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Wed Apr-06-05 09:08 PM
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You say, "A third problem is overreliance on pesticides and fertilizers (which GM crops can mitigate somewhat)."
One of the most common GMOs is "Roundup ready" corn and soybeans. Those crops don't mitigate the use of pesticides, they enhance it. The plants are resistant to Roundup, which allows the grower to really pour it on, eliminating all competitor plants. They do, however, allows the producer of Roundup to sell more product which is, after all, the most important thing.
There are some GM plants that express the natural insecticide produced by Bt Thuringiensis. Those may mitigate pesticide use somewhat. The downside is: When used as a natural insecticide, a Bt culture is sprayed on the plants. The bugs eat the sprayed leaves and die. The Bt, and its insecticide are dissipated over time or get washed off the plant before anyone eats it. The Bt GM plants, however, express the insectide at the cellular level, so it's inside the plant. You get to eat it.
As for mitigating fertilizer usage, if there's some GM plant out there that uses less fertilizer, I'd be interested to know about it.
For those who claim that GM plants can feed the world, there are studies out (which I'm too lazy to google up right this instant) showing that crop yields are lower from GM seeds.
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chlamor |
Apr-06-05 05:52 PM |
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Thx for posting this! |
Quakerfriend |
Apr-06-05 06:00 PM |
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in your opinion, quakerfriend, are we by these deeds... |
bridgit |
Apr-06-05 06:09 PM |
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Frankenfoods Are Not "Substantially Equivalent" to Normal Foods |
chlamor |
Apr-06-05 06:10 PM |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Apr-08-05 12:38 PM |
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I am none of those things, |
asthmaticeog |
Apr-08-05 01:18 PM |
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I wish they would gene splice for a truly blue rose. |
Silverhair |
Apr-08-05 01:52 PM |
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Agribusiness is a Product of Warfare |
chlamor |
Apr-06-05 08:15 PM |
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I have just recently begun touching on this subject |
vickiss |
Apr-06-05 06:10 PM |
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GE and Hybrid Seeds Cannot Be saved-Cross pollination |
chlamor |
Apr-06-05 06:21 PM |
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It sounds as if we have good reason to fear for |
vickiss |
Apr-06-05 07:46 PM |
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I'm not sure how real these risks are, as opposed to theoretical. |
megatherium |
Apr-06-05 06:12 PM |
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Small point |
dpibel |
Apr-06-05 09:08 PM |
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Yes you're right. (I was thinking of the BT corn.) |
megatherium |
Apr-06-05 09:46 PM |
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Kick...great post. |
Desertrose |
Apr-06-05 06:24 PM |
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High Chemical Input Agriculture Kills Land and People |
chlamor |
Apr-06-05 06:30 PM |
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Terra Madre |
Snap |
Apr-06-05 07:08 PM |
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12 Reasons for Africa to Reject GM crops |
chlamor |
Apr-06-05 07:39 PM |
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Got Pus in your Milk? |
chlamor |
Apr-06-05 07:44 PM |
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OK..this is why I quit drinking milk about 20+ years ago |
Desertrose |
Apr-07-05 10:54 AM |
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It's globalization of |
Karenina |
Apr-07-05 01:15 PM |
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Our society is based on money and therefore growth. It's THE abomination! |
HypnoToad |
Apr-06-05 07:45 PM |
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Yes it is, but |
Redstone |
Apr-06-05 07:49 PM |
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The Bad Seed |
chlamor |
Apr-06-05 07:50 PM |
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Genetically Altering the Worlds Food |
chlamor |
Apr-06-05 07:54 PM |
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YOU GO CHLAMOR!!! |
Snap |
Apr-06-05 10:12 PM |
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Why have we abandoned the precautionary principle for GMOs? |
JohnyCanuck |
Apr-06-05 08:19 PM |
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That's a fantastic article |
chlamor |
Apr-06-05 08:24 PM |
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Biotechnology's Brave New World |
chlamor |
Apr-06-05 08:21 PM |
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open letter to bill & melinda gates |
bridgit |
Apr-06-05 08:51 PM |
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Awesome letter |
chlamor |
Apr-06-05 09:23 PM |
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cool huh? i as well appreciate your posting... |
bridgit |
Apr-07-05 08:37 PM |
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"gene myth" |
yibbehobba |
Apr-08-05 11:15 AM |
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Gene Myth |
chlamor |
Apr-08-05 11:34 AM |
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Okaaaaaaaaayyyy... |
yibbehobba |
Apr-08-05 12:04 PM |
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That may well be one of the least scientific things I have every read |
Zynx |
Apr-08-05 01:57 PM |
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I think some of this is misleading... |
Sufi Marmot |
Apr-06-05 08:24 PM |
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DNA is DNA is DNA |
chlamor |
Apr-06-05 08:37 PM |
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Structure and function are entirely different... |
Sufi Marmot |
Apr-06-05 08:50 PM |
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Synergistic and combinative effects |
chlamor |
Apr-06-05 09:14 PM |
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Sigh... |
Sufi Marmot |
Apr-06-05 10:53 PM |
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The Cure |
chlamor |
Apr-08-05 11:21 AM |
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What % of Superfund sites have biologicals? |
Sufi Marmot |
Apr-08-05 12:50 PM |
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Gene Myth |
chlamor |
Apr-08-05 12:27 PM |
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I'm not sure what the point of this is... |
Sufi Marmot |
Apr-08-05 01:06 PM |
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I think |
Eloriel |
Apr-06-05 08:42 PM |
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Back off my friend |
Tinoire |
Apr-06-05 08:55 PM |
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Been Wonderin' |
chlamor |
Apr-06-05 08:59 PM |
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No.. you BOTH back off! |
Desertrose |
Apr-07-05 11:01 AM |
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Ok. We'll share. |
Tinoire |
Apr-07-05 03:27 PM |
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OK..we'll share |
Desertrose |
Apr-08-05 10:59 AM |
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Sharing is good |
chlamor |
Apr-08-05 11:10 AM |
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And thank you for sharing all this information. |
Tinoire |
Apr-08-05 03:09 PM |
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Oh. I see. You too now! |
Tinoire |
Apr-08-05 03:07 PM |
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Uh, what is it about non-GM-loving boys with Frank Zappa avatars? |
Cats Against Frist |
Apr-08-05 07:03 PM |
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Let's not forget the miraculous Golden Rice-More PR Bullshit |
chlamor |
Apr-06-05 10:24 PM |
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Let's name names:Monsanto and the FDA - Revolving Door |
chlamor |
Apr-06-05 10:38 PM |
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Thanks recommended |
LibertyorDeath |
Apr-06-05 10:41 PM |
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Who benefits from Frankenfood? The Stockholders... |
BiggJawn |
Apr-06-05 10:54 PM |
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Thank You! |
Viva_La_Revolution |
Apr-06-05 10:57 PM |
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Meet the civil rights group that supports Monsanto-Blackwashing |
chlamor |
Apr-06-05 11:07 PM |
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Subject: From a Monsanto Victim... |
Viva_La_Revolution |
Apr-06-05 11:03 PM |
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Multinational Chemical Cos. to Feed The World?- Does anyone believe this? |
chlamor |
Apr-06-05 11:14 PM |
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Monsanto:Playing God |
chlamor |
Apr-07-05 09:03 AM |
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great thread ... thanks ... |
welshTerrier2 |
Apr-07-05 09:22 AM |
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Thanks for this, chlamor. |
DemExpat |
Apr-07-05 03:38 PM |
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Monsanto History |
chlamor |
Apr-08-05 11:23 AM |
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agree - I avoid them as much as possible |
donsu |
Apr-08-05 11:34 AM |
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GMO's in pet food |
chlamor |
Apr-08-05 12:16 PM |
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Monsanto needs to be taken down |
donsu |
Apr-08-05 11:44 AM |
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Modern Ludditism |
porphyrian |
Apr-08-05 12:18 PM |
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Explain Luddism |
chlamor |
Apr-08-05 12:22 PM |
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Allow me to use a dictionary for you... |
porphyrian |
Apr-08-05 12:38 PM |
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You don't understand Luddism-Expand your definition-Learn the History |
chlamor |
Apr-08-05 12:56 PM |
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Who Created that definition |
chlamor |
Apr-08-05 12:59 PM |
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How cute, you can look things up. |
porphyrian |
Apr-08-05 01:00 PM |
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What about my insulin? |
Silverhair |
Apr-08-05 12:19 PM |
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Figured |
chlamor |
Apr-08-05 12:26 PM |
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you should probably switch back to the animal-derivedstuff |
PaulaFarrell |
Apr-08-05 02:41 PM |
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Consider this: |
Silverhair |
Apr-08-05 08:19 PM |
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Impossible to stop. |
Silverhair |
Apr-08-05 12:21 PM |
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It will stop |
chlamor |
Apr-08-05 12:31 PM |
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Yep. Modern day Luddite. |
Silverhair |
Apr-08-05 01:48 PM |
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luddite is just a label |
PaulaFarrell |
Apr-08-05 02:59 PM |
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You are wrong about the insulin. |
Silverhair |
Apr-08-05 03:09 PM |
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I'd have to argue with that |
PaulaFarrell |
Apr-08-05 03:21 PM |
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Your crystal ball is broken. Get it fixed. |
Silverhair |
Apr-08-05 08:34 PM |
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Labels |
chlamor |
Apr-08-05 04:15 PM |
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Yawn. Sounds like you believe the myth of the noble savage. |
Silverhair |
Apr-08-05 08:22 PM |
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Um, this is a load of psuedo-science garbage. |
Zynx |
Apr-08-05 01:53 PM |
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Now we know |
chlamor |
Apr-08-05 04:17 PM |
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Well, for starters... |
Sufi Marmot |
Apr-08-05 05:01 PM |
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Where is the example? |
chlamor |
Apr-08-05 05:22 PM |
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Take your pick... |
Sufi Marmot |
Apr-08-05 06:18 PM |
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Simplistic gene-centered science |
chlamor |
Apr-08-05 06:47 PM |
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Actually, my examples didn't mention gene therapy in humans... |
Sufi Marmot |
Apr-08-05 07:14 PM |
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Understanding the causes of cancer |
chlamor |
Apr-08-05 07:40 PM |
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World's largest study on biotech crops shows significant damage |
chlamor |
Apr-08-05 06:11 PM |
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The Myth that GE is like conventional breeding |
chlamor |
Apr-08-05 06:19 PM |
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I've been biting my tounge....or......my fingers.....whatever |
slutticus |
Apr-08-05 06:50 PM |
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More problems w/genetically alterd crops and products |
chlamor |
Apr-08-05 06:57 PM |
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References- Composting is good-Humanure |
chlamor |
Apr-08-05 07:02 PM |
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Especially since he would not listen anyway. |
Silverhair |
Apr-08-05 08:43 PM |
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Monsanto Uses enormous amounts of energy creating wastelands all along |
chlamor |
Apr-08-05 09:00 PM |
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You have already proven yourself a Luddite. |
Silverhair |
Apr-08-05 09:14 PM |
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Corrupt corporate science in Academia-Follow the Money |
chlamor |
Apr-08-05 09:28 PM |
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Standard Luddite answer w/ tinfoil hat mixed in. Yawn. |
Silverhair |
Apr-08-05 09:32 PM |
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"US declares Iraqis can't save seeds"-Pay Monsanto or die |
Tinoire |
Apr-08-05 03:15 PM |
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That by itself |
bloom |
Apr-08-05 08:38 PM |
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The real problem isn't the technology, its the system |
Vladimir |
Apr-08-05 03:50 PM |
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Technology is never neutral |
chlamor |
Apr-08-05 04:09 PM |
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"Technology is never neutral" |
Shadowen |
Apr-08-05 10:00 PM |
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Technology |
chlamor |
Apr-08-05 10:21 PM |
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You'll forgive me if I regard industrialism as one of humanity's |
Vladimir |
Apr-09-05 05:53 AM |
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I suspect |
chlamor |
Apr-09-05 09:01 AM |
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Humanity is destroying the natural world-Bees and Butterflies |
chlamor |
Apr-08-05 04:28 PM |
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Most widely used vector from tumor-inducing plasmid |
chlamor |
Apr-08-05 06:21 PM |
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I like your comment in |
zidzi |
Apr-08-05 08:30 PM |
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Monsanto Uses enormous amounts of energy creating wastelands all along |
chlamor |
Apr-08-05 08:58 PM |
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Anniston, Alabama! |
zidzi |
Apr-08-05 09:26 PM |
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But Now they are "Life Science" |
chlamor |
Apr-08-05 09:59 PM |
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Grass roots level of rejecting gm seeds.. |
zidzi |
Apr-08-05 10:21 PM |
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Maine's First GMO-Free Zone! 5 More New England Towns vs GMOs |
chlamor |
Apr-08-05 10:31 PM |
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Sweet! And now to Mexico.. |
zidzi |
Apr-08-05 10:40 PM |
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In the fields-Not in the Lab |
chlamor |
Apr-08-05 09:57 PM |
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Monsanto World Headquarters- St. Louis, Mo. |
chlamor |
Apr-08-05 10:41 PM |
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WHAT is not to get? |
Karenina |
Apr-09-05 02:53 PM |
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All-organic, anti-high fructose corn syrup KICK! |
Zhade |
Apr-09-05 03:11 PM |
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Genetic Engineering: False Promises |
chlamor |
Apr-09-05 07:03 PM |
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