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laura888 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-13-05 07:11 PM
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39. gotcha
I guess I'm no longer a dem
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  -Randi says troops need to stay in Iraq laura888  Apr-13-05 06:28 PM   #0 
  - The question is  Freddie Stubbs   Apr-13-05 06:30 PM   #1 
  - More westerners 'fixing' their country?  Jacobin   Apr-13-05 06:31 PM   #3 
  - how are we trying to fix it?  laura888   Apr-13-05 06:32 PM   #4 
  - Yep  FreedomAngel82   Apr-13-05 06:42 PM   #13 
  - That's my vote  Horse with no Name   Apr-13-05 10:43 PM   #146 
  - Iraq isn't Vietnam?  paulk   Apr-13-05 11:44 PM   #153 
  - Considering that our idea of fixing our own country is to reelect Bush...  Telly Savalas   Apr-14-05 08:32 AM   #167 
  - Following down the path of LBJ  Jacobin   Apr-13-05 06:31 PM   #2 
  - Oh..PLease..She said now that we have destroyed their country , we  Roxy66   Apr-13-05 06:32 PM   #5 
  - what she meant was...  laura888   Apr-13-05 06:34 PM   #6 
  - the terrorists  Sterling   Apr-13-05 07:23 PM   #51 
     - Terrorists = Freedom Fighters?  laura888   Apr-13-05 08:00 PM   #80 
  - I'm not a fan but I heard she was a strong supporter of Kerry  quinnox   Apr-13-05 06:35 PM   #7 
  - at what point do we leave?  laura888   Apr-13-05 06:36 PM   #9 
  - those are difficult questions  quinnox   Apr-13-05 06:39 PM   #11 
     - amazing  laura888   Apr-13-05 06:45 PM   #17 
        - That sweet taste of goodness and righteousness  Jacobin   Apr-13-05 07:26 PM   #52 
           - The majority of Iraqis say "please leave."  laura888   Apr-13-05 07:57 PM   #78 
  - ignore  K-W   Apr-13-05 08:36 PM   #107 
  - She has a valid point - let me expand  LynneSin   Apr-13-05 06:36 PM   #8 
  - No. Thousands of Iraqis just told us by demonstrating...  laura888   Apr-13-05 06:38 PM   #10 
  - Iraq does have an elected government now  Freddie Stubbs   Apr-13-05 06:44 PM   #16 
     - You were right when you said:  laura888   Apr-13-05 06:47 PM   #18 
     - Freudian slip? "Our Iraq's elected leaders asking us to leave?"  Sterling   Apr-13-05 07:29 PM   #55 
  - If I came to your house  Sterling   Apr-13-05 07:28 PM   #54 
  - but who doesn't love a friendly, supportive rapist?  thebigidea   Apr-13-05 08:31 PM   #104 
  - But remember, US went to a house that was practically defenseless...  LynneSin   Apr-14-05 07:19 AM   #164 
  - It is impossible for us to "fix it" when WE are the problem  leesa   Apr-13-05 10:36 PM   #144 
  - You can't un-break Iraq.  tuvor   Apr-13-05 06:40 PM   #12 
  - Exactly. They were also asking that their prisoners that we are holding..  laura888   Apr-13-05 06:43 PM   #14 
  - Yes  FreedomAngel82   Apr-13-05 06:44 PM   #15 
  - kick!  laura888   Apr-13-05 06:54 PM   #19 
  - and how many soldiers should die protecting halliburtons janitorial  KG   Apr-13-05 06:55 PM   #20 
  - Exactly! Hence my respect for Randi...  laura888   Apr-13-05 06:58 PM   #22 
  - lets be straight up about this -  KG   Apr-13-05 07:02 PM   #28 
  - Bullshit!  donheld   Apr-13-05 08:41 PM   # 
     - Thank You!  Quixote1818   Apr-14-05 01:31 AM   #157 
  - I'd rather hear the Dem party line  quinnox   Apr-13-05 07:03 PM   #30 
     - As far as Iraq goes, I see NO DIFFERENCE...  laura888   Apr-13-05 07:06 PM   #34 
     - Sounds the same to me.  Sterling   Apr-13-05 07:32 PM   # 
     - I'd rather hear some truth and some independent thought  donheld   Apr-13-05 08:43 PM   #115 
  - Hear, hear!  notsodumbhillbilly   Apr-13-05 07:00 PM   #24 
     - thank you!  laura888   Apr-13-05 07:02 PM   #26 
  - I see Randi's point  journalist3072   Apr-13-05 06:57 PM   #21 
  - ...and continue to imprison your friend's family?  laura888   Apr-13-05 07:01 PM   #25 
  - I know what you're saying, and I agree with you  journalist3072   Apr-13-05 07:03 PM   #31 
     - Re-build with our soldiers?  laura888   Apr-13-05 07:07 PM   #35 
     - From my own perspective  journalist3072   Apr-13-05 08:24 PM   #96 
        - The official war ended almost 2 years ago.  laura888   Apr-13-05 08:26 PM   #98 
           - Again, I agree w/ you & see your point  journalist3072   Apr-13-05 08:30 PM   #103 
              - Obligation = actual reality?  laura888   Apr-13-05 08:39 PM   #112 
                 - No.....  journalist3072   Apr-13-05 08:46 PM   #118 
     - We tore the country apart, we can't leave it in shambles  n2mark   Apr-13-05 08:44 PM   #117 
        - Thank you!  journalist3072   Apr-13-05 08:47 PM   #120 
        - Easy to say and sounds noble...  laura888   Apr-13-05 08:50 PM   #121 
  - makes sense  quinnox   Apr-13-05 07:02 PM   #27 
  - please give a concrete example of how we're...  laura888   Apr-13-05 07:04 PM   #32 
  - The person that pissed on the rug in the first place.....  Sterling   Apr-13-05 07:38 PM   #64 
  - going to point a gun at them while cleaning it up?  KG   Apr-13-05 07:05 PM   #33 
  - its pretty arrogant to think we can "own" another country  thebigidea   Apr-13-05 07:08 PM   #36 
  - Some clarification  journalist3072   Apr-13-05 08:27 PM   #100 
  - "we own it" I can't begin to tell you how dumb that is.  Sterling   Apr-13-05 07:35 PM   #62 
  - exactly - god, that phrase makes my blood boil. The pomposity!  thebigidea   Apr-13-05 07:50 PM   #75 
  - Let me explain  journalist3072   Apr-13-05 08:22 PM   #93 
  - If we fix it, we retain ownership.  laura888   Apr-13-05 08:24 PM   #95 
  - We don't own it  n2mark   Apr-13-05 09:04 PM   #123 
     - And I don't care who  n2mark   Apr-13-05 09:05 PM   #124 
        - If they don't want to fix it  n2mark   Apr-13-05 09:07 PM   #125 
  - Here's a more accurate illustration using your example  uhhuh   Apr-14-05 02:54 AM   #158 
     - Absolutely BRILLIANT!  laura888   Apr-14-05 06:11 AM   #161 
     - You hit the nail on the head. Hope Randi's reading this thread!  B Calm   Apr-14-05 06:14 AM   #162 
  - thats why she gets paid the BIG BUCKS  bpilgrim   Apr-13-05 06:59 PM   #23 
  - hmmm...  laura888   Apr-13-05 07:03 PM   #29 
     - she's a dem  bpilgrim   Apr-13-05 07:09 PM   #38 
        - gotcha  laura888   Apr-13-05 07:11 PM   #39 
           - no  bpilgrim   Apr-13-05 07:14 PM   #43 
           - Maybe you are not.  Sterling   Apr-13-05 07:41 PM   #65 
  - Not Ted Kennedy???  sandnsea   Apr-13-05 07:08 PM   #37 
  - not the main issue  laura888   Apr-13-05 07:11 PM   #41 
     - That is the issue  sandnsea   Apr-13-05 07:46 PM   #71 
        - I see. Maybe you are way, way ahead of me.  laura888   Apr-13-05 07:52 PM   #76 
           - Not really  sandnsea   Apr-13-05 08:14 PM   #91 
  - It's too early to leave. Pulling out now would be a disaster!!!!  Quixote1818   Apr-13-05 07:11 PM   #40 
  - Tell me - where is the insurgency in Afghanistan?  laura888   Apr-13-05 07:13 PM   #42 
  - Their is an insurgency in Afghanistan but that is a shell of a country  Quixote1818   Apr-13-05 07:20 PM   #47 
     - then you'd have the same situation as in...  laura888   Apr-13-05 07:21 PM   #48 
        - Like I said, we loose either way but  Quixote1818   Apr-13-05 07:35 PM   #60 
  - so the whole war and the occupation ISN'T a disaster?  thebigidea   Apr-13-05 07:17 PM   #46 
     - We are damed if we do and we are damed if we don't in Iraq  Quixote1818   Apr-13-05 07:26 PM   #53 
        - "loosing EVERYTHING!!!" ? Like what, our permanent bases?  thebigidea   Apr-13-05 07:31 PM   #57 
           - If we pull out now the number of deaths would EXPLODE again!  Quixote1818   Apr-13-05 07:43 PM   #67 
              - Question: who do all the Iraqis hate the most?  laura888   Apr-13-05 07:46 PM   #69 
              - It's a mix of Saddam's party loosing control and the American presence  Quixote1818   Apr-13-05 07:54 PM   #77 
              - all hell hasn't broken already? the current death toll is acceptable?  thebigidea   Apr-13-05 07:47 PM   #72 
                 - Deaths are down dramaticaly in recent weeks  Quixote1818   Apr-13-05 07:59 PM   #79 
                    - "carry through" to what?  laura888   Apr-13-05 08:04 PM   #82 
                    - yeah, its just so much better now that the golden shower of democracy...  thebigidea   Apr-13-05 08:07 PM   #85 
                       - Exactly! What exactly are the measures for success?  laura888   Apr-13-05 08:09 PM   #87 
                       - So you don't care if things start to turn around????  Quixote1818   Apr-13-05 08:26 PM   #97 
                          - as opposed to fringe neocons n' neoimperialists, eh?  thebigidea   Apr-13-05 08:31 PM   #105 
                             - What's going on in Iraq is complicated and different throughout the  Quixote1818   Apr-13-05 09:07 PM   #126 
                                - yes, we're all horribly closeminded.  thebigidea   Apr-13-05 09:19 PM   #130 
                                   - At least I am willing to admit I could be wrong  Quixote1818   Apr-13-05 09:28 PM   #134 
  - No matter how much 'fixing' we ever try to do, there will never come a  acmavm   Apr-13-05 07:16 PM   #44 
  - thank you!  laura888   Apr-13-05 07:17 PM   #45 
  - Ha  FreedomAngel82   Apr-13-05 07:32 PM   #58 
     - Prepared? I believe we started building the day after we got in power.  laura888   Apr-13-05 07:35 PM   #61 
  - There are times when I do not agree with Randi  Malva Zebrina   Apr-13-05 07:21 PM   #49 
  - your one sentence held so much truth, that I must repeat it:  laura888   Apr-13-05 07:23 PM   #50 
  - About as logical as keeping cancer cells around to fix what they broke.  Tierra_y_Libertad   Apr-13-05 07:30 PM   #56 
  - I like Randi but she's wrong about this.  Carolab   Apr-13-05 07:35 PM   #59 
  - You know, you can disagree with someone on something.  LoZoccolo   Apr-13-05 07:38 PM   #63 
  - hmmm.... no  laura888   Apr-13-05 07:41 PM   #66 
  - So we should always hold our initial opinion about someone or something?  Sterling   Apr-13-05 07:46 PM   #70 
     - No.  LoZoccolo   Apr-13-05 07:49 PM   #74 
        - My take is that that is what is going on.  Sterling   Apr-13-05 09:09 PM   #127 
           - On one issue?  LoZoccolo   Apr-13-05 09:18 PM   #128 
              - this is more than a "practical" issue  laura888   Apr-13-05 09:26 PM   #133 
                 - Yes.  LoZoccolo   Apr-13-05 09:37 PM   #137 
                 - I agree with you.  Carolab   Apr-13-05 11:30 PM   #152 
                    - Sounds like common sense to me  laura888   Apr-14-05 06:37 AM   #163 
  - she concludes differently than you  seabeyond   Apr-13-05 07:44 PM   #68 
  - Because we don't know any more than the Iraqis...  laura888   Apr-13-05 07:47 PM   #73 
     - We have to watch what is going on in the country  Quixote1818   Apr-13-05 08:11 PM   #89 
     - Do we know what's best more than the Iraqis?  laura888   Apr-13-05 08:23 PM   #94 
     - that is one of the arguements to leave i feel, not yours  seabeyond   Apr-13-05 08:11 PM   #90 
  - Don't be fooled by the spin on Iraq  bpilgrim   Apr-13-05 08:03 PM   #81 
  - This is what makes me sad: Randi is one of the spinners...  laura888   Apr-13-05 08:06 PM   #84 
  - The Guy James Show  BeachBuckeye   Apr-13-05 09:57 PM   #140 
     - Can we get him on Air America? n/t  laura888   Apr-13-05 10:00 PM   #141 
     - just for your info  quinnox   Apr-13-05 11:55 PM   #154 
     - That Show also said  tishaLA   Apr-14-05 08:53 AM   #168 
  - I agree that you have to wait until there is stability. Stability would  applegrove   Apr-13-05 08:05 PM   #83 
  - So...occupation = insurgency...  laura888   Apr-13-05 08:08 PM   #86 
     - ah, the intricacies of Rummy's "victory strategy"  thebigidea   Apr-13-05 08:10 PM   #88 
        - I believe you are right...Rummy DOES like those insurgents...  laura888   Apr-13-05 08:21 PM   #92 
           - Rummy needs some insurgents. Not as many as he has now because  applegrove   Apr-13-05 10:41 PM   #145 
  - Two fucking words: Marshall Plan  Randi_Listener   Apr-13-05 08:27 PM   #99 
  - ah, permanent occupation  bpilgrim   Apr-13-05 08:29 PM   #102 
  - It's not fucking permanent.  Randi_Listener   Apr-13-05 08:39 PM   #111 
     - Japan and Germany remain occupied to this very day  bpilgrim   Apr-13-05 09:50 PM   #138 
        - Hardly fucking occupied.  Randi_Listener   Apr-13-05 11:05 PM   #148 
        - oh, only partially occupied, permanently  bpilgrim   Apr-14-05 07:39 AM   #166 
        - The occupation of Germany ended in 1990  Kellanved   Apr-14-05 06:42 PM   #169 
  - ummm... no. Were there 20,000+ Japanese demanding...  laura888   Apr-13-05 08:34 PM   #106 
  - A Marshall Plan aaproach would fucking work.  Randi_Listener   Apr-13-05 08:38 PM   #109 
     - Please explain how its supposed to work.  laura888   Apr-13-05 08:41 PM   #113 
        - A REAL effort to rebuild Iraq instead of just the motherfucking oil fields  Randi_Listener   Apr-13-05 08:43 PM   #116 
           - Perhaps the people ARE the insurgency?  laura888   Apr-13-05 08:47 PM   #119 
              - So by leaving and then letting the country fall into Civil war  Quixote1818   Apr-13-05 09:19 PM   #129 
                 - Iraqi Self-determination  laura888   Apr-13-05 09:23 PM   #131 
                 - You could have a point  Quixote1818   Apr-13-05 09:33 PM   #136 
                 - The solution is not a retreat from Iraq.  Randi_Listener   Apr-13-05 11:09 PM   #151 
                 - If this isn't a civil war already, what the fuck is it?  Lilith Velkor   Apr-13-05 11:06 PM   #150 
                    - Look, I was with you a month ago but it appears things are getting  Quixote1818   Apr-14-05 01:20 AM   #155 
  - Perhaps this warrants more than two words?  Jacobin   Apr-13-05 08:39 PM   #110 
     - The fucking Iraqi people haven't been taken care of.  Randi_Listener   Apr-13-05 08:41 PM   #114 
        - Please provide an example of where the military...  laura888   Apr-13-05 08:56 PM   #122 
        - They fucking aren't.  Randi_Listener   Apr-13-05 11:06 PM   #149 
        - Civil War BS is excuse for continued occupation-Pure Propaganda  chlamor   Apr-13-05 09:32 PM   #135 
           - Wow! Thanks for an informed post!  laura888   Apr-13-05 09:56 PM   #139 
  - I disagree with her, but she's entitled to her opinion.  UdoKier   Apr-13-05 08:29 PM   #101 
  - Send the bull back into the China shop to fix it.... GREAT IDEA eom  K-W   Apr-13-05 08:36 PM   #108 
  - Dear Randi, there is NO fix. Bring the kids home. NOW.  spanone   Apr-13-05 09:25 PM   #132 
  - Depends on what "fixing it" means...  haele   Apr-13-05 10:10 PM   #142 
  - If we stay it will be worse than a thousand Afghanistans  leesa   Apr-13-05 10:34 PM   #143 
  - laura888 i think what we might consider  seabeyond   Apr-13-05 10:47 PM   #147 
  - Well said!  Quixote1818   Apr-14-05 01:26 AM   #156 
  - Sounds like the battered wife syndrome to me  nolabels   Apr-14-05 03:25 AM   #159 
  - I like Randi, but to stay in this dysfunctional screw up  B Calm   Apr-14-05 05:38 AM   #160 
  - I usually like Randi and I think she takes a lot of undeserved flack  nonconformist   Apr-14-05 07:35 AM   #165 
 

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