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60. How 'Conspiracy Kooks' Became More Credible Than the White House
You're welcome, anarchy1999! And thank you very much for understanding why I give a damn, DU Friend. We are Free Men and Women -- in American and throughout much of the world. Working together, we will spread the thing the BFEE fears most -- The Truth. And when America know the true score, we will not become Bush's Untermenschen.

Hey! Didjahearabout how well Maureen Farrell sums things up?


How 'Conspiracy Kooks' Became
More Credible Than the White House


by Maureen Farrell

A BUZZFLASH READER COMMENTARY


"In the next 5 to 10 years,
we are all going to live in a global version
of Nazi Germany."
- David Icke

"Basically, all the conspiracy theories about
secret societies wanting
to take over the world are wrong."
- Daniel Pipes

Anyone who's ever tuned into the History Channel's "Secret Societies" recognizes these quotes from its opening segment. As part of the "History's Mysteries" series, "Secret Societies" is a fun, often sensational journey inside the world of would-be cabals and plots for world domination. Featuring volleyed testimony from various experts, the program mixes factual information and historical trivia with open speculation on the role secret societies may have played in these events. "Do shadowy and clandestine groups really rule the world?" host Arthur Kent campily inquires, before hinting at hidden subtext behind historical moments.

During the 1980 presidential campaign, for example, the History Channel reports that Ronald Reagan repeatedly expressed a distrust of secret societies and promised that Skull and Bonesman, Council on Foreign Relations (CFR) member and Trilateral Commission alumni George Bush would not be offered a position in his administration. Yet during the Republican Convention, Reagan broke tradition by making a late-night dash from his hotel room to the convention floor and declaring George Bush his running mate. The Iran hostage situation was miraculously resolved the day Reagan was sworn in.

Ever since Prescott Bush was penalized for trading with the Nazis during World War II and the words "George Bush of the CIA" surfaced on a 1963 FBI report on the JFK assassination, the Bush family has been tied to speculation. And certainly, October Surprises and Iran/Contra add to the intrigue while links between the Bushes and the Hinkleys and Bushes and bin Ladens have not gone unnoticed. Regardless how entertaining this speculation may be, however, reasonable people have historically heard the word "conspiracy" and rejected theories outright -- even those theories that later proved to be true. And given a choice between the conspiracy theorists and debunkers, they've tended to take the road less kooky.

In the History Channel-extracted exchange above, for example, CFR member Daniel Pipes clearly asserts the more sensible view. Serving on three editorial boards and working on four presidential campaigns, this author of CONSPIRACY: How the Paranoid Style Flourishes and Where It Comes From once headed the Foreign Policy Research Institute, which is funded, in large part, by conspiracy-monger Richard Mellon Scaife. Pipes is also known for his latest endeavor, Campus Watch, (http//www.campuswatch.org ) wherein he actively encourages "the paranoid style" by targeting professors who don't tow his politically correct line. Monitoring Middle East Studies professors, Pipes' group scours educators' work for bias and enlists students and academics who are "interested in promoting American interests on campus" to spy and tattle. A professor who is concerned about Dick Cheney's $73 million in business transactions with Iraq (even as sanctions continued to kill 5,000 Iraqi children monthly), for example, might be wise to keep his mouth shut, else possibly be listed on Pipes' website and become besieged with hate mail and death threats. What was Pipes saying about paranoia, again?

Now that debunkers like Pipes have been linked to conspiracies to squelch dissent and Bush's official national security policy openly expresses a desire for dominance and control, is it any wonder conspiracy theories thrive? From the 2000 election to unanswered Sept. 11 questions to outright fabrications over Iraq, the president has repeatedly proven that he will lie shamelessly in order to garner more power for himself and his cronies. The shroud of secrecy under which the administration operates only serves to fuel speculation, while last minute GOP sneakiness, like the maneuvers that ballooned the 32 page Homeland Security Bill to nearly 500 pages virtually overnight, prove once again whose side theses folks are on.

CONTINUED...

http://www.davidicke.net/tellthetruth/conspiracy/credib...
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  - How 'Conspiracy Kooks' Became More Credible Than the White House  Octafish   Apr-01-05 04:42 PM   #60 
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  - kick  there-s a   Apr-01-05 06:25 PM   #66 
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  - Kick into Sunday.  oasis   Apr-02-05 03:10 PM   #86 
  - kicking up again and thank you Octafish! You Rock!  anarchy1999   Apr-02-05 03:52 PM   #87 
     - Gracias, amigos! Remember FRANK CHURCH...  Octafish   Apr-03-05 09:42 AM   #96 
  - kick  lonestarnot   Apr-03-05 09:27 AM   #95 
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  - Catherine Austin Fitts  RBHam   Apr-05-05 02:38 PM   #99 
  - Ol' Ruppert may be on to something: Safety in Numbers.  Octafish   Apr-05-05 09:28 PM   #101 
  - kick  Swamp Rat   Apr-06-05 01:27 AM   #102 
 

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