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162. I agree with you.
Edited on Thu Apr-07-05 02:47 AM by fleabert
on edit: I had more to say, but then I read the whole thread and changed my mind...my post was out of place. Keep fighting the good fight!

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  -There IS no flood of Mexican immigrants across the border. SemiCharmedQuark  Apr-06-05 07:43 PM   #0 
  - there are alot here doing labor after the hurricanes  7th_Sephiroth   Apr-06-05 07:47 PM   #1 
  - Oh well, that cinches it then, they must be illegals.  SemiCharmedQuark   Apr-06-05 07:49 PM   #2 
  - i asked one  7th_Sephiroth   Apr-06-05 07:52 PM   #5 
  - Oh well then, my mistake...I guess that proves a flood.  SemiCharmedQuark   Apr-06-05 07:53 PM   #7 
  - i speak a little  7th_Sephiroth   Apr-06-05 08:07 PM   #23 
     - Do you not see the problem here, known as  Cleita   Apr-06-05 09:56 PM   #106 
        - i have been trying to get acess to this company  7th_Sephiroth   Apr-06-05 10:06 PM   #113 
  - Okay--they SNEAK across the border  Horse with no Name   Apr-06-05 08:25 PM   #41 
     - i saw a guy with a large roll of cash  7th_Sephiroth   Apr-06-05 08:30 PM   #46 
     - Totally doesn't make sense  ultraist   Apr-06-05 08:35 PM   #53 
        - Reminds me  Tomee450   Apr-06-05 10:02 PM   #110 
           - I thought they were the welfare queens Reagan tried to  Cleita   Apr-06-05 10:12 PM   #120 
              - True,  Tomee450   Apr-07-05 12:45 AM   #155 
  - Also remember that , part of the time, the motive is harassment  tubbacheez   Apr-06-05 07:57 PM   #11 
  - They have the same model of truck? Omigod, that proves it!  Redstone   Apr-06-05 07:51 PM   #3 
  - There are lots of areas of Texas  Horse with no Name   Apr-06-05 08:22 PM   #39 
  - The sense of "invasion" is usually the perceiver's own fault.  tubbacheez   Apr-06-05 07:52 PM   #4 
  - Sorry, but we are being overrun.  Placebo   Apr-06-05 07:53 PM   #6 
  - Why don't you go ahead and post the numbers?  SemiCharmedQuark   Apr-06-05 07:54 PM   #8 
     - here:  Placebo   Apr-06-05 07:57 PM   #10 
     - Notice it says "combined"  SemiCharmedQuark   Apr-06-05 08:00 PM   #14 
     - okay Santa Claus.  Placebo   Apr-06-05 08:02 PM   #17 
     - Sure, here you go:  SemiCharmedQuark   Apr-06-05 08:05 PM   #21 
     - Okay...  Placebo   Apr-06-05 08:10 PM   #28 
        - The Southern Law Poverty Center is biased?  SemiCharmedQuark   Apr-06-05 08:12 PM   #30 
        - I didn't say they were.  Placebo   Apr-06-05 08:16 PM   #32 
        - It's not. No more than it was flooded by the Chinese, the Irish or the  SemiCharmedQuark   Apr-06-05 08:18 PM   #33 
        - or the Greeks.  jdj   Apr-06-05 10:50 PM   #141 
        - Bullshit!  Maestro   Apr-06-05 08:36 PM   #56 
        - Man....  proud_dem   Apr-07-05 09:58 AM   #190 
        - SPLC is a great source.  H2O Man   Apr-06-05 08:43 PM   #65 
        - Then you post some good links Placebo buddy  Maestro   Apr-06-05 08:25 PM   #43 
        - FAIR gets money from the Pioneer Fund, which sponsors eugenics studies  Kathy in Cambridge   Apr-06-05 08:31 PM   #48 
        - Why do some people...  Placebo   Apr-06-05 08:32 PM   # 
           - No, you were looking SPECIFICALLY to point to MExicans as the threat  SemiCharmedQuark   Apr-06-05 08:37 PM   #57 
           - You posted a newspaper article  Maestro   Apr-06-05 08:38 PM   #58 
        - The third isn't just about racists,  Virginian   Apr-07-05 08:50 AM   #183 
     - In terms of making a well-reasoned case  H2O Man   Apr-06-05 08:09 PM   #26 
        - His own source has numbers that are less than 1% of the population.  SemiCharmedQuark   Apr-06-05 08:11 PM   #29 
           - How is 10.3 million people, 1% of the population?  Placebo   Apr-06-05 08:19 PM   #34 
           - Did you read your own artiicle? That is ALL illegals, not just Mexicans  SemiCharmedQuark   Apr-06-05 08:20 PM   #37 
              - Well guess where they're primarily coming from?  Placebo   Apr-06-05 08:24 PM   #40 
                 - The number if illegals from MEXICO is HALF that.  SemiCharmedQuark   Apr-06-05 08:25 PM   #44 
                 - The largest immigrant groups in the Northeast come from:  Kathy in Cambridge   Apr-06-05 08:53 PM   #70 
                    - There are also  H2O Man   Apr-06-05 09:01 PM   #81 
                 - What the hell does that mean?  Maestro   Apr-06-05 08:58 PM   #79 
                 - In the Northeast in the 1970s, most of the illegals were from Ireland  Lydia Leftcoast   Apr-06-05 10:40 PM   #137 
                    - That was also during the peak days of the IRA  Virginian   Apr-07-05 09:04 AM   #187 
           - Sure.  H2O Man   Apr-06-05 08:22 PM   #38 
              - Then why are both borders not watched?  SemiCharmedQuark   Apr-06-05 08:30 PM   #47 
                 - I agree.  H2O Man   Apr-06-05 08:38 PM   #59 
                    - Then I don't think we disagree.  SemiCharmedQuark   Apr-06-05 08:41 PM   #62 
                       - I agree  H2O Man   Apr-06-05 08:55 PM   #74 
     - Good lord, man!  dpibel   Apr-06-05 09:36 PM   #101 
     - There's a rational discussion to be had here  LittleClarkie   Apr-07-05 01:36 AM   #158 
        - With all due respect  dpibel   Apr-07-05 02:50 AM   #165 
           - The OP says there is no flood  LittleClarkie   Apr-07-05 02:55 AM   #166 
              - My family lives and has lived in Harlingen TX for decades  SemiCharmedQuark   Apr-07-05 08:03 AM   #175 
     - I worked with illegals a lot back when it wasn't illegal to  Cleita   Apr-06-05 10:06 PM   #115 
     - It is combining the 3 jurisdictions of the DC metropolitian area.  Virginian   Apr-07-05 08:46 AM   #182 
     - 5.9 million are Mexican  Maestro   Apr-06-05 08:29 PM   #45 
     - That's still a goddamn lot of people  theboss   Apr-06-05 10:00 PM   #108 
        - A goddam lot of people!?  Maestro   Apr-06-05 10:29 PM   #131 
     - It's rather odd  Tomee450   Apr-06-05 10:11 PM   #119 
     - Interesting.  Maestro   Apr-06-05 10:30 PM   #133 
     - 11,000,000? Heck, that's only a little more than the combined population  Zorra   Apr-07-05 12:17 AM   #153 
        - The person per square mile in those states is 1-2.  SemiCharmedQuark   Apr-07-05 08:43 AM   #181 
     - Actually, I'll post them for you.  SemiCharmedQuark   Apr-06-05 07:58 PM   #12 
        - Why did you post your own data...  Placebo   Apr-06-05 08:01 PM   #16 
        - You notice illegal immigration becomes a talking point when the economy is  Kathy in Cambridge   Apr-06-05 08:04 PM   # 
           - Exactly. It always ALWAYS comes up after a recession.  SemiCharmedQuark   Apr-06-05 08:06 PM   #22 
  - I respect your right to believe what you want.  WillowTree   Apr-06-05 07:57 PM   #9 
  - Post the numbers.  SemiCharmedQuark   Apr-06-05 07:59 PM   #13 
  - Agreed.  Placebo   Apr-06-05 08:03 PM   #18 
     - Your own article said gave numbers making them about 1% of the population  SemiCharmedQuark   Apr-06-05 08:08 PM   #24 
     - Whatever Placebo  Maestro   Apr-06-05 08:32 PM   #50 
        - 81% of illegal immigrants...  Placebo   Apr-06-05 08:41 PM   #63 
        - Where'd you get that from? Not from the article you cited earlier  SemiCharmedQuark   Apr-06-05 08:43 PM   #64 
        - So which article gives false information? This uncited one? Or the other  SemiCharmedQuark   Apr-06-05 08:48 PM   #67 
        - So your problem is with Spanish speaking people?  Maestro   Apr-06-05 09:05 PM   #84 
        - They are not distributed equally across the country  theboss   Apr-06-05 10:05 PM   #112 
           - Then I want to see a break down of cities  Maestro   Apr-06-05 10:52 PM   #142 
              - Maybe these people just really like the ones smuggled in for sex trade!  countryjake   Apr-07-05 03:50 AM   #167 
  - Posters have used the Center for Immigration Studies, FAIR,  Kathy in Cambridge   Apr-06-05 08:01 PM   #15 
  - You are WAAAAYYY wrong poster! Border looks like a colony of ants.  lonestarnot   Apr-06-05 08:03 PM   #19 
  - Proof?  Kathy in Cambridge   Apr-06-05 08:08 PM   #25 
  - A colony of ants! Ha ha! They're uninvited pests...parasites.  SemiCharmedQuark   Apr-06-05 08:10 PM   #27 
  - I guess I'm being overly sensitive about this issue  Kathy in Cambridge   Apr-06-05 08:20 PM   #36 
     - In 100 years, people will look back at this and compare it to NINA  SemiCharmedQuark   Apr-06-05 08:25 PM   #42 
     - Worries me cause of what'll happen when they find out deportation...  countryjake   Apr-07-05 06:30 AM   #173 
     - What racism?  Placebo   Apr-06-05 08:33 PM   #51 
     - You haven't seen the other threads  Kathy in Cambridge   Apr-06-05 08:36 PM   #54 
     - Late to the party Placebo  Maestro   Apr-06-05 08:39 PM   #60 
     - I bet he saw the other threads  Kathy in Cambridge   Apr-06-05 08:54 PM   #73 
        - Personally I'm sick of it  Maestro   Apr-06-05 09:01 PM   #82 
     - What racism?  lonestarnot   Apr-06-05 10:25 PM   #128 
        - Well, of course he's legal  Lydia Leftcoast   Apr-06-05 10:44 PM   #139 
           - Are you trying to tell me something? LOL  lonestarnot   Apr-06-05 11:04 PM   #144 
     - Me too  proud2Blib   Apr-06-05 08:33 PM   #52 
        - Why is FAIR involved in state isses?  Kathy in Cambridge   Apr-06-05 08:40 PM   #61 
           - We have been asking the same question since this came out a year or so ago  proud2Blib   Apr-06-05 08:53 PM   #69 
  - numbers are posted above in previous post and these are only estimated  lonestarnot   Apr-06-05 10:28 PM   #130 
  - That is funny  Maestro   Apr-06-05 08:45 PM   #66 
  - Miniscule Men LOL  proud2Blib   Apr-06-05 08:59 PM   #80 
  - Let's see  LittleClarkie   Apr-07-05 01:41 AM   #159 
     - My family lives in....TX!  SemiCharmedQuark   Apr-07-05 08:08 AM   #176 
  - I recommend a book for you  fishnfla   Apr-06-05 08:04 PM   #20 
  - INS estimates 7 million illegal aliens in the U.S. in 2000  Walt Starr   Apr-06-05 08:15 PM   #31 
  - I keep reading this over and over again and yes I see your  Cleita   Apr-06-05 08:32 PM   #49 
  - You propose an explanation, but offer nothing to back it up  Walt Starr   Apr-06-05 08:53 PM   #68 
     - Page two of the report from the highly credible source you provided  Cleita   Apr-06-05 09:42 PM   #104 
  - Well, Yes...  Milspec   Apr-06-05 09:21 PM   #94 
     - What would you consider a flood?  Walt Starr   Apr-06-05 09:36 PM   #102 
  - Exactly.  Cleita   Apr-06-05 08:19 PM   #35 
  - Good point  proud2Blib   Apr-06-05 08:36 PM   #55 
     - Most people of Hispanic origin are NOT illegal aliens  Walt Starr   Apr-06-05 08:56 PM   #75 
     - 100,000 in a country of 290 million is hardly an invasion.  SemiCharmedQuark   Apr-06-05 08:57 PM   #78 
        - Mexico, on the other hand, is quite different from the others.  Walt Starr   Apr-06-05 09:03 PM   #83 
           - Compared to the national population  Maestro   Apr-06-05 09:07 PM   #86 
           - Well, based upon the conservative estimates of the INS, 3% of those  Walt Starr   Apr-06-05 09:14 PM   #90 
           - And the Census Bureau disagrees. Also, where does it say that that  SemiCharmedQuark   Apr-06-05 09:17 PM   #92 
              - I call it conservative because PEW Research says 10.5 million  Walt Starr   Apr-06-05 09:25 PM   #98 
                 - No, it says 10.5 million TOTAL, not Mexicans. It's 5.9 Mil. Mexicans  SemiCharmedQuark   Apr-06-05 09:42 PM   #105 
                    - Right, Pew says 10.5 million total, INS says 7 million total  Walt Starr   Apr-07-05 08:19 AM   #178 
           - 3% of the population are illegal aliens  Walt Starr   Apr-06-05 09:23 PM   #96 
           - Your premise is flawed. Most illegals are on overstayed visas, not  SemiCharmedQuark   Apr-06-05 09:11 PM   #88 
              - Read the link in post #31. You're wrong. n/t  Walt Starr   Apr-06-05 09:12 PM   #89 
                 - Ok, where does it say how many come over the border daily?  SemiCharmedQuark   Apr-06-05 09:15 PM   #91 
                 - Do the math  Walt Starr   Apr-06-05 09:22 PM   #95 
                    - Ok...but that still doesn't take into account that most are overstays.  SemiCharmedQuark   Apr-06-05 09:24 PM   #97 
                       - HAve you got a link to "most are overstays"? n/t  Walt Starr   Apr-06-05 09:25 PM   #99 
                       - Sure. Take the quiz.  SemiCharmedQuark   Apr-06-05 09:41 PM   #103 
                       - Took the quiz. 40% of illegal aliens enter from the Southern border  Walt Starr   Apr-07-05 08:16 AM   #177 
                          - No...350,000 illegals per year and take 40 percent of that.  SemiCharmedQuark   Apr-07-05 08:41 AM   #180 
                             - NO NO NO NO NO, that's NET, after those who were overstaying  Walt Starr   Apr-07-05 08:59 AM   #185 
                                - No, link 31 links to a site that says there is NO way to tell them apart.  SemiCharmedQuark   Apr-07-05 09:01 AM   #186 
                                   - Read the entire document. n/t  Walt Starr   Apr-07-05 10:18 AM   #191 
                       - Hey, quit bringing facts into the argument!  ArkDem   Apr-07-05 09:08 AM   #188 
                       - Also, turn to page 12 of that document linked in post #31  Walt Starr   Apr-06-05 09:33 PM   #100 
                 - Your article says the new method makes it impossible to distinguish  SemiCharmedQuark   Apr-06-05 09:19 PM   #93 
     - In Boston, Dominicans and Salvadorans comprise the majority of Latino  Kathy in Cambridge   Apr-06-05 08:57 PM   #77 
        - One of my good friends at work  proud2Blib   Apr-06-05 09:07 PM   #85 
  - evidence?  thinkingwoman   Apr-06-05 08:54 PM   #71 
  - Uh...yeah. All over this thread.  SemiCharmedQuark   Apr-06-05 08:54 PM   #72 
  - Nice try  thinkingwoman   Apr-06-05 10:01 PM   #109 
     - Ok, since reading through the posts is so difficult, here are some links  SemiCharmedQuark   Apr-06-05 10:07 PM   #116 
        - thanks for the links  thinkingwoman   Apr-06-05 11:09 PM   #145 
           - Like everyone else, you didn't read carefully.  SemiCharmedQuark   Apr-07-05 12:16 AM   #152 
           - Obviously  thinkingwoman   Apr-07-05 12:07 PM   #196 
           - Again, we read the same thing  Maestro   Apr-07-05 05:51 AM   #170 
              - Thank you  thinkingwoman   Apr-07-05 12:04 PM   #194 
  - And if you need some more evidence, here are some DU threads on the topic:  Kathy in Cambridge   Apr-06-05 09:09 PM   #87 
     - DU is a wonderful place  thinkingwoman   Apr-06-05 10:07 PM   #117 
        - Did you even read the threads?  Kathy in Cambridge   Apr-06-05 10:12 PM   #121 
        - I did read  thinkingwoman   Apr-06-05 11:12 PM   #146 
        - It is a mob scene. People posting RW links and arging that  SemiCharmedQuark   Apr-06-05 10:13 PM   #122 
        - I've also seen  thinkingwoman   Apr-06-05 11:15 PM   #147 
           - No, nobody said that illegals crossing is a good thing.  SemiCharmedQuark   Apr-07-05 12:18 AM   #154 
              - sorry  thinkingwoman   Apr-07-05 11:57 AM   #192 
        - No evidence?!?!?!?!?!?!?!  Maestro   Apr-06-05 10:20 PM   #125 
        - Wow that's a lot of exclamation points  thinkingwoman   Apr-06-05 11:18 PM   #149 
        - Of course those of us who have been the victims of racial  Cleita   Apr-06-05 10:26 PM   #129 
           - A lot of opinion  thinkingwoman   Apr-06-05 11:21 PM   #150 
              - EVIDENCE!!!  Cleita   Apr-06-05 11:34 PM   #151 
                 - What is this crap?  thinkingwoman   Apr-07-05 11:59 AM   #193 
                    - ....  Cleita   Apr-07-05 12:07 PM   #195 
  - What a Great Headline n/t  UTUSN   Apr-06-05 08:57 PM   #76 
  - There is no flood  martymar64   Apr-06-05 09:59 PM   #107 
  - Bwahahaha! Excellent Post!  SemiCharmedQuark   Apr-06-05 10:04 PM   #111 
  - As an Anglo  Maestro   Apr-06-05 10:22 PM   #126 
  - Exactly  Tomee450   Apr-07-05 12:56 AM   #157 
     - It's cause all they were taught was to remember the Alamo!  countryjake   Apr-07-05 04:13 AM   #168 
  - I have posted this before. This is my response. I am upset with  tsuki   Apr-06-05 10:06 PM   #114 
  - Mind your own business?  Cleita   Apr-06-05 10:09 PM   #118 
  - I don't know. Mind your own business? Sometimes, I wish it were  tsuki   Apr-06-05 10:19 PM   #124 
     - Okay, I was raised a Catholic and Sister said to treat others  Cleita   Apr-06-05 10:30 PM   #132 
        - And so I remain silent, knowing what wrong is being done. This really  tsuki   Apr-06-05 10:38 PM   #136 
           - Why is this your problem?  Cleita   Apr-06-05 10:52 PM   #143 
  - the immigrants I know would say to stay out of it. (legal and illegal)  fleabert   Apr-07-05 02:39 AM   #163 
  - There needs to be a Mexican labor strike  donheld   Apr-06-05 10:16 PM   #123 
  - In my previous life...  FormerOstrich   Apr-06-05 10:24 PM   #127 
  - Nice post......  tyedyeto   Apr-06-05 10:35 PM   #135 
  - Great post  Maestro   Apr-06-05 10:47 PM   #140 
  - Thank you..  FormerOstrich   Apr-06-05 11:17 PM   #148 
     - Thanks  Maestro   Apr-07-05 05:53 AM   #171 
  - Excellent post. I hope everybody in this debate reads it....  cire4   Apr-07-05 01:50 AM   #161 
  - you are my hero for posting this.  fleabert   Apr-07-05 02:44 AM   #164 
  - I say let 'em come  nguoihue   Apr-06-05 10:31 PM   #134 
  - Really interesting article  Maestro   Apr-06-05 10:42 PM   #138 
  - Even one illegal alien is too many.  Placebo   Apr-07-05 12:52 AM   #156 
     - A bit of an insult to legal aliens as well  LittleClarkie   Apr-07-05 01:47 AM   #160 
     - It's not an evil thought  Maestro   Apr-07-05 05:45 AM   #169 
     - yeah, pretty interesting  barb162   Apr-07-05 12:28 PM   #198 
  - I agree with you.  fleabert   Apr-07-05 02:09 AM   #162 
  - just wondering  allhislife   Apr-07-05 06:11 AM   #172 
  - You need a minimum number of posts to other threads first.  Bridget Burke   Apr-07-05 07:53 AM   #174 
  - I guess the fences and border patrols are for jack rabbits?  Snivi Yllom   Apr-07-05 08:19 AM   #179 
  - Did you read the thread?  Kathy in Cambridge   Apr-07-05 08:55 AM   #184 
     - Parts of it are funny. According to one poster, I'm  sfexpat2000   Apr-07-05 09:33 AM   #189 
  - It's a deluge  barb162   Apr-07-05 12:19 PM   #197 
  - It's a deluge all right. Of propaganda. Hiding thread. n/t  sfexpat2000   Apr-07-05 12:31 PM   #199 
  - Locking by request of author  Moderator   Apr-07-05 01:51 PM   #200 
 

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