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imenja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-05 07:33 AM
Response to Reply #131
136. so what's the alternative?
Edited on Wed Apr-06-05 07:37 AM by imenja
It worked for the right. It can't work for us? Why? Are you we intrinsically less capable? Or is it that people are unwilling to put in the time or energy necessary to do anything? The right dominants for a reason. And that is because we on the left him. and all this bullshit about how taking action accomplishes nothing is Karl Rove and Jerry Falwell's wet dream. When people sit around and complain rather than do anything, they might as well be out working for the Republicans, cause it amounts to the exact same thing.

You may be right that the whole exercise is pointless, but if that's the case, It's not because of the people willing to put in time and energy to change things. It's because the rest of the so-called left do nothing but bitch.
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  -any mention of impeachment or revolution gets instantly shot down mopaul  Apr-05-05 05:17 AM   #0 
  - The Revolution Will Not Be Blogged.  benburch   Apr-05-05 05:19 AM   #1 
  - okay, tell us how impeachment is possible within the next three years  imenja   Apr-05-05 05:26 AM   #2 
  - if you get an issue that is new/clear cut  morgan2   Apr-05-05 07:18 AM   #37 
  - Quite possible indeed.  forgethell   Apr-05-05 10:19 AM   #41 
  - ousting him isnt the only objective  morgan2   Apr-05-05 11:07 AM   #53 
  - Never happen - there are NO "honerable" repukes.  TankLV   Apr-05-05 03:05 PM   #69 
     - Even if there were some republicans who wanted to  FreedomAngel82   Apr-05-05 11:01 PM   #104 
  - I believe that if handles correctly (grassroots)  mtnester   Apr-05-05 03:14 PM   #72 
  - The Ukarine showed us how to do it!!! The neocons even loved them for it.  hector459   Apr-05-05 06:09 PM   #83 
     - well that's great  imenja   Apr-05-05 10:37 PM   #100 
        - My guess is it'll be tthe International Community. Hague. War Crimes.  zann725   Apr-06-05 01:31 AM   #127 
           - Um...the Hague? We're not part of the ICC. The Hague has no more  Lone Pawn   Apr-07-05 09:33 PM   #174 
  - How are you going to impeach him right now?  Meeker Morgan   Apr-05-05 05:28 AM   #3 
  - If the neoCONs' treasonous activities are exposed,...  Just Me   Apr-05-05 12:48 PM   #58 
  - No, they aren't.  forgethell   Apr-05-05 05:07 PM   #79 
  - How about his Saudi Arabian friends who took down the WTC?  alittlelark   Apr-06-05 12:41 AM   #123 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Apr-06-05 01:42 AM   #129 
  - Apologies?  forgethell   Apr-06-05 08:32 AM   #144 
  - Prove that  forgethell   Apr-06-05 08:31 AM   #143 
  - Thanks forgethell  Milspec   Apr-07-05 09:18 PM   #171 
  - So what is a neocon ...  Meeker Morgan   Apr-05-05 08:47 PM   #89 
  - Hello?  Warren Stupidity   Apr-05-05 09:48 PM   #95 
     - great post n/t  MrNiceGuyDied   Apr-06-05 01:18 AM   #125 
     - Not only did the media not blink...  driver8   Apr-06-05 08:15 PM   #163 
  - I agree  FreedomAngel82   Apr-05-05 11:04 PM   #105 
  - our founding fathers wd be ashamed  jukes   Apr-05-05 05:32 AM   #4 
  - BTW, who was doing the impeaching last time...?  punpirate   Apr-05-05 05:37 AM   #5 
  - why does everyone automatically associate revolution with violence?  mopaul   Apr-05-05 05:39 AM   #6 
     - Well, it's either that, or you have to have popular  BullGooseLoony   Apr-05-05 05:47 AM   #8 
     - Maybe because they've always been violent...  punpirate   Apr-05-05 05:57 AM   #11 
     - revolutions don't happen in dictionaries  imenja   Apr-05-05 05:58 AM   #12 
     - no one died the day the soviet union fell  mopaul   Apr-05-05 06:00 AM   #14 
        - Maybe if we catch them while they are sleeping...  Swamp Rat   Apr-05-05 06:01 AM   #16 
        - For heaven's sake  imenja   Apr-05-05 06:04 AM   #18 
        - Could this country come up with 3 million people?  Kansas Wyatt   Apr-05-05 10:40 AM   #42 
        - The comfortable don't make revolution  imenja   Apr-05-05 02:02 PM   #64 
        - EXACTLY.. had we MARCHED on JAN6th.. Kerry would be prez!  Griffy   Apr-05-05 03:30 PM   #75 
        - maybe not the day they fell, but there was plenty of bloodshed prior  Snivi Yllom   Apr-05-05 12:44 PM   #57 
        - there was plenty in 1917 as well  imenja   Apr-05-05 02:00 PM   #63 
        - The government of the Soviet Union  LdyGuique   Apr-05-05 04:56 PM   #78 
        - There was no military action? Really?  Lone Pawn   Apr-05-05 11:06 PM   #106 
     - Perhaps because  Dave Reynolds   Apr-05-05 11:00 AM   #47 
     - self-deleted. moved.  Discord   Apr-05-05 11:06 AM   #50 
     - True - remember the Philippines & Russia & the East Block.  TankLV   Apr-05-05 03:09 PM   #70 
     - General Strike  Hardrada   Apr-05-05 10:06 PM   #97 
  - They control it all.  BullGooseLoony   Apr-05-05 05:46 AM   #7 
  - i'm proposing action  mopaul   Apr-05-05 05:48 AM   #9 
     - Well, what? nt  BullGooseLoony   Apr-05-05 05:49 AM   #10 
     - so tell us how. you haven't answered my question above  imenja   Apr-05-05 05:59 AM   #13 
        - is there a time limit?  mopaul   Apr-05-05 06:01 AM   #15 
           - LOL!  Swamp Rat   Apr-05-05 06:03 AM   #17 
           - not at all, but if you advocate change you should have something proposed  imenja   Apr-05-05 06:05 AM   #19 
              - you have proven my point  mopaul   Apr-05-05 06:07 AM   #20 
              - so enlighten us  imenja   Apr-05-05 06:13 AM   #22 
                 - some refuse to be enlightened by my glorious ass  mopaul   Apr-05-05 06:15 AM   #24 
                    - so basically you've got nothing to offer in terms of action  imenja   Apr-05-05 06:30 AM   #27 
                       - He makes awesome cartoons!  Swamp Rat   Apr-05-05 06:36 AM   #29 
                       - that's valuable in itself  imenja   Apr-05-05 07:16 AM   #34 
                       - i love it when you scold me  mopaul   Apr-05-05 06:37 AM   #30 
                          - didn't you just scold all of us for being reactionary sellouts?  imenja   Apr-05-05 07:15 AM   #33 
                          - and YOUR suggestions are welcome as well  mopaul   Apr-05-05 07:17 AM   #36 
                             - I can tell you what I'm doing  imenja   Apr-05-05 07:28 AM   #38 
                                - But what good is all that  RagingInMiami   Apr-05-05 10:54 AM   #45 
                                - that's why winning the governorship is central  imenja   Apr-05-05 01:54 PM   #62 
                                - I have not yet submitted to tryanny  RagingInMiami   Apr-06-05 12:06 PM   #155 
                                   - we can't wait  imenja   Apr-06-05 08:07 PM   #160 
                                - You won't ever get much of a response to that one.  TheWatcher   Apr-06-05 08:58 AM   #148 
                                   - so your strategy: make sure the Right tightens their grip on power?  imenja   Apr-06-05 08:10 PM   #161 
                                - I've decided that acting locally is very important.  Ladyhawk   Apr-05-05 11:42 PM   #117 
                                   - in my area the party activist are all seniors  imenja   Apr-06-05 12:18 AM   #120 
                                      - I really have no clue what to do...that doesn't help. :D n/t  Ladyhawk   Apr-06-05 01:25 AM   #126 
                          - If you love it, pay attention. You could learn something.  Lone Pawn   Apr-05-05 11:23 PM   #113 
              - Perhaps we could all write  Dave Reynolds   Apr-05-05 11:04 AM   #48 
  - not by me. I hold out hope that things will turn on shrub and impeachment  burn the bush   Apr-05-05 06:12 AM   #21 
  - if people REALLY think we are powerless, then we will be  mopaul   Apr-05-05 06:13 AM   #23 
     - I agree with that basic premise  imenja   Apr-05-05 06:18 AM   #25 
        - no, vengeance for clinton is not the point, duty is the point  mopaul   Apr-05-05 06:20 AM   #26 
           - and how does impeachment overthrow the government?  imenja   Apr-05-05 06:31 AM   #28 
           - ...and brings in Cheney.  robcon   Apr-05-05 08:04 AM   #40 
           - Most Revolutions take place...  Disturbed   Apr-05-05 06:43 AM   #31 
              - ... though, too many parties might get you a Berlusconi. n/t  Swamp Rat   Apr-05-05 06:52 AM   #32 
                 - or a Lula  imenja   Apr-05-05 07:17 AM   #35 
                    - Eu gosto de Lula!  Swamp Rat   Apr-06-05 12:20 AM   #121 
  - it won't happen....  formernaderite   Apr-05-05 07:31 AM   #39 
  - MoPaul...there are far too many "centrists" at DU  lateo   Apr-05-05 10:46 AM   #43 
  - so what's your non-centrist solution?  imenja   Apr-05-05 02:08 PM   #66 
  - Given the state of affairs in America there isn't much choice...  lateo   Apr-05-05 03:52 PM   #77 
  - we need strategy and action  imenja   Apr-05-05 05:38 PM   #82 
     - Indeed...but I am not proposing that we just throw up our hands...  lateo   Apr-05-05 07:34 PM   #86 
        - Here's my beef  imenja   Apr-05-05 08:34 PM   #88 
           - Well, here is the deal...  lateo   Apr-05-05 08:56 PM   #90 
              - I say take over the party  imenja   Apr-05-05 09:11 PM   #91 
                 - That is certainly one way of doing it...  lateo   Apr-05-05 09:41 PM   #94 
                 - what is your plan?  imenja   Apr-05-05 09:57 PM   #96 
                    - ?  lateo   Apr-06-05 07:08 AM   #134 
                       - a troll?  imenja   Apr-06-05 07:24 AM   #135 
                          - All I ask is...  lateo   Apr-06-05 08:35 AM   #145 
                             - I'm not a mind reader, so it is far from a stupid question  imenja   Apr-06-05 08:46 AM   #147 
                                - You don't have to be a mind reader...  lateo   Apr-06-05 11:24 AM   #152 
                                   - Immaculate legislation and armchair revolutionaries  imenja   Apr-06-05 07:10 PM   #156 
                                      - All revolutionaries...  lateo   Apr-06-05 07:31 PM   #158 
                                         - I still don't know what action you are talking about  imenja   Apr-06-05 08:11 PM   #162 
                                            - I'm sorry...  lateo   Apr-07-05 09:30 AM   #166 
                                            - I'm sick of the left forming part of the army of Republican domination  imenja   Apr-07-05 04:27 PM   #169 
                                            - It sounds like...  lateo   Apr-07-05 09:04 PM   #170 
                                            - if you have plans to encourage action, post them  imenja   Apr-07-05 11:35 PM   #176 
                                            - Show me a post...  lateo   Apr-08-05 07:22 AM   #178 
                 - Thieves, liars, and cheats  MrNiceGuyDied   Apr-06-05 02:18 AM   #131 
                    - Yes it is and...  lateo   Apr-06-05 07:02 AM   #133 
                    - what do you expect?  imenja   Apr-06-05 07:56 AM   #138 
                       - Did you see the other thread where...  lateo   Apr-06-05 08:24 AM   #141 
                          - So why let them? Why not do something about it?  imenja   Apr-06-05 08:25 AM   #142 
                             - I agree...  lateo   Apr-06-05 08:37 AM   #146 
                    - so what's the alternative?  imenja   Apr-06-05 07:33 AM   #136 
  - take back the media  MrNiceGuyDied   Apr-06-05 02:00 AM   #130 
     - I'm with you 100%. That is crucial  imenja   Apr-07-05 12:50 AM   #164 
  - In my experience, only sheep who follow a different sheep actually  Lone Pawn   Apr-05-05 11:37 PM   #115 
     - I respectfully disagree  raccoon   Apr-06-05 09:13 AM   #151 
  - Impeachment must begin in the Senate.  TWiley   Apr-05-05 10:49 AM   #44 
  - Please, basic civics, no wonder its hopeless.  patcox2   Apr-05-05 11:15 AM   #56 
  - Yes it does.  TWiley   Apr-05-05 03:16 PM   #73 
  - In actuality, Impeachment should begin with mainstream media. There  OmmmSweetOmmm   Apr-06-05 07:14 PM   #157 
  - And they should be shot down.  Silverhair   Apr-05-05 10:57 AM   #46 
  - So which Republicans will you get to vote for impeachment?  Walt Starr   Apr-05-05 11:05 AM   #49 
  - I'm with you  RagingInMiami   Apr-05-05 11:07 AM   #51 
  - why 2000?  imenja   Apr-05-05 02:07 PM   #65 
     - Because before 2000, most politicians were essentially the same  RagingInMiami   Apr-06-05 12:03 PM   #154 
        - there have been far worse cases of fraud in US elections  imenja   Apr-07-05 02:01 AM   #165 
  - Because voilence isn't a requirement in the literal sense of the  Discord   Apr-05-05 11:07 AM   #52 
  - Regarding revolution.  Silverhair   Apr-05-05 11:11 AM   #54 
  - Well, impeachment is dumb, and revolution is illegal.  patcox2   Apr-05-05 11:12 AM   #55 
  - It's ALL about what 'we' are told  OxQQme   Apr-05-05 01:01 PM   #59 
     - Who 'we' need to mass around  OxQQme   Apr-05-05 01:11 PM   #60 
     - Okay, I like that kind of revolution, like the scientific revolution.  patcox2   Apr-05-05 02:31 PM   #67 
  - I am with you!  Behind the Aegis   Apr-05-05 01:11 PM   #61 
  - War is over if you want it  Generator   Apr-05-05 02:41 PM   #68 
  - A suggestion: NOBODY on DU uses a touchscreen in 2006  derby378   Apr-05-05 03:11 PM   #71 
  - Amen. Sit-ins at the polls--millions of us--is the only way.  Liberty Belle   Apr-05-05 10:12 PM   #99 
  - Wow! We...WON'T VOTE! THAT'LL WORK!  Lone Pawn   Apr-05-05 11:07 PM   #107 
     - If you can't guarantee that your vote is accurate...  derby378   Apr-07-05 09:56 AM   #168 
        - And they say "It's very accurate. We can't go around making exceptions  Lone Pawn   Apr-07-05 09:32 PM   #173 
  - I agree with you...  TheGoldenRule   Apr-05-05 03:25 PM   #74 
  - There's only one way to impeach  adwon   Apr-05-05 05:13 PM   #80 
  - Wrong on that last point.  Lone Pawn   Apr-05-05 11:20 PM   #111 
  - There ya go again  Jose Diablo   Apr-05-05 03:34 PM   #76 
  - Ah, revolutions  adwon   Apr-05-05 05:18 PM   #81 
  - Because we can all count. n/t  Padraig18   Apr-05-05 06:11 PM   #84 
  - Democrats are part of the problem..  solinvictus   Apr-05-05 07:22 PM   #85 
  - WTF is on your avatar?  imenja   Apr-06-05 08:01 AM   #140 
     - I am...  solinvictus   Apr-07-05 09:34 PM   #175 
        - I hear you  imenja   Apr-08-05 12:50 AM   #177 
  - The impossible just takes longer.  NYC   Apr-05-05 08:05 PM   #87 
  - If stuff like the pub reaction to Schiavo and gas prices stay up  nytemare   Apr-05-05 09:14 PM   #92 
  - Um...since when does Europe make more money than the US?  Lone Pawn   Apr-05-05 11:22 PM   #112 
     - I am talking of the workers incomes  nytemare   Apr-06-05 06:52 AM   #132 
  - YO, mopaul, Here is some solid impeachment commentary. AMF Bush!  autorank   Apr-05-05 09:18 PM   #93 
  - We should try for an amendment ... even if it doesn't pass the fact  trudyco   Apr-05-05 10:53 PM   #102 
     - Sounds good. An amengment detailing the Bush stuf and saying  autorank   Apr-05-05 11:27 PM   #114 
        - exactly, a list of bush's crimes & failures, & why he must go  mopaul   Apr-06-05 07:45 AM   #137 
  - IMPEACH!  Undercover Owl   Apr-05-05 10:09 PM   #98 
  - By whom?  Lone Pawn   Apr-05-05 11:13 PM   #109 
     - Don't disrupt my dream!  Undercover Owl   Apr-06-05 01:34 AM   #128 
  - Well shit... they have all the machinery...but let's get started. n/t  lonestarnot   Apr-05-05 10:39 PM   #101 
  - It takes leaders to get a revolution off the ground.  bling bling   Apr-05-05 10:59 PM   #103 
  - You don't have to be an elected politician  Nadienne   Apr-06-05 12:02 AM   #118 
     - Absolutely not.  bling bling   Apr-06-05 12:13 AM   #119 
        - You're not a leader....  Nadienne   Apr-06-05 12:30 AM   #122 
  - Impeachment must begin in the House. DeLay owns the House.  Lone Pawn   Apr-05-05 11:12 PM   #108 
  - nominated. I'm with you MO.  goodboy   Apr-05-05 11:14 PM   #110 
  - Your title says "impeachment" "revolution" & "shot"  Mr_Spock   Apr-05-05 11:41 PM   #116 
  - KICK  Stand and Fight   Apr-06-05 12:57 AM   #124 
  - the dems would need to run the table in the house and senate  woosh   Apr-06-05 08:00 AM   #139 
  - A 'revolution' would have to start with the Democratic leadership...  Q   Apr-06-05 09:11 AM   #149 
  - Indeed Q...  lateo   Apr-07-05 09:33 AM   #167 
     - Good to see you...  Q   Apr-08-05 08:03 AM   #179 
  - Congress will not vote to impeach.  Orsino   Apr-06-05 09:12 AM   #150 
  - Don't let us stop you. Lead the way!  ArkDem   Apr-06-05 11:33 AM   #153 
  - re: "all it took"  Mike Niendorff   Apr-06-05 07:57 PM   #159 
  - I say we should take our lead from the West Wing..  all_hail_gwb   Apr-07-05 09:31 PM   #172 
 

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