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Wed Apr-06-05 02:38 PM
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| 63. Big Oil will have to wait for the patents to expire. |
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Or form some sort of arrangement with Con-Agra. In the long term, this would mean more profits for big oil. No need to build billion dollar oil platforms.
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| -Oil from Anything...And hardly anyone's writing about it. |
Andy_Stephenson |
Apr-06-05 11:40 AM |
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Kind of like Mr. Fusion? |
bryant69 |
Apr-06-05 11:41 AM |
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Yeah, that's the main drawback. |
trotsky |
Apr-06-05 11:44 AM |
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Balance that with the elimination of landfills and toxic waste dumps, |
MercutioATC |
Apr-06-05 11:46 AM |
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Actually, an economy based on this is carbon-neutral. |
phantom power |
Apr-06-05 11:48 AM |
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You're right. |
trotsky |
Apr-06-05 12:38 PM |
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No, the energy source is the sun. Nuclear not needed. |
Silverhair |
Apr-06-05 01:50 PM |
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Since that heat isn't produced by a radioactive process, |
kgfnally |
Apr-06-05 01:55 PM |
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I think you're not accounting for the required heat energy |
phantom power |
Apr-06-05 02:01 PM |
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Is that necessarily a bad thing? |
kgfnally |
Apr-06-05 02:15 PM |
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Personally, I'm in favor of nuclear power. |
phantom power |
Apr-06-05 02:23 PM |
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well, okay, so could the recyclable spent rods you mentioned |
kgfnally |
Apr-06-05 02:26 PM |
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NO !!! TDP can't handle radioactives. NT |
Silverhair |
Apr-06-05 02:33 PM |
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It doesn't have to handle any radiation. |
phantom power |
Apr-06-05 02:40 PM |
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Needless. TDP produces it's own fuel. |
Silverhair |
Apr-06-05 02:45 PM |
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yep, it's a perpetuum mobile |
rman |
Apr-06-05 03:28 PM |
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Not perpetuum mobile. Just a way of harvesting solar energy. |
Silverhair |
Apr-06-05 03:48 PM |
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Okay. I'd wondered. n/t |
kgfnally |
Apr-06-05 02:56 PM |
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Spent fuel has to be processed. |
phantom power |
Apr-06-05 02:38 PM |
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the spent nuclear fuel from a pebble-bed reactor is not as dangerous- |
LiberallyInclined |
Apr-06-05 02:34 PM |
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Right. We recycle it in places like Iraq. |
leesa |
Apr-07-05 07:45 AM |
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Actually you are wrong on this point.... |
Andy_Stephenson |
Apr-06-05 02:19 PM |
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You have just described a system that... |
phantom power |
Apr-06-05 02:24 PM |
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No, he didn't. You did not understand. |
Silverhair |
Apr-06-05 02:31 PM |
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Correct. The point I'm making is... |
phantom power |
Apr-06-05 02:42 PM |
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Yes, you can. It produces OIL. Oil is used as a fuel. NT |
Silverhair |
Apr-06-05 02:47 PM |
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Maybe we're talking past each other. |
phantom power |
Apr-06-05 03:10 PM |
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Have you even read the article? |
Silverhair |
Apr-06-05 03:18 PM |
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Yes, last year. However, I re-read it. |
phantom power |
Apr-07-05 09:33 AM |
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I am not qualified to answer that. |
Silverhair |
Apr-07-05 10:27 PM |
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no - E1 = (EO + EB + EW) |
Poor Richard Lex |
Apr-07-05 09:00 AM |
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TDP Produces OIL + Fuel-gas + solid Carbon + Minerals + Water!! |
suziedemocrat |
Apr-07-05 06:32 PM |
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I think lots of people don't want TDP to succeed. |
Silverhair |
Apr-07-05 10:30 PM |
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I think you are right! |
suziedemocrat |
Apr-08-05 06:21 AM |
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I know no such people |
raccoon |
Apr-08-05 07:59 AM |
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I said that because... |
Silverhair |
Apr-08-05 08:51 PM |
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So, there's *no* net 'loss' of energy? n/t |
kgfnally |
Apr-06-05 02:25 PM |
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There ARE problems. 1) It stinks. 2) Animals guts aren't free in U.S. |
suziedemocrat |
Apr-07-05 06:43 PM |
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Not terribly expensive to build the plants. |
Silverhair |
Apr-07-05 10:34 PM |
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You're talking about producing more energy than goes in |
Selatius |
Apr-06-05 02:29 PM |
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You are forgetting where the plants get their energy from. |
Silverhair |
Apr-06-05 02:35 PM |
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Now I understand, but... |
Selatius |
Apr-06-05 03:12 PM |
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The thing about the system is |
Andy_Stephenson |
Apr-06-05 03:16 PM |
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Even so, it doesn't negate the common sense to reduce consumption |
Selatius |
Apr-06-05 03:24 PM |
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Agreed. NT |
Silverhair |
Apr-06-05 03:25 PM |
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Yes, we need to be looking at multiple sources. |
Silverhair |
Apr-06-05 03:20 PM |
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One of the outputs of TDP is fuel-gas - which they use as fuel for TDP |
suziedemocrat |
Apr-07-05 06:09 PM |
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Combined with conservation measures |
Frederik |
Apr-06-05 11:55 AM |
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No. TDP helps with global warming. |
Silverhair |
Apr-06-05 01:48 PM |
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Wrong! |
BillyDoc |
Apr-07-05 12:27 PM |
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maybe not as bad as... |
webDude |
Apr-06-05 11:56 AM |
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I thought the TDP oil was cleaner since solid carbon is a separate output. |
suziedemocrat |
Apr-07-05 06:01 PM |
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Wow! That sounds like the perfect solution. Wonder how cheap |
Vinca |
Apr-06-05 11:43 AM |
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Supposedly It's $85 a Barrel Now |
ribofunk |
Apr-06-05 12:22 PM |
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Changing World Technology says they can produce TDP oil for $15/ barrel. |
Silverhair |
Apr-06-05 01:52 PM |
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this technology has been discussed many times at DU |
Cocoa |
Apr-06-05 11:50 AM |
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Ah cocoa as usual |
Andy_Stephenson |
Apr-06-05 12:24 PM |
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isn't Woolsey's involvement interesting to you? |
Cocoa |
Apr-06-05 12:39 PM |
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Yes his involvement is eyebrow raising...to say the least |
Andy_Stephenson |
Apr-06-05 12:53 PM |
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I'd tend to agree. |
kgfnally |
Apr-06-05 02:00 PM |
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Hitler's Germany invented several things that we use today. |
Silverhair |
Apr-06-05 03:25 PM |
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and you'll notice |
Cocoa |
Apr-06-05 03:33 PM |
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I am talking about the process itself. |
Silverhair |
Apr-06-05 03:52 PM |
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It is interesting that he should be involved. Kind of makes me give more |
bunny planet |
Apr-07-05 10:32 AM |
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I'm still undecided on this. |
Discord |
Apr-06-05 11:53 AM |
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lets empty our land fills into it. |
Options Remain |
Apr-06-05 12:01 PM |
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sure. thats ONE of the pro's for it. |
Discord |
Apr-06-05 12:06 PM |
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There is a great article in |
Andy_Stephenson |
Apr-06-05 12:25 PM |
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cool. thanks for the info. |
Discord |
Apr-06-05 12:27 PM |
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That article is very informative, BTW |
kgfnally |
Apr-06-05 02:07 PM |
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I read it Andy. It certainly seems encouraging, especially considering |
bunny planet |
Apr-07-05 11:10 AM |
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Is that part of energy independence? |
whistle |
Apr-06-05 12:02 PM |
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OMG - a positive solution! We need more of this on DU. Thanks Andy!!! |
BigBearJohn |
Apr-06-05 12:12 PM |
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It's already under attack |
Warpy |
Apr-06-05 12:44 PM |
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Big Agriculture is for TDP. |
Silverhair |
Apr-06-05 01:58 PM |
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How about using it near a sewage plant too... |
slor |
Apr-06-05 02:00 PM |
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Exactly! Philadelphia was supposed to try this, don't know if they have. |
satya |
Apr-07-05 05:01 AM |
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From what I understood about Big Oil's initial reaction, |
kgfnally |
Apr-06-05 02:02 PM |
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Big Oil will have to wait for the patents to expire. |
Silverhair |
Apr-06-05 02:38 PM |
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Yes, you are exactly right |
slaveplanet |
Apr-07-05 08:39 AM |
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I say |
Squeech |
Apr-06-05 12:49 PM |
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exactly. it has been very hard to find any accurate and |
Discord |
Apr-06-05 12:56 PM |
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Well everything that comes out at the end |
Andy_Stephenson |
Apr-06-05 01:02 PM |
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Links for the articles that you want: |
Silverhair |
Apr-06-05 02:01 PM |
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Point: that water is pure, as I understand the process. n/t |
kgfnally |
Apr-06-05 02:08 PM |
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Agree. I Hope It Pans Out. I Really Do. But . . |
loindelrio |
Apr-06-05 01:15 PM |
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I couldn't agree more |
Squeech |
Apr-06-05 01:27 PM |
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Perhaps it is being sat on until the current oil economy is milked dry. |
tasteblind |
Apr-06-05 03:32 PM |
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Take off the tinfoil hat. |
Silverhair |
Apr-06-05 05:20 PM |
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Nothing tinfoil about milking current technology. |
tasteblind |
Apr-07-05 07:22 AM |
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Yeah, that works |
Squeech |
Apr-06-05 05:29 PM |
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Here's an article from Yesterday - two more from 1/2005 & 12/2004 |
suziedemocrat |
Apr-07-05 07:01 PM |
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From anything, but not for free. |
rman |
Apr-06-05 01:45 PM |
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think nuke-u-lar. |
LiberallyInclined |
Apr-06-05 01:54 PM |
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how many new nuclear power plants would we need to produce |
rman |
Apr-06-05 02:04 PM |
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the technology will NEVER produce that much oil- |
LiberallyInclined |
Apr-06-05 02:16 PM |
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Hemp oil would be more expensive than TDP. |
Silverhair |
Apr-06-05 02:28 PM |
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is there a link to the discover article you refer to? |
LiberallyInclined |
Apr-06-05 02:35 PM |
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Yes. I posted it above, but here it is again: |
Silverhair |
Apr-06-05 02:39 PM |
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The TDP energy comes from the sun. |
Silverhair |
Apr-06-05 02:06 PM |
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All energy comes from the sun. |
rman |
Apr-06-05 02:34 PM |
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TDP uses more than just turkeys. |
Silverhair |
Apr-06-05 02:43 PM |
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We do need fertilizer to grow food - *at the scale that we do* |
rman |
Apr-06-05 02:58 PM |
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The energy source is the sun. |
Silverhair |
Apr-06-05 03:14 PM |
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You know plants need fertilizer don't you? |
rman |
Apr-06-05 03:25 PM |
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Weeds don't. |
Silverhair |
Apr-06-05 03:31 PM |
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You do know that organic farmers grow crops without fertilizer don't you. |
bunny planet |
Apr-07-05 11:44 AM |
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Yes but even weeds are pretty inefficient |
drm604 |
Apr-07-05 04:35 PM |
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Keep up the research. That may yield something too. NT |
Silverhair |
Apr-07-05 11:10 PM |
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Well it was explained this way |
Andy_Stephenson |
Apr-06-05 02:15 PM |
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perpetuum mobile |
rman |
Apr-06-05 02:48 PM |
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No, the 15% is LOST unrecoverable energy. |
Silverhair |
Apr-06-05 02:50 PM |
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You can't both lose it and use it to power the process. |
rman |
Apr-06-05 03:06 PM |
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All energy is ultimately lost. |
Silverhair |
Apr-06-05 03:12 PM |
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I see |
rman |
Apr-06-05 04:22 PM |
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Why would you fertilize weeds? |
Silverhair |
Apr-06-05 05:26 PM |
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to get massive quantities of it, |
rman |
Apr-09-05 09:11 AM |
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Your objection was covered in the original article. |
Silverhair |
Apr-09-05 09:37 AM |
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From what I've seen on DU and other sites, |
amandabeech |
Apr-06-05 02:04 PM |
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that last is part of why Big Ag seems to be against it |
kgfnally |
Apr-06-05 02:21 PM |
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Big Ag doesn't get much bigger than ConAgra |
Cocoa |
Apr-06-05 02:43 PM |
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Contradicting something above. |
kgfnally |
Apr-06-05 02:58 PM |
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I'm not following you |
Cocoa |
Apr-06-05 03:01 PM |
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Barking up the wrong tree (the answer to peak oil is in the Bible)... |
Cooley Hurd |
Apr-06-05 02:06 PM |
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the really funny part is, if you account for the TDP process we're |
kgfnally |
Apr-06-05 02:18 PM |
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Cheney's energy bill provided $95 million for this technology |
Cocoa |
Apr-06-05 02:56 PM |
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That's probably just payback to ConAgra, nothing for CWT. n/t |
satya |
Apr-07-05 04:33 AM |
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I've long fantasized about this... |
SmokingJacket |
Apr-06-05 02:58 PM |
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I know what you mean. |
Silverhair |
Apr-06-05 03:22 PM |
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Andy, I've been swamped and haven't had time to read |
ryan_cats |
Apr-06-05 03:21 PM |
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Thermal Depolymerisation is old technology |
jmatthan |
Apr-06-05 10:28 PM |
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Known as Kompogas? n/t |
satya |
Apr-07-05 04:21 AM |
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Fertilizer; Kompogas; Switzerland, Germany, Austria; kills mad cow prions |
satya |
Apr-07-05 04:25 AM |
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I emailed Gov. Gregoire's office about this last month, in the hopes that |
satya |
Apr-07-05 04:26 AM |
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I remember reading about this |
TorchTheWitch |
Apr-07-05 04:42 AM |
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Found link; destroys mad cow prions and breaks down dioxins and PCBs |
satya |
Apr-07-05 04:57 AM |
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In Theory, This Works. |
ProfessorGAC |
Apr-07-05 08:59 AM |
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Been done for years in Europe, & it's profitable.The rest of the world can |
satya |
Apr-07-05 11:25 AM |
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This Proposal Is More Chemically Involved |
ProfessorGAC |
Apr-07-05 11:32 AM |
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I'm sure you know more about it than I do; thanks. CWT's process is |
satya |
Apr-07-05 11:43 AM |
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that's entirely different |
rman |
Apr-09-05 09:05 AM |
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I read the Discover article Andy. It certainly was encouraging considering |
bunny planet |
Apr-07-05 11:13 AM |
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Fabulous! another great |
MsTryska |
Apr-07-05 11:35 AM |
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Who'd a thunk it, innovation on Laaaawwwng Island. |
bunny planet |
Apr-07-05 12:03 PM |
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oh yeah? whereabouts? |
MsTryska |
Apr-07-05 12:44 PM |
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Valley Stream, which had no valleys or streams. |
bunny planet |
Apr-08-05 07:52 AM |
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Matt Savinar says it has a negative EROEI. |
robertpaulsen |
Apr-07-05 06:03 PM |
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thanks for the link... incredible.. and depressing.. |
trekbiker |
Apr-07-05 06:59 PM |
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The point is to use inputs to TDP that would normally be waste. |
suziedemocrat |
Apr-07-05 07:26 PM |
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There are errors in your post. |
Silverhair |
Apr-07-05 11:06 PM |
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Kick |
Javaman |
Apr-07-05 11:15 PM |
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Biomass rules! |
bigtree |
Apr-08-05 06:52 AM |
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Thanks for the tip |
Domitan |
Apr-08-05 08:59 PM |
#149 |
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