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K-W Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-05 10:31 AM
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68. I am not talking about utopia, stop putting words in my mouth
and making dishonest arguments.

I am talking about the US constitution, a document you appear to place no value in.

I dont care if you know people who drive stoned. Who on earth do you think you are? We dont live in a dictorship and you arent the dictator. You dont get to regulate others behavior based on your uninformed opinion.

By the way, go ahead and google it if you think I am lying. We are not talking about my satisfaction in the tests, the tests simply have not been done.

Saying it shouldnt have been illegal in the first place is not a straw man argument, and you clearly have no idea what a straw man argument is if you truely think that is the case. It should not have been illegal in the first place, that is a simple fact. The laws are unconstitutional. If you want to try to argue that they are, go ahead, but I am realy not sure why you think this is a straw man.

What we are really discussing here is that you support tyranny of the masses. As long as people think Marijuana is bad, it can be illegal regardless of whether it actually is or not.

What we are talking about is a respect for the constitution and for the truth.
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  -Let's talk about Pot Lost Texan in NC  Apr-10-05 08:34 AM   #0 
  - Here you go.....  whistle   Apr-10-05 08:36 AM   #1 
  - Pot is bad, m'kay?  Cooley Hurd   Apr-10-05 08:38 AM   #2 
  - "Uh. uh-boys, ele- LSD is bad. Hmm..."  Swamp Rat   Apr-10-05 09:26 PM   #187 
  - Legalize it n/t  carnie_sf   Apr-10-05 08:39 AM   #3 
  - Talk about it, hell--let's fire up the bong.  smoogatz   Apr-10-05 08:39 AM   #4 
  - I covered it here  SHRED   Apr-10-05 08:40 AM   #5 
  - I am not a current user, but  FtWayneBlue   Apr-10-05 09:25 AM   #25 
  - Thanks  SHRED   Apr-10-05 09:42 AM   #36 
  - I have mixed feelings on this - But Holland seems to be doing OK.  suziedemocrat   Apr-10-05 10:15 AM   #58 
     - I understand your concerns  SHRED   Apr-10-05 10:34 AM   #70 
        - I think Ziggy Marley might be the hardest working in the Music Business.  suziedemocrat   Apr-10-05 10:59 AM   #80 
  - my view on pot?  Pepperbelly   Apr-10-05 08:41 AM   #6 
  - No taxation  Must_B_Free   Apr-10-05 08:41 AM   #7 
  - Taxes will come...  SHRED   Apr-10-05 08:45 AM   #9 
  - Taxing its trade is different than allowing you to grow your own.  K-W   Apr-10-05 09:16 AM   #19 
  - Be reasonable  Lost Texan in NC   Apr-10-05 09:21 AM   #20 
     - They would get more than enough revenue...  SHRED   Apr-10-05 09:37 AM   #35 
  - 100% agreement.  chicagojoe   Apr-10-05 08:44 AM   #8 
  - I don't smoke pot, but I feel it should be legalized and employers  B Calm   Apr-10-05 08:45 AM   #10 
  - Some are  Lost Texan in NC   Apr-10-05 09:09 AM   #17 
     - I work for Bellsouth, if they stopped it, its the first I heard of it.  steelyboo   Apr-10-05 02:16 PM   #178 
        - Local Media said  Lost Texan in NC   Apr-10-05 02:35 PM   #181 
           - Heh, i might have been stoned and missed it  steelyboo   Apr-10-05 02:50 PM   #183 
  - Legalize pot and industrial hemp  DoYouEverWonder   Apr-10-05 08:47 AM   #11 
  - I thought it would be legal long ago  acmejack   Apr-10-05 08:51 AM   #12 
  - Prohibition Is Senseless and Counterproductive Social Policy!  DistressedAmerican   Apr-10-05 08:54 AM   #13 
  - Shoulda attached a poll ;)  Mr_Spock   Apr-10-05 09:00 AM   #14 
  - Paranoid?  Lost Texan in NC   Apr-10-05 11:01 AM   #81 
     - I lived in Arcata for a while  XemaSab   Apr-10-05 12:48 PM   #132 
        - I think everyone has paranoid thoughts all the time  K-W   Apr-10-05 12:50 PM   #136 
           - Exactly - some of us have more self-deprecating thoughts than others  Mr_Spock   Apr-11-05 10:34 AM   #190 
  - Every time I see bushels of primo ganja being carted away by cops  DS1   Apr-10-05 09:02 AM   #15 
  - A little hope  Lost Texan in NC   Apr-10-05 12:32 PM   #123 
     - This is very true.  Blue_In_AK   Apr-10-05 01:36 PM   #159 
        - As in another post  Lost Texan in NC   Apr-10-05 01:59 PM   #171 
           - I literally just finished this book this weekend, and the poster is spot  steelyboo   Apr-10-05 02:14 PM   #175 
              - Thanks for recommend  Lost Texan in NC   Apr-10-05 02:48 PM   #182 
  - one step at a time.  Discord   Apr-10-05 09:07 AM   #16 
  - We need to change the laws  Dez   Apr-10-05 09:12 AM   #18 
  - a good historical summary:  utopiansecretagent   Apr-10-05 09:22 AM   #21 
  - Some more info  Lost Texan in NC   Apr-10-05 01:28 PM   #157 
  - Drug laws are blatently unconstitutional and should be dropped ASAP  K-W   Apr-10-05 09:23 AM   #22 
  - Right on!!!! No one has been able to answer this simple question.  Pepperbelly   Apr-10-05 09:29 AM   #26 
  - 30 Years And Too Much Ground To Cover Here...  KharmaTrain   Apr-10-05 09:24 AM   #23 
  - One thing you forgot  Lost Texan in NC   Apr-10-05 09:29 AM   #27 
  - That was Nixon's logic.  K-W   Apr-10-05 09:33 AM   #31 
  - Why do you think you get to draw lines on how it is legalized?  K-W   Apr-10-05 09:31 AM   #29 
     - Not Paranoid Fear  KharmaTrain   Apr-10-05 09:42 AM   #37 
        - Yes paranoid fear, you have no proof.  K-W   Apr-10-05 09:51 AM   #38 
           - So You Believe In Drunk Driving Laws?  KharmaTrain   Apr-10-05 10:03 AM   #48 
           - Nobody is talking about utopia, stop making straw men.  K-W   Apr-10-05 10:11 AM   #53 
              - Legalize Possible Dangers? Interesting  KharmaTrain   Apr-10-05 10:25 AM   #63 
              - I am not talking about utopia, stop putting words in my mouth  K-W   Apr-10-05 10:31 AM   #68 
                 - Sheesh...You Assume A Lot  KharmaTrain   Apr-10-05 10:36 AM   #72 
                    - I have made no assumptions, why do you keep putting words in my mouth?  K-W   Apr-10-05 10:39 AM   #75 
                       - Lighten up guys  Lost Texan in NC   Apr-10-05 01:51 PM   #166 
              - Driving while enhanced  firefox   Apr-10-05 11:36 AM   #97 
                 - Working in the trucking industry in the 70's....  CanSocDem   Apr-10-05 12:02 PM   #104 
           - Whoa, whoa, whoa -- wait just one red second  Cats Against Frist   Apr-10-05 10:16 AM   #60 
              - All I am asking is for you to prove your assumptions.  K-W   Apr-10-05 10:21 AM   #62 
                 - I don't "not want people smoking pot"  Cats Against Frist   Apr-10-05 08:36 PM   #184 
  - Pot is NOT harmless!  MrModerate   Apr-10-05 09:25 AM   #24 
  - those that say that society costs stuff ...  Pepperbelly   Apr-10-05 09:32 AM   #30 
  - Chill now, 'belly . . .  MrModerate   Apr-10-05 09:52 AM   #39 
  - I meant exactly what I said ...  Pepperbelly   Apr-10-05 09:55 AM   #41 
     - Right on Pepperbelly!  Dez   Apr-10-05 09:59 AM   #45 
     - If I were you, then . . .  MrModerate   Apr-10-05 10:03 AM   #49 
     - no that is not what we are talking about ...  Pepperbelly   Apr-10-05 10:10 AM   #52 
     - You are ignoring the constitution.  K-W   Apr-10-05 10:13 AM   #56 
        - Just to focus on the example at hand . . .  MrModerate   Apr-10-05 10:29 AM   #66 
           - I dare you to cite ...  Pepperbelly   Apr-10-05 10:34 AM   #69 
           - The constitution is silent on the subject of marijuana  MrModerate   Apr-10-05 11:57 AM   #101 
              - The constitution is quite vocal on the subject of prohibiting anything.  K-W   Apr-10-05 12:03 PM   #105 
              - Moral isn't the issue . . .  MrModerate   Apr-10-05 12:07 PM   #108 
                 - Of course morality is the issue.  K-W   Apr-10-05 12:14 PM   #112 
                    - Bogus argument? Yes. Protecting the public order a lie? Yes.  MrModerate   Apr-10-05 12:18 PM   #116 
                       - but it is unconstitutional, so what is your problem?  K-W   Apr-10-05 12:23 PM   #119 
                       - Your argument is that your behavior . .  MrModerate   Apr-10-05 12:49 PM   #134 
                          - bullshit ...  Pepperbelly   Apr-10-05 12:51 PM   #138 
                          - The politicians do whatever they want  Dez   Apr-10-05 01:04 PM   #146 
                             - yep and that is one of their many, many ...  Pepperbelly   Apr-10-05 01:06 PM   #149 
                          - You are wrong on both counts.  K-W   Apr-10-05 12:55 PM   #139 
                             - Bingo!  MrModerate   Apr-10-05 01:05 PM   #148 
                                - So your argument is that the courts are perfect?  K-W   Apr-10-05 01:11 PM   #151 
                                   - I have made up my mind.  MrModerate   Apr-10-05 01:17 PM   #154 
                                   - But that is not what they rely upon for the authority ...  Pepperbelly   Apr-10-05 01:38 PM   #160 
                                   - interstate commerce relates to jurisdiction  K-W   Apr-10-05 01:49 PM   #164 
                                   - I know but that is what they relied upon.  Pepperbelly   Apr-10-05 01:50 PM   #165 
                                   - Well they relied on two false assumptions.  K-W   Apr-10-05 01:53 PM   #168 
                                   - actually ...  Pepperbelly   Apr-10-05 01:56 PM   #169 
                                   - I didnt mean that there was,  K-W   Apr-10-05 02:03 PM   #172 
                                   - Not exactly horseshit:  MrModerate   Apr-10-05 01:56 PM   #170 
                                   - You are reaching for that one ...  Pepperbelly   Apr-10-05 02:04 PM   #173 
                                   - Fine, but you really should get a better understanding of our legal system  K-W   Apr-10-05 01:51 PM   #167 
                       - If that is so ... how does it differ ...  Pepperbelly   Apr-10-05 12:50 PM   #135 
              - Actually, it's not silent at all  kgfnally   Apr-10-05 12:21 PM   #118 
              - If you believe that "others retained by the people"  MrModerate   Apr-10-05 12:46 PM   #131 
                 - What are you talking about?  Pepperbelly   Apr-10-05 12:56 PM   #140 
                 - The one correct statement in your post proves you wrong.  K-W   Apr-10-05 01:00 PM   #143 
                    - Interesting, but . . . naaah.  MrModerate   Apr-10-05 01:12 PM   #152 
                       - Yes it does prohibit the state from regulating pot, you said so yourself  K-W   Apr-10-05 01:16 PM   #153 
                       - actually ... the prohibitionists relied on the ...  Pepperbelly   Apr-10-05 01:36 PM   #158 
              - did you deliberately ...  Pepperbelly   Apr-10-05 12:49 PM   # 
           - Of course it is unconstitutional.  K-W   Apr-10-05 10:37 AM   #73 
              - . . . putting tape on endless loop . . .  MrModerate   Apr-10-05 12:15 PM   #113 
                 - This is a discussion for another thread.  K-W   Apr-10-05 12:19 PM   #117 
                    - Nah, not a wacko, just wrong in this particular case.  MrModerate   Apr-10-05 01:01 PM   #144 
                       - what does that have to do with the topic of legalization?  Pepperbelly   Apr-10-05 01:04 PM   #145 
                       - Well, we are on a tangent now.  K-W   Apr-10-05 01:06 PM   #150 
                       - You go, guy! n/t  MrModerate   Apr-10-05 01:20 PM   #155 
                       - So you think that it is totally OK...  K-W   Apr-10-05 01:04 PM   #147 
     - Oh, and by the way -- I agree with you  Cats Against Frist   Apr-10-05 08:40 PM   #186 
  - Are you a libertarian?  Cats Against Frist   Apr-10-05 08:38 PM   #185 
  - And if it was legal, less people would smoke it.  K-W   Apr-10-05 09:35 AM   #33 
  - Not me . . . I hate the taste of cooked pot . . .  MrModerate   Apr-10-05 09:53 AM   #40 
     - Well, if you cook it right, that isnt so much of a problem.  K-W   Apr-10-05 09:56 AM   #42 
     - sautee' with butter...  Pepperbelly   Apr-10-05 09:58 AM   #43 
  - You don't know what you are talking about  firefox   Apr-10-05 10:58 AM   #79 
     - Actually I'm pretty clear what I'm talking about  MrModerate   Apr-10-05 12:04 PM   #106 
        - We're talking about, at heart, a very basic freedom  kgfnally   Apr-10-05 12:29 PM   #122 
        - You are ignoring valid arguments.  K-W   Apr-10-05 12:33 PM   #125 
           - I'm not ignoring, I just don't believe it's relevant  MrModerate   Apr-10-05 02:15 PM   #176 
  - I support legalization  proud2Blib   Apr-10-05 09:30 AM   #28 
  - Legalization is okay with me though I would never use it.  Zynx   Apr-10-05 09:35 AM   #32 
  - It should be legal  rock   Apr-10-05 09:36 AM   #34 
  - Legalize it, and make the penalty for accidents or deaths resulting  igil   Apr-10-05 09:59 AM   #44 
  - Please remember that for all the assumptions,  K-W   Apr-10-05 10:04 AM   #50 
     - Not logical, just pragmatic.  igil   Apr-10-05 12:01 PM   #103 
  - *puff, puff, pass*  Kazak   Apr-10-05 10:00 AM   #46 
  - Okay, I have controversial pot beliefs  Cats Against Frist   Apr-10-05 10:02 AM   #47 
  - People can be hooked on anything  Dez   Apr-10-05 10:07 AM   #51 
  - Facts you should know about hemp (link)  Kazak   Apr-10-05 10:12 AM   #55 
  - Thanks for that link!  SHRED   Apr-10-05 10:53 AM   #78 
  - You should stop making drugs a behavioral scapegoat.  K-W   Apr-10-05 10:18 AM   #61 
  - Pot now is different from the pot of the 60's  Mend   Apr-10-05 10:11 AM   #54 
  - that's a bunch of lying horseshit ...  Pepperbelly   Apr-10-05 10:14 AM   #57 
  - Whence this lying horseshit came  Lilith Velkor   Apr-10-05 11:42 AM   #98 
  - 27% ?? No way!  Dez   Apr-10-05 10:16 AM   #59 
  - It wasn't the government, it was a recovering alcoholic who  Mend   Apr-10-05 10:27 AM   #65 
     - Best pot I ever had was in 1969.  IMModerate   Apr-10-05 11:25 AM   #92 
  - Heh, dont worry, nobody is getting any higher now than in the 60's.  K-W   Apr-10-05 10:26 AM   #64 
  - there were reports of increases in schizophrenia  Mend   Apr-10-05 10:30 AM   #67 
     - Alcohol causes insanity  Dez   Apr-10-05 10:35 AM   #71 
     - Yes, fact based education is absolutely vital  K-W   Apr-10-05 10:43 AM   #77 
  - I agree with Pepper  Lost Texan in NC   Apr-10-05 10:38 AM   #74 
  - If the pot is more potent, you just smoke less... n/t  Blue_In_AK   Apr-10-05 12:26 PM   #121 
     - Not if you're cool. Cool people use that ot get higher  JVS   Apr-10-05 02:15 PM   #177 
        - Hey -- who you calling not cool????? n/t  Blue_In_AK   Apr-10-05 02:31 PM   #180 
  - Canada's Report, Sept 2002  LdyGuique   Apr-10-05 10:40 AM   #76 
  - Hey just diagnosed with glaucoma which "is 'nicely' controlled with drugs"  lonestarnot   Apr-10-05 11:03 AM   #82 
  - Not in our state.  Dez   Apr-10-05 11:09 AM   #84 
     - My guess is not in any state! and thanks for the well wish! n/t  lonestarnot   Apr-10-05 11:14 AM   #86 
        - in california  shanti   Apr-10-05 02:21 PM   #179 
           - Well I can't move just to get high damn it! LOL  lonestarnot   Apr-10-05 09:29 PM   #188 
  - I'm encouraged  Lost Texan in NC   Apr-10-05 11:08 AM   #83 
  - DU is a very special place.  K-W   Apr-10-05 11:09 AM   #85 
  - I made a vaporizer.  tabasco   Apr-10-05 11:16 AM   #87 
  - *wishing I had a vaporizor* n/t  Dez   Apr-10-05 11:19 AM   #88 
     - There are failry inexpensive models.  K-W   Apr-10-05 11:21 AM   #90 
        - just a glass tube?? n/t  Dez   Apr-10-05 11:24 AM   #91 
           - link for you  K-W   Apr-10-05 11:27 AM   #94 
              - Hey, thanks K-W :-) n/t  Dez   Apr-10-05 11:30 AM   #95 
  - i dont care about the legalization, i care about the characterization  seabeyond   Apr-10-05 11:20 AM   #89 
  - I don't smoke herb anymore but I have a natural born right  Zorra   Apr-10-05 11:26 AM   #93 
  - Legalize it don't criticize it...  not systems   Apr-10-05 11:32 AM   #96 
  - Less dangerous than aclohol in most respects  jpgray   Apr-10-05 11:44 AM   #99 
  - Pot is NOT a DRUG !  pissed_American   Apr-10-05 11:52 AM   #100 
  - Growing Pot  Lost Texan in NC   Apr-10-05 12:08 PM   #109 
  - I remember a commercial  RedCappedBandit   Apr-10-05 12:00 PM   #102 
  - Yea, let's stamp out terrorism  Dez   Apr-10-05 12:08 PM   #110 
  - I support complete decriminalization  Blue_In_AK   Apr-10-05 12:07 PM   #107 
  - yea, repuke pee checkers. n/t  Dez   Apr-10-05 12:16 PM   #114 
  - There's a problem  Lost Texan in NC   Apr-10-05 12:17 PM   #115 
     - Look how much smokers will pay for cigarettes, they arent growing tobbaco  K-W   Apr-10-05 12:25 PM   #120 
     - I think tobacco is 'way more complicated  Blue_In_AK   Apr-10-05 12:34 PM   #126 
        - Nope, you can just smoke it raw.  K-W   Apr-10-05 12:39 PM   #127 
        - Hmm, I did not know that.  Blue_In_AK   Apr-10-05 12:42 PM   #128 
           - my source for that information:  K-W   Apr-10-05 12:46 PM   #130 
              - I don't smoke cigarettes  Blue_In_AK   Apr-10-05 12:51 PM   #137 
        - Not really  Lost Texan in NC   Apr-10-05 12:49 PM   #133 
     - That's true...  Blue_In_AK   Apr-10-05 12:33 PM   #124 
        - There's another problem  Lost Texan in NC   Apr-10-05 12:44 PM   #129 
           - Yeah, that's true.  Blue_In_AK   Apr-10-05 12:58 PM   #142 
  - I support legalization  amazona   Apr-10-05 12:11 PM   #111 
  - The pharmaceutical companies  OxQQme   Apr-10-05 01:38 PM   #161 
  - I believe marijuana should be legal.  bush_is_wacko   Apr-10-05 12:58 PM   #141 
  - If the Founding Fathers had known these kinds of laws would be passed  Pepperbelly   Apr-10-05 01:22 PM   #156 
  - I am for complete legalization, and education about pot.  bamacrat   Apr-10-05 01:43 PM   #162 
  - Who is leading this parade?  Arwennick   Apr-10-05 01:43 PM   #163 
  - "Hemp stump"  Lost Texan in NC   Apr-10-05 02:10 PM   #174 
  - Legal Eye Zit  HeeBGBz   Apr-10-05 09:37 PM   #189 
  - Legalize it  ernstbass   Apr-11-05 10:58 AM   #191 
 

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