| 38. Yes paranoid fear, you have no proof. |
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Edited on Sun Apr-10-05 10:01 AM by K-W
It is not in any way shape or form a chicken/egg argument.
To make something illegal you must PROVE that it places an undue burden on the rights of others.
You have proven nothing. Government cannot regulate behavior because it thinks it has a good reason, but doesnt want to bother proving it. Or at least its not supposed to be able, but far too many Americans dont care a wit about the constitution.
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| -Let's talk about Pot |
Lost Texan in NC |
Apr-10-05 08:34 AM |
#0 |
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Here you go..... |
whistle |
Apr-10-05 08:36 AM |
#1 |
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Pot is bad, m'kay? |
Cooley Hurd |
Apr-10-05 08:38 AM |
#2 |
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"Uh. uh-boys, ele- LSD is bad. Hmm..." |
Swamp Rat |
Apr-10-05 09:26 PM |
#187 |
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Legalize it n/t |
carnie_sf |
Apr-10-05 08:39 AM |
#3 |
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Talk about it, hell--let's fire up the bong. |
smoogatz |
Apr-10-05 08:39 AM |
#4 |
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I covered it here |
SHRED |
Apr-10-05 08:40 AM |
#5 |
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I am not a current user, but |
FtWayneBlue |
Apr-10-05 09:25 AM |
#25 |
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Thanks |
SHRED |
Apr-10-05 09:42 AM |
#36 |
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I have mixed feelings on this - But Holland seems to be doing OK. |
suziedemocrat |
Apr-10-05 10:15 AM |
#58 |
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I understand your concerns |
SHRED |
Apr-10-05 10:34 AM |
#70 |
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I think Ziggy Marley might be the hardest working in the Music Business. |
suziedemocrat |
Apr-10-05 10:59 AM |
#80 |
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my view on pot? |
Pepperbelly |
Apr-10-05 08:41 AM |
#6 |
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No taxation |
Must_B_Free |
Apr-10-05 08:41 AM |
#7 |
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Taxes will come... |
SHRED |
Apr-10-05 08:45 AM |
#9 |
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Taxing its trade is different than allowing you to grow your own. |
K-W |
Apr-10-05 09:16 AM |
#19 |
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Be reasonable |
Lost Texan in NC |
Apr-10-05 09:21 AM |
#20 |
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They would get more than enough revenue... |
SHRED |
Apr-10-05 09:37 AM |
#35 |
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100% agreement. |
chicagojoe |
Apr-10-05 08:44 AM |
#8 |
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I don't smoke pot, but I feel it should be legalized and employers |
B Calm |
Apr-10-05 08:45 AM |
#10 |
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Some are |
Lost Texan in NC |
Apr-10-05 09:09 AM |
#17 |
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I work for Bellsouth, if they stopped it, its the first I heard of it. |
steelyboo |
Apr-10-05 02:16 PM |
#178 |
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Local Media said |
Lost Texan in NC |
Apr-10-05 02:35 PM |
#181 |
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Heh, i might have been stoned and missed it |
steelyboo |
Apr-10-05 02:50 PM |
#183 |
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Legalize pot and industrial hemp |
DoYouEverWonder |
Apr-10-05 08:47 AM |
#11 |
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I thought it would be legal long ago |
acmejack |
Apr-10-05 08:51 AM |
#12 |
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Prohibition Is Senseless and Counterproductive Social Policy! |
DistressedAmerican |
Apr-10-05 08:54 AM |
#13 |
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Shoulda attached a poll ;) |
Mr_Spock |
Apr-10-05 09:00 AM |
#14 |
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Paranoid? |
Lost Texan in NC |
Apr-10-05 11:01 AM |
#81 |
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I lived in Arcata for a while |
XemaSab |
Apr-10-05 12:48 PM |
#132 |
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I think everyone has paranoid thoughts all the time |
K-W |
Apr-10-05 12:50 PM |
#136 |
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Exactly - some of us have more self-deprecating thoughts than others |
Mr_Spock |
Apr-11-05 10:34 AM |
#190 |
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Every time I see bushels of primo ganja being carted away by cops |
DS1 |
Apr-10-05 09:02 AM |
#15 |
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A little hope |
Lost Texan in NC |
Apr-10-05 12:32 PM |
#123 |
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This is very true. |
Blue_In_AK |
Apr-10-05 01:36 PM |
#159 |
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As in another post |
Lost Texan in NC |
Apr-10-05 01:59 PM |
#171 |
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I literally just finished this book this weekend, and the poster is spot |
steelyboo |
Apr-10-05 02:14 PM |
#175 |
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Thanks for recommend |
Lost Texan in NC |
Apr-10-05 02:48 PM |
#182 |
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one step at a time. |
Discord |
Apr-10-05 09:07 AM |
#16 |
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We need to change the laws |
Dez |
Apr-10-05 09:12 AM |
#18 |
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a good historical summary: |
utopiansecretagent |
Apr-10-05 09:22 AM |
#21 |
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Some more info |
Lost Texan in NC |
Apr-10-05 01:28 PM |
#157 |
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Drug laws are blatently unconstitutional and should be dropped ASAP |
K-W |
Apr-10-05 09:23 AM |
#22 |
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Right on!!!! No one has been able to answer this simple question. |
Pepperbelly |
Apr-10-05 09:29 AM |
#26 |
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30 Years And Too Much Ground To Cover Here... |
KharmaTrain |
Apr-10-05 09:24 AM |
#23 |
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One thing you forgot |
Lost Texan in NC |
Apr-10-05 09:29 AM |
#27 |
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That was Nixon's logic. |
K-W |
Apr-10-05 09:33 AM |
#31 |
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Why do you think you get to draw lines on how it is legalized? |
K-W |
Apr-10-05 09:31 AM |
#29 |
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Not Paranoid Fear |
KharmaTrain |
Apr-10-05 09:42 AM |
#37 |
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Yes paranoid fear, you have no proof. |
K-W |
Apr-10-05 09:51 AM |
#38 |
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So You Believe In Drunk Driving Laws? |
KharmaTrain |
Apr-10-05 10:03 AM |
#48 |
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Nobody is talking about utopia, stop making straw men. |
K-W |
Apr-10-05 10:11 AM |
#53 |
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Legalize Possible Dangers? Interesting |
KharmaTrain |
Apr-10-05 10:25 AM |
#63 |
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I am not talking about utopia, stop putting words in my mouth |
K-W |
Apr-10-05 10:31 AM |
#68 |
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Sheesh...You Assume A Lot |
KharmaTrain |
Apr-10-05 10:36 AM |
#72 |
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I have made no assumptions, why do you keep putting words in my mouth? |
K-W |
Apr-10-05 10:39 AM |
#75 |
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Lighten up guys |
Lost Texan in NC |
Apr-10-05 01:51 PM |
#166 |
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Driving while enhanced |
firefox |
Apr-10-05 11:36 AM |
#97 |
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Working in the trucking industry in the 70's.... |
CanSocDem |
Apr-10-05 12:02 PM |
#104 |
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Whoa, whoa, whoa -- wait just one red second |
Cats Against Frist |
Apr-10-05 10:16 AM |
#60 |
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All I am asking is for you to prove your assumptions. |
K-W |
Apr-10-05 10:21 AM |
#62 |
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I don't "not want people smoking pot" |
Cats Against Frist |
Apr-10-05 08:36 PM |
#184 |
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Pot is NOT harmless! |
MrModerate |
Apr-10-05 09:25 AM |
#24 |
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those that say that society costs stuff ... |
Pepperbelly |
Apr-10-05 09:32 AM |
#30 |
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Chill now, 'belly . . . |
MrModerate |
Apr-10-05 09:52 AM |
#39 |
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I meant exactly what I said ... |
Pepperbelly |
Apr-10-05 09:55 AM |
#41 |
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Right on Pepperbelly! |
Dez |
Apr-10-05 09:59 AM |
#45 |
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If I were you, then . . . |
MrModerate |
Apr-10-05 10:03 AM |
#49 |
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no that is not what we are talking about ... |
Pepperbelly |
Apr-10-05 10:10 AM |
#52 |
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You are ignoring the constitution. |
K-W |
Apr-10-05 10:13 AM |
#56 |
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Just to focus on the example at hand . . . |
MrModerate |
Apr-10-05 10:29 AM |
#66 |
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I dare you to cite ... |
Pepperbelly |
Apr-10-05 10:34 AM |
#69 |
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The constitution is silent on the subject of marijuana |
MrModerate |
Apr-10-05 11:57 AM |
#101 |
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The constitution is quite vocal on the subject of prohibiting anything. |
K-W |
Apr-10-05 12:03 PM |
#105 |
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Moral isn't the issue . . . |
MrModerate |
Apr-10-05 12:07 PM |
#108 |
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Of course morality is the issue. |
K-W |
Apr-10-05 12:14 PM |
#112 |
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Bogus argument? Yes. Protecting the public order a lie? Yes. |
MrModerate |
Apr-10-05 12:18 PM |
#116 |
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but it is unconstitutional, so what is your problem? |
K-W |
Apr-10-05 12:23 PM |
#119 |
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Your argument is that your behavior . . |
MrModerate |
Apr-10-05 12:49 PM |
#134 |
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bullshit ... |
Pepperbelly |
Apr-10-05 12:51 PM |
#138 |
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The politicians do whatever they want |
Dez |
Apr-10-05 01:04 PM |
#146 |
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yep and that is one of their many, many ... |
Pepperbelly |
Apr-10-05 01:06 PM |
#149 |
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You are wrong on both counts. |
K-W |
Apr-10-05 12:55 PM |
#139 |
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Bingo! |
MrModerate |
Apr-10-05 01:05 PM |
#148 |
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So your argument is that the courts are perfect? |
K-W |
Apr-10-05 01:11 PM |
#151 |
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I have made up my mind. |
MrModerate |
Apr-10-05 01:17 PM |
#154 |
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But that is not what they rely upon for the authority ... |
Pepperbelly |
Apr-10-05 01:38 PM |
#160 |
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interstate commerce relates to jurisdiction |
K-W |
Apr-10-05 01:49 PM |
#164 |
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I know but that is what they relied upon. |
Pepperbelly |
Apr-10-05 01:50 PM |
#165 |
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Well they relied on two false assumptions. |
K-W |
Apr-10-05 01:53 PM |
#168 |
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actually ... |
Pepperbelly |
Apr-10-05 01:56 PM |
#169 |
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I didnt mean that there was, |
K-W |
Apr-10-05 02:03 PM |
#172 |
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Not exactly horseshit: |
MrModerate |
Apr-10-05 01:56 PM |
#170 |
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You are reaching for that one ... |
Pepperbelly |
Apr-10-05 02:04 PM |
#173 |
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Fine, but you really should get a better understanding of our legal system |
K-W |
Apr-10-05 01:51 PM |
#167 |
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If that is so ... how does it differ ... |
Pepperbelly |
Apr-10-05 12:50 PM |
#135 |
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Actually, it's not silent at all |
kgfnally |
Apr-10-05 12:21 PM |
#118 |
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If you believe that "others retained by the people" |
MrModerate |
Apr-10-05 12:46 PM |
#131 |
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What are you talking about? |
Pepperbelly |
Apr-10-05 12:56 PM |
#140 |
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The one correct statement in your post proves you wrong. |
K-W |
Apr-10-05 01:00 PM |
#143 |
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Interesting, but . . . naaah. |
MrModerate |
Apr-10-05 01:12 PM |
#152 |
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Yes it does prohibit the state from regulating pot, you said so yourself |
K-W |
Apr-10-05 01:16 PM |
#153 |
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actually ... the prohibitionists relied on the ... |
Pepperbelly |
Apr-10-05 01:36 PM |
#158 |
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did you deliberately ... |
Pepperbelly |
Apr-10-05 12:49 PM |
# |
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Of course it is unconstitutional. |
K-W |
Apr-10-05 10:37 AM |
#73 |
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. . . putting tape on endless loop . . . |
MrModerate |
Apr-10-05 12:15 PM |
#113 |
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This is a discussion for another thread. |
K-W |
Apr-10-05 12:19 PM |
#117 |
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Nah, not a wacko, just wrong in this particular case. |
MrModerate |
Apr-10-05 01:01 PM |
#144 |
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what does that have to do with the topic of legalization? |
Pepperbelly |
Apr-10-05 01:04 PM |
#145 |
| -
Well, we are on a tangent now. |
K-W |
Apr-10-05 01:06 PM |
#150 |
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You go, guy! n/t |
MrModerate |
Apr-10-05 01:20 PM |
#155 |
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So you think that it is totally OK... |
K-W |
Apr-10-05 01:04 PM |
#147 |
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Oh, and by the way -- I agree with you |
Cats Against Frist |
Apr-10-05 08:40 PM |
#186 |
| -
Are you a libertarian? |
Cats Against Frist |
Apr-10-05 08:38 PM |
#185 |
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And if it was legal, less people would smoke it. |
K-W |
Apr-10-05 09:35 AM |
#33 |
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Not me . . . I hate the taste of cooked pot . . . |
MrModerate |
Apr-10-05 09:53 AM |
#40 |
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Well, if you cook it right, that isnt so much of a problem. |
K-W |
Apr-10-05 09:56 AM |
#42 |
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sautee' with butter... |
Pepperbelly |
Apr-10-05 09:58 AM |
#43 |
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You don't know what you are talking about |
firefox |
Apr-10-05 10:58 AM |
#79 |
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Actually I'm pretty clear what I'm talking about |
MrModerate |
Apr-10-05 12:04 PM |
#106 |
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We're talking about, at heart, a very basic freedom |
kgfnally |
Apr-10-05 12:29 PM |
#122 |
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You are ignoring valid arguments. |
K-W |
Apr-10-05 12:33 PM |
#125 |
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I'm not ignoring, I just don't believe it's relevant |
MrModerate |
Apr-10-05 02:15 PM |
#176 |
| -
I support legalization |
proud2Blib |
Apr-10-05 09:30 AM |
#28 |
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Legalization is okay with me though I would never use it. |
Zynx |
Apr-10-05 09:35 AM |
#32 |
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It should be legal |
rock |
Apr-10-05 09:36 AM |
#34 |
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Legalize it, and make the penalty for accidents or deaths resulting |
igil |
Apr-10-05 09:59 AM |
#44 |
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Please remember that for all the assumptions, |
K-W |
Apr-10-05 10:04 AM |
#50 |
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Not logical, just pragmatic. |
igil |
Apr-10-05 12:01 PM |
#103 |
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*puff, puff, pass* |
Kazak |
Apr-10-05 10:00 AM |
#46 |
| -
Okay, I have controversial pot beliefs |
Cats Against Frist |
Apr-10-05 10:02 AM |
#47 |
| -
People can be hooked on anything |
Dez |
Apr-10-05 10:07 AM |
#51 |
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Facts you should know about hemp (link) |
Kazak |
Apr-10-05 10:12 AM |
#55 |
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Thanks for that link! |
SHRED |
Apr-10-05 10:53 AM |
#78 |
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You should stop making drugs a behavioral scapegoat. |
K-W |
Apr-10-05 10:18 AM |
#61 |
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Pot now is different from the pot of the 60's |
Mend |
Apr-10-05 10:11 AM |
#54 |
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that's a bunch of lying horseshit ... |
Pepperbelly |
Apr-10-05 10:14 AM |
#57 |
| -
Whence this lying horseshit came |
Lilith Velkor |
Apr-10-05 11:42 AM |
#98 |
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27% ?? No way! |
Dez |
Apr-10-05 10:16 AM |
#59 |
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It wasn't the government, it was a recovering alcoholic who |
Mend |
Apr-10-05 10:27 AM |
#65 |
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Best pot I ever had was in 1969. |
IMModerate |
Apr-10-05 11:25 AM |
#92 |
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Heh, dont worry, nobody is getting any higher now than in the 60's. |
K-W |
Apr-10-05 10:26 AM |
#64 |
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there were reports of increases in schizophrenia |
Mend |
Apr-10-05 10:30 AM |
#67 |
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Alcohol causes insanity |
Dez |
Apr-10-05 10:35 AM |
#71 |
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Yes, fact based education is absolutely vital |
K-W |
Apr-10-05 10:43 AM |
#77 |
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I agree with Pepper |
Lost Texan in NC |
Apr-10-05 10:38 AM |
#74 |
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If the pot is more potent, you just smoke less... n/t |
Blue_In_AK |
Apr-10-05 12:26 PM |
#121 |
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Not if you're cool. Cool people use that ot get higher |
JVS |
Apr-10-05 02:15 PM |
#177 |
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Hey -- who you calling not cool????? n/t |
Blue_In_AK |
Apr-10-05 02:31 PM |
#180 |
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Canada's Report, Sept 2002 |
LdyGuique |
Apr-10-05 10:40 AM |
#76 |
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Hey just diagnosed with glaucoma which "is 'nicely' controlled with drugs" |
lonestarnot |
Apr-10-05 11:03 AM |
#82 |
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Not in our state. |
Dez |
Apr-10-05 11:09 AM |
#84 |
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My guess is not in any state! and thanks for the well wish! n/t |
lonestarnot |
Apr-10-05 11:14 AM |
#86 |
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in california |
shanti |
Apr-10-05 02:21 PM |
#179 |
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Well I can't move just to get high damn it! LOL |
lonestarnot |
Apr-10-05 09:29 PM |
#188 |
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I'm encouraged |
Lost Texan in NC |
Apr-10-05 11:08 AM |
#83 |
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DU is a very special place. |
K-W |
Apr-10-05 11:09 AM |
#85 |
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I made a vaporizer. |
tabasco |
Apr-10-05 11:16 AM |
#87 |
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*wishing I had a vaporizor* n/t |
Dez |
Apr-10-05 11:19 AM |
#88 |
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There are failry inexpensive models. |
K-W |
Apr-10-05 11:21 AM |
#90 |
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just a glass tube?? n/t |
Dez |
Apr-10-05 11:24 AM |
#91 |
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link for you |
K-W |
Apr-10-05 11:27 AM |
#94 |
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Hey, thanks K-W :-) n/t |
Dez |
Apr-10-05 11:30 AM |
#95 |
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i dont care about the legalization, i care about the characterization |
seabeyond |
Apr-10-05 11:20 AM |
#89 |
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I don't smoke herb anymore but I have a natural born right |
Zorra |
Apr-10-05 11:26 AM |
#93 |
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Legalize it don't criticize it... |
not systems |
Apr-10-05 11:32 AM |
#96 |
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Less dangerous than aclohol in most respects |
jpgray |
Apr-10-05 11:44 AM |
#99 |
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Pot is NOT a DRUG ! |
pissed_American |
Apr-10-05 11:52 AM |
#100 |
| -
Growing Pot |
Lost Texan in NC |
Apr-10-05 12:08 PM |
#109 |
| -
I remember a commercial |
RedCappedBandit |
Apr-10-05 12:00 PM |
#102 |
| -
Yea, let's stamp out terrorism |
Dez |
Apr-10-05 12:08 PM |
#110 |
| -
I support complete decriminalization |
Blue_In_AK |
Apr-10-05 12:07 PM |
#107 |
| -
yea, repuke pee checkers. n/t |
Dez |
Apr-10-05 12:16 PM |
#114 |
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There's a problem |
Lost Texan in NC |
Apr-10-05 12:17 PM |
#115 |
| -
Look how much smokers will pay for cigarettes, they arent growing tobbaco |
K-W |
Apr-10-05 12:25 PM |
#120 |
| -
I think tobacco is 'way more complicated |
Blue_In_AK |
Apr-10-05 12:34 PM |
#126 |
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Nope, you can just smoke it raw. |
K-W |
Apr-10-05 12:39 PM |
#127 |
| -
Hmm, I did not know that. |
Blue_In_AK |
Apr-10-05 12:42 PM |
#128 |
| -
my source for that information: |
K-W |
Apr-10-05 12:46 PM |
#130 |
| -
I don't smoke cigarettes |
Blue_In_AK |
Apr-10-05 12:51 PM |
#137 |
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Not really |
Lost Texan in NC |
Apr-10-05 12:49 PM |
#133 |
| -
That's true... |
Blue_In_AK |
Apr-10-05 12:33 PM |
#124 |
| -
There's another problem |
Lost Texan in NC |
Apr-10-05 12:44 PM |
#129 |
| -
Yeah, that's true. |
Blue_In_AK |
Apr-10-05 12:58 PM |
#142 |
| -
I support legalization |
amazona |
Apr-10-05 12:11 PM |
#111 |
| -
The pharmaceutical companies |
OxQQme |
Apr-10-05 01:38 PM |
#161 |
| -
I believe marijuana should be legal. |
bush_is_wacko |
Apr-10-05 12:58 PM |
#141 |
| -
If the Founding Fathers had known these kinds of laws would be passed |
Pepperbelly |
Apr-10-05 01:22 PM |
#156 |
| -
I am for complete legalization, and education about pot. |
bamacrat |
Apr-10-05 01:43 PM |
#162 |
| -
Who is leading this parade? |
Arwennick |
Apr-10-05 01:43 PM |
#163 |
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"Hemp stump" |
Lost Texan in NC |
Apr-10-05 02:10 PM |
#174 |
| -
Legal Eye Zit |
HeeBGBz |
Apr-10-05 09:37 PM |
#189 |
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Legalize it |
ernstbass |
Apr-11-05 10:58 AM |
#191 |
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