr-15-05 10:54 AM |
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you are utterly dismissed and ridiculous if you even bring them up |
mopaul |
Apr-15-05 10:51 AM |
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Correct.... |
ClintonTyree |
Apr-15-05 11:01 AM |
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Yep |
FreedomAngel82 |
Apr-15-05 11:16 AM |
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So what's the fundamental difference |
Lone Pawn |
Apr-15-05 11:17 AM |
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I find that "Conspiracy Theory" |
seemslikeadream |
Apr-15-05 10:53 AM |
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No such animal as conspiracy theory... |
katsy |
Apr-15-05 10:57 AM |
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So then Clinton really did |
Lone Pawn |
Apr-15-05 11:00 AM |
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I think your question was time & again answered. |
katsy |
Apr-15-05 12:07 PM |
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Why do we accept Clinton's being cleared but not Bush's? |
Lone Pawn |
Apr-15-05 12:17 PM |
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Well... double *sigh*. |
katsy |
Apr-15-05 03:17 PM |
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What does someone labelling you a conspiracy theorist |
bryant69 |
Apr-15-05 10:58 AM |
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"Conspiracy Theory" was the alternate to "Lone Gunman Theory" |
Bridget Burke |
Apr-15-05 10:59 AM |
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Certainly it may mean you're on to something. |
Lone Pawn |
Apr-15-05 11:01 AM |
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We do get lots of newcomers.... |
Bridget Burke |
Apr-15-05 11:11 AM |
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Of course, they tell us to 'shut it' about everything. |
Lone Pawn |
Apr-15-05 11:13 AM |
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Right |
FreedomAngel82 |
Apr-15-05 11:28 AM |
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attacking the messenger |
G_j |
Apr-15-05 11:03 AM |
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Usually the biggest reason I dismiss conspiracies |
Lone Pawn |
Apr-15-05 11:12 AM |
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good point but |
G_j |
Apr-15-05 11:28 AM |
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What benefit is it to |
Lone Pawn |
Apr-15-05 11:31 AM |
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there is a difference between realizing all is not Kosher |
G_j |
Apr-15-05 11:38 AM |
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Nobody has ever said as much as "there are unanswered questions," |
Lone Pawn |
Apr-15-05 11:42 AM |
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Again, a reminder |
Frederik |
Apr-15-05 07:11 PM |
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One thing to remember |
FreedomAngel82 |
Apr-15-05 11:30 AM |
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That's true, but I don't understand how that makes it any easier |
Lone Pawn |
Apr-15-05 11:36 AM |
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just a note |
G_j |
Apr-15-05 11:44 AM |
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I'm referring to MIHOP here, which is the preferred DU conspiracy. |
Lone Pawn |
Apr-15-05 11:48 AM |
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LIHOP is also a view held by many |
G_j |
Apr-15-05 11:59 AM |
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Certainly |
Frederik |
Apr-15-05 04:58 PM |
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Oops... |
Frederik |
Apr-15-05 07:41 PM |
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Ay, another correction.. |
Frederik |
Apr-16-05 11:02 AM |
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the last bit about Ahmed, Goss etc. is indeed chilling |
G_j |
Apr-16-05 08:43 AM |
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It sure is |
Frederik |
Apr-16-05 10:53 AM |
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To be fair ... |
HamdenRice |
Apr-15-05 11:05 AM |
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That they're able to think for themselves |
DelawareValleyDem |
Apr-15-05 11:32 AM |
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False dilemma ;) |
Lone Pawn |
Apr-15-05 11:38 AM |
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Generally |
kenny blankenship |
Apr-15-05 11:54 AM |
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It's like The Allegory of the Cave here at DU sometimes. |
bobthedrummer |
Apr-15-05 12:13 PM |
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The cave dweller |
seemslikeadream |
Apr-15-05 07:05 PM |
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You're allowed to express anything you like.... |
The Gigmeister |
Apr-15-05 12:21 PM |
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"The last I checked, the First Amendment was still in force" |
Sparkly |
Apr-15-05 12:29 PM |
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Accuse them right back of being a "Coincidence Theorist" |
Dr Fate |
Apr-15-05 01:48 PM |
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When you have a pool of 300 million Americans, |
Lone Pawn |
Apr-15-05 02:01 PM |
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Sure- sometimes coincidences happen. No WMDs="coincidence" |
Dr Fate |
Apr-15-05 02:09 PM |
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I was complaining about MIHOP, which *is* a conspiracy theory. |
Lone Pawn |
Apr-15-05 02:13 PM |
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I dont discount anything anymore until it's been fully investigated. |
Dr Fate |
Apr-15-05 02:20 PM |
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It also stands to reason that a few conspiracies would appear. |
rman |
Apr-16-05 10:40 AM |
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It is a two way sword. Sociopaths like the ones in the WH run around |
applegrove |
Apr-15-05 04:57 PM |
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A thought |
adwon |
Apr-15-05 06:28 PM |
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Calling someones ideas bad isnt a violation of speech. |
K-W |
Apr-15-05 08:48 PM |
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Agreed, but it IS a tactic employed to shut that person up, so indirectly |
Lerkfish |
Apr-16-05 08:08 AM |
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No, it isn't. |
K-W |
Apr-16-05 11:07 AM |
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no, I"m not suggesting any action or limitation of anything... |
Lerkfish |
Apr-16-05 07:31 PM |
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We see it a lot right here |
JNelson6563 |
Apr-16-05 11:05 AM |
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Conspiracy Theory should be in reference to the Kennedy assassination, only |
orpupilofnature57 |
Apr-16-05 11:14 AM |
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