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flamin lib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-05 01:37 PM
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41. It has nothing to do with science or knowledge, it has to do with

The perception of "reality" is shaped by experience. If the only experience you have is with elders and teachers who tell you that the world was created in 6 days, then by golly the world was created in 6 days.

If your experience is that everybody knows that strapping a bomb to your body and killing the infidel will get you 72 virgins in heaven, then by golly get the Viagra ready!

What is "real" to one group is not "real" to another.

To say that anyone has a firm grip on what reality is flies in the face of, well, reality.
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  -Is Science Truth? The Bible? Spirituality? Who Knows? uhhuh  Mar-22-05 12:15 PM   #0 
  - Your very reliance on "rationality" is an automatic endorsement of science  Goldmund   Mar-22-05 12:18 PM   #1 
  - How so?  uhhuh   Mar-22-05 12:29 PM   #5 
     - If they don't, it will be because some other methods will...  Goldmund   Mar-22-05 12:49 PM   #13 
        - Or to redefine rationality  uhhuh   Mar-22-05 12:57 PM   #19 
           - That's cute, I admit  Goldmund   Mar-22-05 01:16 PM   #33 
              - Only if you accept the definition!  uhhuh   Mar-22-05 01:22 PM   #38 
                 - LOL!!!  Goldmund   Mar-22-05 01:37 PM   #40 
  - The problem you run into  trotsky   Mar-22-05 12:22 PM   #2 
  - exactly. They are two very different processes  ultraist   Mar-22-05 12:54 PM   #17 
     - Not talking Christianity specifically  uhhuh   Mar-22-05 12:59 PM   #22 
        - They change and evolve  ultraist   Mar-22-05 01:10 PM   #28 
           - Not Talking religion specifically  uhhuh   Mar-22-05 01:20 PM   #36 
  - Which means the only rational thing is not to believe in it.  eallen   Mar-22-05 12:23 PM   #3 
  - ok  uhhuh   Mar-22-05 12:26 PM   #4 
     - As usual, the devil is in the details...  eallen   Mar-22-05 12:53 PM   #16 
        - What is done when there are conflicting theories?  ultraist   Mar-22-05 12:59 PM   #21 
        - What is the process to test a theory generally?  uhhuh   Mar-22-05 01:05 PM   #24 
           - What is the process to test theories?  ultraist   Mar-22-05 01:14 PM   #32 
           - What you describe is engineering, and occurs where the science is settled.  eallen   Mar-22-05 01:41 PM   #43 
              - Ok  uhhuh   Mar-22-05 01:55 PM   #47 
              - There are many criteria, but here is an imporant and relevant one....  eallen   Mar-22-05 02:02 PM   #49 
              - On a point of history  muriel_volestrangler   Mar-22-05 02:21 PM   #51 
                 - Doh!  eallen   Mar-22-05 03:03 PM   #52 
  - Line from the movie Prophesy:  flamin lib   Mar-22-05 12:31 PM   #6 
  - It is the Christian god in question  firefox   Mar-22-05 12:33 PM   #7 
  - Everything is in question  uhhuh   Mar-22-05 12:47 PM   #12 
     - 2+2=4 Is that in question?  Toots   Mar-22-05 01:06 PM   #25 
        - I agree it is accepted now  uhhuh   Mar-22-05 01:10 PM   #29 
        - Math is a troublesome example, I would try something else.  K-W   Mar-22-05 01:26 PM   #39 
        - Yes facts are troublesome things..maybe "everything" is not in question  Toots   Mar-22-05 01:42 PM   #44 
        - 2 + 2 = 4 only in base 10.  flamin lib   Mar-22-05 01:41 PM   #42 
           - No, two plus two equals four in any base --  Goldmund   Mar-22-05 01:42 PM   #45 
  - Much of the world that surrounds us is beyond our unaided senses  LdyGuique   Mar-22-05 12:33 PM   #8 
  - Therein lies the difference between Science and religion  ultraist   Mar-22-05 01:06 PM   #26 
  - You're confusing truth and the real  HEIL PRESIDENT GOD   Mar-22-05 12:34 PM   #9 
  - "To make a definitive declaration that something is non existent  BlueEyedSon   Mar-22-05 12:36 PM   #10 
  - The problem is that we all define "reality" based upon our  flamin lib   Mar-22-05 12:50 PM   #14 
  - No reality isnt a moving target, just your subjective experience.  K-W   Mar-22-05 01:16 PM   #34 
     - It has nothing to do with science or knowledge, it has to do with  flamin lib   Mar-22-05 01:37 PM   #41 
  - Why is that the default position  uhhuh   Mar-22-05 12:50 PM   #15 
     - Occams razor?  BlueEyedSon   Mar-22-05 12:57 PM   #20 
     - Parsimony  K-W   Mar-22-05 01:21 PM   #37 
     - My take on it is a little different...  eallen   Mar-22-05 01:57 PM   #48 
        - well done! nice post  ultraist   Mar-22-05 03:34 PM   #57 
  - Militant Agnosticism:  SnowGoose   Mar-22-05 12:45 PM   #11 
  - True  uhhuh   Mar-22-05 12:55 PM   #18 
     - Hey hey hey, don't confuse spirituality with religion.  BlueEyedSon   Mar-22-05 01:00 PM   #23 
        - Not to start a huge semantic argument but  Az   Mar-22-05 01:18 PM   #35 
           - I'm just working with the extremes here  uhhuh   Mar-22-05 01:51 PM   #46 
              - If you stop and think about it....  SnowGoose   Mar-22-05 03:15 PM   #54 
  - Anyone who bothers to learn about this stuff knows.  K-W   Mar-22-05 01:08 PM   #27 
  - Ok. What if  uhhuh   Mar-22-05 02:03 PM   #50 
     - Methodological questions are raised all the time.  eallen   Mar-22-05 03:03 PM   #53 
  - Asking the wrong question....  Solon   Mar-22-05 01:13 PM   #30 
  - Stephen J Gould would say the same thing  SnowGoose   Mar-22-05 03:21 PM   #55 
     - No problem...  Solon   Mar-22-05 03:25 PM   #56 
  - Absolutes are always tricky  Az   Mar-22-05 01:13 PM   #31 

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