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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-05-05 09:28 PM
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101. Ol' Ruppert may be on to something: Safety in Numbers.
Thanks for the reminder about Ms. Fitts bravery. Hers is a story we all need to remember -- for her sake, yes, but also for our country. To brave up and lay down the wood against Bushco means she must really love America and her fellow Americans.

Here's one I wish were still with us. John O'Neill could've told the 9-11 Commission how Bush ordered him off the Osama bin Laden Investigation.



John P. O'Neill

He was Director of Counterterrorism at the New York offices of the F.B.I. until he resigned in August 2001. One of the world's top experts on Osama bin Laden and Al Qaeda, he grew to believe that "all the answers" regarding what they needed to destroy Al Qaeda lay in Saudi Arabia. However, starting in January 2001, Bush blocked all efforts by Mr. O'Neill to investigate Saudi ties to bin Laden. In the summer of 2001 O'Neill declared that the main obstacles to his investigation were U.S. oil interests.

In late August, a frustrated O'Neill quit the FBI and took a position as head of security for the World Trade Center. From Democrats.com:

September 11: On O'Neill's second day of work on the 34th floor, the WTC is hit by the first plane. O'Neill makes it out of the building safely, calls his son to say he is OK,. then goes into the other tower to help guide those still inside to safety. Minutes later, O'Neill, along with hundreds of others, is dead, killed by the terrorist the Bush administration refused to allow him to pursue to the best of his ability.

SOURCE:

http://www.zen13351.zen.co.uk/reflect/my%20thoughts/bus...

PS: Good idea, RBHam! Let's list some of the living to help keep them that way. Strength in numbers.


John O'Neill, the Man Who Knew Too Much

When the Twin Towers fell on Sept. 11, 2001, among the thousands killed was the one man who may have known more about Osama bin Laden and Al Qaeda than any other person in America John O'Neill.

The former head of the FBI's flagship antiterrorism unit in New York City, O'Neill had investigated the bombings of the U.S. embassies in Africa and the USS Cole in Yemen. For five years, he led the fight to track down and prosecute al Qaeda operatives throughout the world. But his James Bond style and obsession with Osama bin Laden made him a controversial figure inside the buttoned-down world of the FBI. Just two weeks before Sept. 11, O'Neill left the bureau for a job in the private sector -- as head of security at the World Trade Center. He died there after rushing back into the burning towers to aid in the rescue efforts.

http//www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/knew/etc/synopsi...

When the Twin Towers fell on Sept. 11, 2001, among the thousands killed was the one man who may have known more about Osama bin Laden and Al Qaeda than any other person in America John O'Neill. The former head of the FBI's flagship antiterrorism unit in New York City, O'Neill had investigated the bombings of the U.S. embassies in Africa and the USS Cole in Yemen. For six years, he led the fight to track down and prosecute Al Qaeda operatives throughout the world. But his flamboyant, James Bond style and obsession with Osama bin Laden made him a controversial figure inside the buttoned-down world of the FBI. Just two weeks before Sept. 11, O'Neill left the bureau for a job in the private sector -- as head of security at the World Trade Center. He died there after rushing back into the burning towers to aid in the rescue efforts. FRONTLINE's The Man Who Knew, chronicles John O'Neill's story -- a story that embraces the clash of personalities, politics and intelligence, offering important insights into both the successes and failures of America's fight against terrorism. Drawing on exclusive interviews with many of O'Neill's closest friends and associates, this report opens with O'Neill's introduction into the new world of terrorism -- the capture in 1995 of one of the world's most wanted terrorists -- Ramzi Yousef, the ringleader of the group that bombed the World Trade Center in 1993. Former U.S. Attorney Mary Jo White credits O'Neill with quickly grasping the danger Yousef and other terrorists represented to America. Yousef is one of the most dangerous people on the planet -- also very smart, she says. Getting and incapacitating him was a significant public safety issue. And John O'Neill recognized that and was not about to take 'no' for an answer before he was taken into custody. O'Neill immersed himself into learning everything he could about global terrorism and Islamic fundamentalist militancy. In 1997, O'Neill was promoted to special agent in charge of the national security division in the bureau's New York office. Observers say O'Neill grabbed at the chance to head the team that was investigating and prosecuting most major international terrorism cases. The job would also be the perfect base from which to continue his pursuit of bin Laden and Al Qaeda. But while John O'Neill had succeeded in winning allies among CIA and international intelligence agencies, not everyone within the FBI was so enamored of him. A fixture on New York's celebrity social circuit, O'Neill's flamboyant style and his unconventional personal life -- he had several longtime girlfriends and a wife he never divorced -- had long raised eyebrows within the FBI. The Man Who Knew, gives viewers an insider's perspective on O'Neill's investigations as well as the internal territorial debates among the FBI, the State Department, and the White House over how to deal with U.S. terrorist investigations in East Africa in August 1998 and the Yemen in October 2000. believed the New York field office had the greatest depth of expertise of anybody in the country on this issue, and if it's Al Qaeda, how could you send anybody else but the people who know the most? recalls Fran Townsend, former head of the U.S. Justice Department's office of intelligence policy. O'Neill's New York FBI team was at the center of bureacratic arm-wrestling over who would head the 1998 investigation into the embassy bombings in East Africa. O'Neill again was the focus of a heated political battle over the investigation of the 2000 attack against the USS Cole in Yemen.

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http://www.dynrec.com/johnoneill /
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     - You knocked a future shock crowbar upside my head  seemslikeadream   Apr-02-05 07:40 PM   #92 
        - I'm not that thin. And the mullet. It only LOOKS like a mullet.  Octafish   Apr-02-05 10:56 PM   #93 
  - Kick into Sunday.  oasis   Apr-02-05 03:10 PM   #86 
  - kicking up again and thank you Octafish! You Rock!  anarchy1999   Apr-02-05 03:52 PM   #87 
     - Gracias, amigos! Remember FRANK CHURCH...  Octafish   Apr-03-05 09:42 AM   #96 
  - kick  lonestarnot   Apr-03-05 09:27 AM   #95 
  - Thanks, l-not! Hey! Abbie Hoffman and OCTOBER SURPRISE are in the news!  Octafish   Apr-05-05 09:08 PM   #100 
  - Catherine Austin Fitts  RBHam   Apr-05-05 02:38 PM   #99 
  - Ol' Ruppert may be on to something: Safety in Numbers.  Octafish   Apr-05-05 09:28 PM   #101 
  - kick  Swamp Rat   Apr-06-05 01:27 AM   #102 
 

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