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Behind the Aegis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 04:56 PM
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65. I feel your premise is a little off.
I do not see "liberal intolerance" of the devout or religious. There are a few here who might be rude. But, I feel what many are intolerant of is the devout or religious expecting all others to adhere to THEIR faith. I have no issue if you are religious, but if you use your religion as the basis to deny my or my loved ones equal rights, then I have an issue.

"Saying that religious organizations should not have the same privileges as non-profits or non-governmental organizations if they follow the same criteria is just ignorant. Of course they should not pay taxes!" Religious organizations SHOULD NOT have the same privileges as other non-profits IF they are promoting a POLITICAL agenda. To not tax them is allowing them to do something no other non-profit is allowed to do.

I feel the real hypocrisy is when others expect their religion trumps the rights of others.
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  -We need to have a big debate about religion. Not quiet it up. We need applegrove  Mar-29-05 06:38 PM   #0 
  - I applaud you, applegrove. Great post!  babylonsister   Mar-29-05 06:44 PM   #1 
  - Am I reading a different OP?  Just Me   Mar-29-05 07:08 PM   #13 
     - I for one am intolerant  Toots   Mar-29-05 07:43 PM   #22 
        - You choose NOT to tolerate others imposing their will/perception,...  Just Me   Mar-29-05 08:01 PM   #26 
  - 'religious organizations' and their zeal to focus on ....  stillcool47   Mar-29-05 06:46 PM   #2 
  - Listen to what you just said...  Jeff in Cincinnati   Mar-29-05 07:02 PM   #8 
     - i realised after posting....  stillcool47   Mar-29-05 11:54 PM   #48 
        - Somebody a whole lot smarter than me...  Jeff in Cincinnati   Mar-30-05 05:33 AM   #51 
           - well said. n/t  applegrove   Mar-31-05 04:46 AM   #70 
  - I whole heartily agree! When Air America first went on the air  Amy6627   Mar-29-05 06:49 PM   #3 
  - Its not just to find the discrepancies  Az   Mar-29-05 06:49 PM   #4 
  - I mostly agree.  eallen   Mar-29-05 06:50 PM   #5 
  - Please explain further.  July   Mar-29-05 06:59 PM   #6 
  - The problem is that we're involved in a three-some  Jeff in Cincinnati   Mar-29-05 07:33 PM   #21 
  - You are talking like all DUers accept the liberal Christians. they do not!  applegrove   Mar-29-05 09:58 PM   #33 
     - I agree that we need to talk about religion...  Jeff in Cincinnati   Mar-30-05 05:39 AM   #52 
  - Ability to have faith is a human trait. Like being really strong or really  applegrove   Mar-29-05 09:49 PM   #32 
  - I was wondering the same thing:  ultraist   Apr-01-05 04:47 AM   #79 
  - Thanks for the link  kliljedahl   Mar-29-05 06:59 PM   #7 
  - Your signature  adwon   Mar-29-05 07:03 PM   #9 
  - I'm an agnostic who recently  XemaSab   Mar-29-05 07:19 PM   #19 
     - & a Leonard Cohen fan too  kliljedahl   Mar-29-05 07:23 PM   #20 
     - Nope, I'm 27  XemaSab   Mar-29-05 07:54 PM   #24 
     - Didn't disappoint  kliljedahl   Mar-29-05 07:57 PM   #25 
        - Quite odd  XemaSab   Mar-29-05 08:07 PM   #27 
        - Your Signature Line, Mr. Kliljedahl, Is Marvelous  The Magistrate   Mar-29-05 08:15 PM   #30 
           - TYVM  kliljedahl   Mar-29-05 08:28 PM   #31 
              - LOL!  ultraist   Apr-01-05 04:52 AM   #81 
     - Thank You for the sign. Just the way I feel. n/t  anitar1   Mar-30-05 05:02 PM   #67 
     - Another LC fan here . . .  Heidi   Apr-01-05 04:49 AM   #80 
     - well, one of the main things I have against liberal Xians is  mitchtv   Apr-01-05 02:24 PM   #89 
  - Applegrove, when I have thoughts like that,...I tell them to PISS OFF!!  Just Me   Mar-29-05 07:03 PM   #10 
  - Repulsive? Hmmm who the **** do you think is running all the orphanages  applegrove   Mar-29-05 10:05 PM   #34 
  - A boon, if I may  kypper   Mar-29-05 07:05 PM   #11 
  - And who looks into the eyes of the ones who are addicted, starving,  applegrove   Mar-29-05 10:15 PM   #35 
     - I still disagree  kypper   Mar-29-05 11:13 PM   #43 
        - You are feeling like that if someone has 'faith' that it diminishes you.  applegrove   Mar-29-05 11:27 PM   #44 
           - Again you are clutching a fallacy  kypper   Mar-30-05 08:27 AM   #54 
           - Faith is learned and it it inborn. It can be one or the other. And there  applegrove   Mar-30-05 04:49 PM   #62 
              - Bullshit  kypper   Mar-30-05 09:35 PM   #68 
                 - Your way or the highway?  applegrove   Mar-31-05 04:45 AM   #69 
           - Having "faith" as you define it, is NOT an ability.  ultraist   Apr-01-05 05:12 AM   #85 
  - Tolerance isnt developed by arguing.  K-W   Mar-29-05 07:06 PM   #12 
  - Speak for yourself.  Warpy   Mar-29-05 07:08 PM   #14 
  - I am pro-choice. But I think there is room for further effort as in  applegrove   Mar-29-05 10:33 PM   #37 
  - First, look up the word "trite." You are misusing it  Warpy   Mar-30-05 10:44 AM   #59 
  - Maybe you should try & get rid of your prejudice against women...  countryjake   Mar-30-05 04:54 PM   #63 
  - Honey people who have three children and don't keep them get counselled!  applegrove   Mar-31-05 04:52 AM   #71 
     - If a woman doesn't want to go thru birth, why is having it...  countryjake   Mar-31-05 10:52 AM   #72 
        - I am saying that there is nothing better than a baby. Am I wrong?  applegrove   Mar-31-05 06:43 PM   #73 
           - Take home ec if ya want to learn how to sew; leave religion in church!  countryjake   Apr-01-05 03:16 AM   #74 
           - something better than a baby? yup  mitchtv   Apr-01-05 02:14 PM   #88 
  - You seem to have a very simplistic view of civil libertarians  BBradley   Apr-01-05 03:26 PM   #94 
  - No, that study did not show "belief" is hard wired  ultraist   Apr-01-05 05:01 AM   #82 
  - Why don't we just have a debate on the number of angels that  Cleita   Mar-29-05 07:10 PM   #15 
  - Here we go again people!  _TJ_   Mar-29-05 07:13 PM   #16 
  - Your first four sentences are,...just plain weird. Would you kindly,...  Just Me   Mar-29-05 07:13 PM   #17 
  - Like these religious are lost and should not be bothered with for their  applegrove   Mar-29-05 10:49 PM   #38 
  - I was surprised that the recent religion thread...  Algomas   Mar-29-05 07:13 PM   #18 
  - Oh and liberals like Ralph Nader will take money from Kool-aiders.  applegrove   Mar-29-05 10:55 PM   #39 
  - ugh... shoot me now  BigMcLargehuge   Mar-29-05 07:48 PM   #23 
  - Oh, AMEN, Brother McLarge  onager   Mar-29-05 08:14 PM   #29 
  - No there is nothing wrong with how you feel about George Bush. That  applegrove   Mar-29-05 11:29 PM   #45 
  - Our shared humanity is another way of looking at it. Tolerance of  applegrove   Mar-29-05 10:57 PM   #40 
     - which differences is it alright for me to not accept?  BigMcLargehuge   Mar-29-05 11:29 PM   #46 
        - Anyone breaking the "golden rule" according to today present and  applegrove   Mar-29-05 11:50 PM   #47 
        - so the golden rule being -  BigMcLargehuge   Mar-30-05 12:13 AM   #49 
           - The Hindu & Muslim networks come in by satellite. And they can  applegrove   Mar-30-05 12:47 AM   #50 
        - This is war and we're losing...  Jeff in Cincinnati   Mar-30-05 08:15 AM   #53 
        - Like I maintained in the other posts in this subthread...  BigMcLargehuge   Mar-30-05 09:05 AM   #55 
           - Bang! You're Dead!  Jeff in Cincinnati   Mar-30-05 10:08 AM   #58 
        - Well said Bro McLarge!  ultraist   Apr-01-05 05:11 AM   #84 
  - what a waste of time  amazona   Mar-29-05 08:09 PM   #28 
  - We are not perfect. But we are good human beings. That is what we  applegrove   Mar-29-05 10:59 PM   #41 
  - You look for hypocrisy where little exists...  Solon   Mar-29-05 10:24 PM   #36 
  - That is how you get through the day - on good, new, intense information.  applegrove   Mar-29-05 11:04 PM   #42 
  - So we are perfect? I am not advocating religious schooling in public  applegrove   Mar-30-05 04:47 PM   #61 
     - after 11&1/2 years of Catholic school  mitchtv   Apr-01-05 02:40 PM   #90 
  - So--all Liberals are religion-haters?  Bridget Burke   Mar-30-05 09:23 AM   #56 
  - I did not say that. I happen to think that a more tribal USA is a bad  applegrove   Mar-30-05 04:54 PM   #64 
  - sorry  sniffa   Mar-30-05 09:36 AM   #57 
  - So you can skip the discussion. Those of us who want to build  applegrove   Mar-30-05 04:39 PM   #60 
  - I feel your premise is a little off.  Behind the Aegis   Mar-30-05 04:56 PM   #65 
  - I was responding to the person who said that religions should not  applegrove   Mar-30-05 05:00 PM   #66 
  - One minute admitting a point someone else makes is good  Jamastiene   Apr-01-05 03:52 AM   #75 
  - don't patronize the religious--but do point out shared values  yurbud   Apr-01-05 04:04 AM   #76 
  - Right wingers consider liberal christians as bad as atheists  yurbud   Apr-01-05 04:04 AM   #77 
  - a problem with religion in public (or any) discourse  yurbud   Apr-01-05 04:12 AM   #78 
  - Huh  OETKB   Apr-01-05 05:10 AM   #83 
  - We have no right to be intolerant of people born with the ability to THINK  ultraist   Apr-01-05 05:20 AM   #86 
  - ... more proselytising... HAHA! You will never get me!  Swamp Rat   Apr-01-05 05:42 AM   #87 
  - Liberal intolerance of the devout vs the Devout's intolerance of Liberals  Bluebear   Apr-01-05 02:43 PM   #91 
  - Strongly disagree  Catt03   Apr-01-05 03:13 PM   #92 
  - You guys keep going with your circle jerk, then.  BBradley   Apr-01-05 03:22 PM   #93 
  - Locking  Moderator   Apr-01-05 03:29 PM   #95 
 

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