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36. The Hidden Lives of Chickens
When I was looking for information about the PBS show "The Natural History of Chickens" that repeated again recently, I found a PETA page on them:

The Hidden Lives of Chickens

Chickens are inquisitive and interesting animals and are thought to be as intelligent as mammals like cats and dogs and even primates. When in natural surroundings, not on factory farms, they form friendships and social hierarchies, recognize one another, love their young, and enjoy a full life, dust-bathing, making nests, roosting in trees, and more.

Up until a few years ago, few scientists had spent any time learning about chickens intelligence, but people who run farmed animal sanctuaries have had plenty to say about the subtleties of the chicken world. It may seem odd, since we dont know chickens very well, but its true that some chickens like classic rock, while others like classical music; some chickens enjoy human company, while others are standoffish, shy, or even a bit aggressive. Just like dogs, cats, and humans, each chicken is an individual with a distinct personality. Now, scientists are beginning to learn a bit more about chickens, and heres what a few of them have to say:

Chickens are as smart as mammals, including some primates, according to animal behaviorist Dr. Chris Evans, who runs the animal behavior lab at Macquarie University in Australia and lectures on his work with chickens. He explains that, for example, chickens are able to understand that recently hidden objects still exist, which is actually beyond the capacity of small children. Discussing chickens various capacities, he says, "As a trick at conferences I sometimes list these attributes, without mentioning chickens, and people think I'm talking about monkeys."

Dr. Joy Mench, professor and director of the Center for Animal Welfare at the University of California at Davis explains, Chickens show sophisticated social behavior. Thats what a pecking order is all about. They can recognize more than a hundred other chickens and remember them. They have more than thirty types of vocalizations. /

The PBS chicken special had a pet chicken listening to classical music who had such a look of serenity and joy on his face. It was the sweetest thing. Unnerved me, even. I'm not used to thinking of chickens as emotionally complex.

The segment on factory farming mentioned that over 8 billion chickens are killed every year in this country.

The PETA page says:

The average American meat-eater is responsible for the abuse and deaths of approximately 2,500 chickens.

Chickens are often still fully conscious when their throats are slit or when they are dumped into tanks of scalding hot water to remove their feathers. When theyre killed, chickens are still babies, not yet 2 months old, out of a natural life span of 10 to 15 years.

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  -PETA announces Petco victory; redoubles KFC boycott expatriot  Apr-12-05 04:36 PM   #0 
  - Does this require more taxes?  Dave Reynolds   Apr-12-05 04:40 PM   #1 
  - PETA will send you a free DVD... watch it and then we will talk.  expatriot   Apr-12-05 04:46 PM   #2 
     - We have to support the "culture of life" you know  yankeedem   Apr-12-05 04:48 PM   #3 
        - the "culture of life quality"  expatriot   Apr-12-05 04:52 PM   #4 
           - Well, if you're going to get self-righteous and preachy....  impeachdubya   Apr-13-05 05:30 AM   #47 
  - I really, truly, utterly, completely, and wholeheartedly  Lone Pawn   Apr-12-05 04:54 PM   #5 
  - The thing is friend,  MadHound   Apr-12-05 04:57 PM   #6 
  - Or would be, but I am unaware of any actual case of humans  Lone Pawn   Apr-12-05 05:01 PM   #8 
  - Chicken Lady Loves Life  IanDB1   Apr-12-05 05:03 PM   #10 
  - Gravel n' Grubs, Gravel n' Grubs....  impeachdubya   Apr-13-05 05:27 AM   #46 
  - Petco also supports Kitten Rescue here in LA  ronnykmarshall   Apr-13-05 12:26 PM   #154 
     - That's sad that your beliefs are limited to who you are supposed to  SemiCharmedQuark   Apr-13-05 12:32 PM   #156 
        - Self deleted  ronnykmarshall   Apr-13-05 12:54 PM   #161 
  - Sure, but ask the PETA folks if that's really what they're after.  impeachdubya   Apr-13-05 05:25 AM   #45 
  - I understand that, however  MadHound   Apr-13-05 08:13 AM   #62 
     - While I concur that the outcome in this case is perfectly in line with  impeachdubya   Apr-13-05 04:53 PM   #218 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Apr-13-05 06:44 AM   #57 
  - Well there's your problem....  bicentennial_baby   Apr-12-05 05:01 PM   #7 
  - Do I eat chickens? Yes. Therefore chickens are a food source.  Lone Pawn   Apr-12-05 05:04 PM   #11 
  - Interesting...  bicentennial_baby   Apr-12-05 05:09 PM   #15 
  - So to earn your empathy, you have to score high on an IQ test?  expatriot   Apr-12-05 05:13 PM   #18 
  - I said I wouldn't type any more on the subject, but I'll make an exception  Lone Pawn   Apr-12-05 05:21 PM   #22 
     - omg. you are SCARY. i can't believe that there are people who believe  AgadorSparticus   Apr-13-05 04:08 AM   #38 
     - Separate thread regarding bird cognition:  AlienGirl   Apr-13-05 04:49 AM   #41 
     - my cockatiel is so smart is scares the hell out of me.  jdj   Apr-13-05 07:04 AM   #60 
     - What About Chicken Eggs?  GiovanniC   Apr-13-05 09:08 AM   #119 
     - personally, I try to get eggs that are free-range  FizzFuzz   Apr-13-05 05:32 PM   #223 
     - Excellent post  Mad_Dem_X   Apr-13-05 03:20 PM   #208 
     - dogs are not "sentient"?  jdj   Apr-13-05 06:28 AM   #54 
     - I totally agree jdj  ernstbass   Apr-13-05 11:29 AM   #149 
     - *applauds*  Debaser   Apr-13-05 12:48 PM   #158 
     - the suffering of intelligents is the only sort that matters?  FizzFuzz   Apr-13-05 05:21 PM   #222 
  - So you have no respect  manic expression   Apr-12-05 05:17 PM   #20 
  - or people who don't speak the same language as he does since  AgadorSparticus   Apr-13-05 04:13 AM   #39 
  - I must disagree about chicken intelligence  Crazy8s   Apr-12-05 06:24 PM   #27 
  - forget the killing, read the post about PETA. REALLY read it .  jdj   Apr-13-05 06:40 AM   #56 
     - I personally said I agree with the end result in this case.  impeachdubya   Apr-13-05 05:09 PM   #221 
  - I consider lone pawn a food source.  Sterling   Apr-12-05 07:29 PM   #30 
  - LOL n/t  Crowdance   Apr-12-05 07:32 PM   #32 
  - Okay, then. How about an *honest* answer to this question:  impeachdubya   Apr-13-05 05:01 AM   #42 
     - Why not start a few steps back from that...  AlienGirl   Apr-13-05 05:19 AM   #44 
     - Excellent breakdown.  impeachdubya   Apr-13-05 06:01 AM   #49 
     - On the rat protest.  shockra   Apr-13-05 05:34 AM   #48 
     - If that is all it was I stand corrected.  impeachdubya   Apr-13-05 06:10 AM   #50 
     - So what's the answer? Should people be allowed to eat animals?  impeachdubya   Apr-13-05 06:11 AM   #51 
     - PETA's use of the Holocaust.  shockra   Apr-13-05 06:22 AM   #52 
     - I guess you missed the newspaper ads with chicken coops and jews in camps  impeachdubya   Apr-13-05 05:07 PM   #220 
     - don't worry about PETA, they are not worried about you.  jdj   Apr-13-05 06:36 AM   #55 
        - "if you really are a democrat"  impeachdubya   Apr-13-05 04:59 PM   #219 
  - During the Somalia famine, crops were exported to Europe for livestock.  expatriot   Apr-12-05 05:02 PM   #9 
  - I don't have a problem with vegetarianism on that practical level.  Lone Pawn   Apr-12-05 05:08 PM   #13 
  - Not true.  manic expression   Apr-12-05 05:48 PM   #24 
  - Birds have cerebral cortices  AlienGirl   Apr-13-05 12:09 AM   #35 
  - The Hidden Lives of Chickens  shockra   Apr-13-05 01:25 AM   #36 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Apr-13-05 06:58 AM   #59 
  - Statistic I heard on the radio yesterday  IanDB1   Apr-12-05 05:08 PM   #14 
     - There is much more integrity with hunting your own food.  expatriot   Apr-12-05 05:17 PM   #19 
     - Aye, certainly Ted Nugent has more integrity than the evil meat-eaters  impeachdubya   Apr-13-05 05:10 AM   #43 
     - yes, heres to your helping of the avian flu.  jdj   Apr-13-05 07:05 AM   #61 
  - Lone Pawn, I appreciate your passion for other causes...  expatriot   Apr-12-05 05:06 PM   #12 
  - All right. I will.  Lone Pawn   Apr-12-05 05:12 PM   #16 
  - you don't have to stop stating your opinion...  expatriot   Apr-12-05 05:18 PM   #21 
  - The Turkey Holocaust  IanDB1   Apr-12-05 05:12 PM   #17 
     - Enjoy!!  ArkDem   Apr-14-05 11:34 AM   #227 
  - I think there's a large "helping" of karma here.  shockra   Apr-12-05 05:29 PM   #23 
  - Limits on compassion. Sucks to be you.  flvegan   Apr-12-05 06:01 PM   #25 
  - Then why in the fuck did you issue a six line post?  The Stranger   Apr-12-05 06:15 PM   #26 
  - These issues are not mutually exclusive.  Lindacooks   Apr-12-05 07:03 PM   #28 
  - So I guess nobody should  Piperay   Apr-12-05 07:29 PM   #31 
  - who the HELL do you think works in these plants???  jdj   Apr-13-05 06:23 AM   #53 
  - you're entitled to this opinion  mutley_r_us   Apr-13-05 09:25 AM   #135 
  - Lone Pawn,  Dorian Gray   Apr-13-05 10:09 AM   #143 
  - I am not concerned with PETA  KFC   Apr-12-05 07:13 PM   #29 
  - or they can go to CHURCHES chicken. or popeye's chicken.  AgadorSparticus   Apr-13-05 04:16 AM   #40 
     - Church's and Popeyes are like pimples on my ass  KFC   Apr-13-05 12:03 PM   #151 
  - WTG PETA!  Skip Intro   Apr-12-05 07:44 PM   #33 
  - I am proud to be a vegetarian,  R. A. Fuqua   Apr-12-05 07:53 PM   #34 
  - I'm all for being a little nicer to animals...  buckup   Apr-13-05 03:22 AM   #37 
  - please support your post. name some PETA "terrorist" methods...  jdj   Apr-13-05 06:50 AM   #58 
     - Cue Jeopardy music.  livinginphotographs   Apr-13-05 08:26 AM   #63 
  - Because of the videos on the PETA website showing how these  Bouncy Ball   Apr-13-05 08:34 AM   #64 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Apr-13-05 08:35 AM   #65 
  - Did you think of that all by yourself?  livinginphotographs   Apr-13-05 08:43 AM   #66 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Apr-13-05 08:43 AM   #67 
     - I think your initial response to this thread was insensitive, at best.  Bouncy Ball   Apr-13-05 08:48 AM   #69 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Apr-13-05 08:49 AM   #71 
     - Again with the attitude.  Bouncy Ball   Apr-13-05 08:50 AM   #72 
        - Deleted message  Name removed   Apr-13-05 08:51 AM   #75 
           - Some people consider racist jokes humorous.  livinginphotographs   Apr-13-05 08:52 AM   #79 
           - Deleted message  Name removed   Apr-13-05 08:55 AM   #84 
              - Yes, interesting.  livinginphotographs   Apr-13-05 08:58 AM   #94 
                 - Deleted message  Name removed   Apr-13-05 09:04 AM   #109 
                    - What are you doing in this thread?  Bouncy Ball   Apr-13-05 09:05 AM   #112 
                    - Who said anything about that?  livinginphotographs   Apr-13-05 09:14 AM   #126 
           - If you can't stand the heat, you might want to step out of the kitchen.  Bouncy Ball   Apr-13-05 08:53 AM   #80 
              - Deleted message  Name removed   Apr-13-05 08:55 AM   #86 
                 - And he called you on yours.  Bouncy Ball   Apr-13-05 08:59 AM   #96 
                    - Deleted message  Name removed   Apr-13-05 09:00 AM   #99 
     - I Was Prompted to Do The Same Thing On Another Thread  GiovanniC   Apr-13-05 09:14 AM   #125 
        - Why yes I did!  Bouncy Ball   Apr-13-05 09:24 AM   #134 
     - My responses get ruder and ruder  livinginphotographs   Apr-13-05 08:48 AM   #70 
        - Deleted message  Name removed   Apr-13-05 08:50 AM   #73 
           - If you want to discuss that, fine.  livinginphotographs   Apr-13-05 08:52 AM   # 
           - Deleted message  Name removed   Apr-13-05 08:53 AM   #81 
              - DU Debating 101 requires you be educated about the issue before you post.  livinginphotographs   Apr-13-05 08:57 AM   #90 
                 - Deleted message  Name removed   Apr-13-05 08:59 AM   #95 
                 - You don't care. Exactly.  livinginphotographs   Apr-13-05 09:00 AM   #98 
                 - Deleted message  Name removed   Apr-13-05 09:00 AM   #102 
                    - Liking chicken is one thing.  livinginphotographs   Apr-13-05 09:01 AM   #104 
                       - Deleted message  Name removed   Apr-13-05 09:02 AM   #107 
                          - Question:  Bouncy Ball   Apr-13-05 09:04 AM   #110 
                          - LOL LMAO whatever.  livinginphotographs   Apr-13-05 09:05 AM   #111 
                 - Even THAT comment was better than  Bouncy Ball   Apr-13-05 09:00 AM   #100 
                    - Deleted message  Name removed   Apr-13-05 09:01 AM   #105 
                       - I never said you were insensitive to chickens. You're the one who  Bouncy Ball   Apr-13-05 09:06 AM   #114 
                          - Deleted message  Name removed   Apr-13-05 09:08 AM   #118 
                             - "Seems to me...."  Bouncy Ball   Apr-13-05 09:12 AM   #121 
                                - Deleted message  Name removed   Apr-13-05 09:13 AM   #124 
                                   - You are either being intentionally clueless or you really ARE that  Bouncy Ball   Apr-13-05 09:16 AM   #127 
                                      - Deleted message  Name removed   Apr-13-05 09:18 AM   #129 
                                         - Or it can be insensitive ABOUT a topic.  Bouncy Ball   Apr-13-05 09:21 AM   #131 
                                            - Deleted message  Name removed   Apr-13-05 09:23 AM   #133 
                                            - What do I CARE what kind of bucket you are getting?  Bouncy Ball   Apr-13-05 09:26 AM   #137 
                                            - Deleted message  Name removed   Apr-13-05 09:28 AM   #139 
                 - Oh my god! - we're killing babies!  mongo   Apr-13-05 01:13 PM   #164 
                    - Did you read the original article?  livinginphotographs   Apr-13-05 01:45 PM   #166 
           - Why didn't you just say that instead of your nasty little  Bouncy Ball   Apr-13-05 08:54 AM   #82 
              - Deleted message  Name removed   Apr-13-05 08:56 AM   #87 
                 - Wow. It just doesn't occur to you, does it?  Bouncy Ball   Apr-13-05 08:57 AM   #91 
  - I heard that PETA advocates that...  Commie Pinko Dirtbag   Apr-13-05 08:52 AM   #78 
  - AMEN!!!!  Mother Jones   Apr-13-05 08:48 AM   #68 
  - Dang, now I'm hungry!  ArkDem   Apr-13-05 08:50 AM   #74 
  - There's one that nobody has ever thought of. Good one!  flvegan   Apr-13-05 08:52 AM   #76 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Apr-13-05 08:52 AM   #77 
  - ..  livinginphotographs   Apr-13-05 08:54 AM   #83 
  - "..when there's so many cousins that need marryin'."  Zynx   Apr-13-05 08:56 AM   #88 
  - Me and this poster have a history.  livinginphotographs   Apr-13-05 08:58 AM   #92 
     - You should be ashamed. That was a very nasty comment.  Zynx   Apr-13-05 08:59 AM   #97 
        - Now I'm a bigot. Hilarious.  livinginphotographs   Apr-13-05 09:00 AM   #101 
           - You are making truly nasty statements about someone based solely on  Zynx   Apr-13-05 09:02 AM   #106 
              - Deleted message  Name removed   Apr-13-05 09:06 AM   #115 
                 - Some PETA types would rather see millions of people die than see an animal  Zynx   Apr-13-05 09:08 AM   #117 
                    - Where in the HECK did you get that idea?  Bouncy Ball   Apr-13-05 09:09 AM   #120 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Apr-13-05 08:57 AM   #89 
     - Some people are jerks.  Zynx   Apr-13-05 08:58 AM   #93 
        - Excuse me?????  Bouncy Ball   Apr-13-05 09:04 AM   #108 
        - Maybe you should be nice enough to get out of the lives of meat eaters.  Zynx   Apr-13-05 09:05 AM   #113 
        - Did you MISS the part of my post  Bouncy Ball   Apr-13-05 09:07 AM   #116 
           - Vegetarians strike a very raw nerve with me whenever they spout off.  Zynx   Apr-13-05 09:17 AM   #128 
              - I'm not about to preach to other vegetarians, no thanks.  Bouncy Ball   Apr-13-05 09:23 AM   #132 
              - "or holds some damn protest"  livinginphotographs   Apr-13-05 09:26 AM   #138 
        - What about cannibalism?  ArkDem   Apr-13-05 12:39 PM   #157 
        - You must really hate vegans then. Thanks for  flvegan   Apr-13-05 09:12 AM   #122 
           - I'm thinking some vegetarians must have beat him up  Bouncy Ball   Apr-13-05 09:13 AM   #123 
           - Call me a jerk. Fine. I've been called a murderer by vegetarians.  Zynx   Apr-13-05 09:20 AM   #130 
              - But I haven't called you, nor anyone else any of those things  flvegan   Apr-13-05 09:25 AM   #136 
              - I have to wonder where these roving bands of abusive vegetarians are?  Debaser   Apr-13-05 11:24 AM   #147 
                 - Welcome to DU, Debaser.  flvegan   Apr-13-05 11:27 AM   #148 
                    - Thanks flvegan  Debaser   Apr-13-05 11:42 AM   #150 
              - Pipe down, you, you, you  ronnykmarshall   Apr-13-05 02:14 PM   #168 
  - You plan on eating Colonel Sanders?  DelawareValleyDem   Apr-13-05 09:01 AM   #103 
     - I wouldn't. Too stringy. No tenderness at all.  name not needed   Apr-13-05 02:18 PM   #170 
     - The colnel has been dead too long. I'll settle for the crispy instead.  ArkDem   Apr-14-05 09:37 AM   #226 
  - While I don't support torture of animals, eating them is fine with me.  Zynx   Apr-13-05 08:55 AM   #85 
  - The funniest thing about this ongoing thread  flvegan   Apr-13-05 09:33 AM   #140 
  - I find it amusing that so many DUers are quick to defend  livinginphotographs   Apr-13-05 09:38 AM   #141 
     - If you really want your head to spin...  flvegan   Apr-13-05 09:47 AM   #142 
  - KFC Popcorn chicken is fast food crack  theboss   Apr-13-05 10:14 AM   #144 
  - PETA gets on my nerves  noonwitch   Apr-13-05 10:35 AM   #145 
  - What does KFC reneging on their agreement to treat animals better  flvegan   Apr-13-05 10:43 AM   #146 
  - And that's why you support KFC torturing animals before they kill them?  SemiCharmedQuark   Apr-13-05 12:23 PM   #153 
  - I'm so glad ........  ronnykmarshall   Apr-13-05 12:21 PM   #152 
  - Yeah! Take that you bastard animals!  SemiCharmedQuark   Apr-13-05 12:29 PM   #155 
     - PETA:  ronnykmarshall   Apr-13-05 12:49 PM   #159 
        - PETA doesn't give a shit if you like them. They only care about animals.  SemiCharmedQuark   Apr-13-05 12:51 PM   #160 
           - A river, cry me one.  ronnykmarshall   Apr-13-05 01:00 PM   #162 
              - Peta is trying to stop KFC from using cruel methods to kill their chickens  SemiCharmedQuark   Apr-13-05 01:05 PM   #163 
                 - Oh PRAISE!!  ronnykmarshall   Apr-13-05 01:23 PM   #165 
                 - Doesn't change the fact you would rather have chickens and rats suffer  SemiCharmedQuark   Apr-13-05 02:06 PM   #167 
                    - Again  ronnykmarshall   Apr-13-05 02:18 PM   #169 
                       - "I'm so glad I shopped there BEFORE peta ended their boycott"  SemiCharmedQuark   Apr-13-05 02:27 PM   #171 
                          - PETA's sensationalist tactics are bullshit, plain and simple.  StopTheMorans   Apr-13-05 02:32 PM   #173 
                             - A...boycott is an extreme tactic?  SemiCharmedQuark   Apr-13-05 02:34 PM   #174 
                                - throwing paint on people is an extreme tactic. belittling those who  StopTheMorans   Apr-13-05 02:38 PM   #175 
                                   - Oh now don't be so harsh.  ronnykmarshall   Apr-13-05 02:43 PM   #177 
                                   - You're right. Cheering on abusive companies is very ambiguous behavior  SemiCharmedQuark   Apr-13-05 02:48 PM   #179 
                                   - Yeah those fuckers.  ronnykmarshall   Apr-13-05 02:51 PM   #181 
                                      - No, that's not what I said. You didn't read carefully.  SemiCharmedQuark   Apr-13-05 02:54 PM   #184 
                                      - Nice edit job.  ronnykmarshall   Apr-13-05 02:58 PM   #188 
                                         - Ok, word for word, here is exactly what I said:  SemiCharmedQuark   Apr-13-05 03:00 PM   #190 
                                      - the Petco in my area has many animals up for adoption  Zuni   Apr-13-05 03:08 PM   #198 
                                   - Actually, if you were a heartless pig PETA would be on your  ArkDem   Apr-13-05 03:09 PM   #199 
                                   - And what is belittling people who are vegetarians? Honorable?  SemiCharmedQuark   Apr-13-05 02:46 PM   #178 
                                   - not taking the bait. you ignored why PETA is irrelevant to so many people  StopTheMorans   Apr-13-05 02:49 PM   #180 
                                      - Maybe the problem is that PETA's reasonable campaigns are  livinginphotographs   Apr-13-05 02:52 PM   #182 
                                      - no. the fact that they engage in some reasonable tactics does not  StopTheMorans   Apr-13-05 02:56 PM   #186 
                                         - Well, I agree with their holocaust ad.  livinginphotographs   Apr-13-05 03:01 PM   # 
                                         - then i have nothing further to say to you. if you can agree with PETA  StopTheMorans   Apr-13-05 03:04 PM   #193 
                                         - Why does this always happen?  livinginphotographs   Apr-13-05 03:07 PM   #195 
                                         - And since you cherry-picked my entire post for one little thing  livinginphotographs   Apr-13-05 03:16 PM   #203 
                                         - Did you even read my above Holocaust post?  shockra   Apr-13-05 03:15 PM   #202 
                                            - We'll see if the above poster even reads it.  livinginphotographs   Apr-13-05 03:21 PM   #213 
                                      - All over this thread, there are meat eaters using extreme tactics on  SemiCharmedQuark   Apr-13-05 02:52 PM   #183 
                                         - i'm not talking about the general statistics of meat eaters vs.  StopTheMorans   Apr-13-05 02:58 PM   #187 
                                            - So boycotting KFC is not good?  SemiCharmedQuark   Apr-13-05 03:00 PM   #191 
                                               - straw man. again, you're ignoring the main crux of my argument  StopTheMorans   Apr-13-05 03:06 PM   #194 
                                               - What is your argument?  SemiCharmedQuark   Apr-13-05 03:14 PM   #200 
                                               - that PETA does not reach people because of their tactics  StopTheMorans   Apr-13-05 03:18 PM   #205 
                                               - Don't ask for respect unless you respect others first  SemiCharmedQuark   Apr-13-05 03:20 PM   #209 
                                               - again, i didn't come here to whine about who gets more respect  StopTheMorans   Apr-13-05 03:23 PM   #214 
                                               - Let's look at that, then, shall we?  flvegan   Apr-13-05 03:19 PM   #207 
                                               - No it is not good  KFC   Apr-13-05 03:19 PM   #206 
                                               - McDonald's would argue different, circa 2001.  flvegan   Apr-13-05 03:20 PM   #210 
                                               - Also Burger King.  SemiCharmedQuark   Apr-13-05 03:21 PM   #211 
                                   - Then you're no supporter of the recent pie/salad dressing tossings  flvegan   Apr-13-05 02:55 PM   #185 
                                      - animals vs. humans. i won't ever put them in the same category.  StopTheMorans   Apr-13-05 02:59 PM   #189 
                                         - So extreme tactics are ok when you feel like it?  SemiCharmedQuark   Apr-13-05 03:01 PM   #192 
                                         - nope. frankly, i don't agree with the pies in the face of humans either.  StopTheMorans   Apr-13-05 03:08 PM   #196 
                                            - So, should that group boycott businesses  SemiCharmedQuark   Apr-13-05 03:17 PM   #204 
                                               - nope. again, you're extrapolating a point to an extent that I would never  StopTheMorans   Apr-13-05 03:21 PM   #212 
                                               - THAT is the point I was arguing with the other poster.  SemiCharmedQuark   Apr-13-05 03:32 PM   #216 
                                         - I'm comparing tactics vs tactics, thanks.  flvegan   Apr-13-05 03:08 PM   #197 
                 - KFC manager douses protesters  rainbow4321   Apr-14-05 07:46 AM   #224 
                    - If you don't mind, you should repost this as a new topic.  livinginphotographs   Apr-14-05 07:51 AM   #225 
  - The Year of the Rooster (Cock/Chicken/Hen)  shockra   Apr-13-05 02:32 PM   #172 
  - what about Popeye's?  northzax   Apr-13-05 02:38 PM   #176 
  - Very Good!  ArkDem   Apr-13-05 03:14 PM   #201 
  - PETCO also refuses to sell high school kids animals..  rainbow4321   Apr-13-05 03:27 PM   #215 
  - Woah.  buckup   Apr-13-05 04:34 PM   #217 

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