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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-05 11:32 PM
Response to Reply #46
117. 15 years ago
Edited on Sat Mar-19-05 11:38 PM by Horse with no Name
Living wills were almost unheard of.
Now it is mandatory that all patients over the age of 18 be informed of them so they can make that decision, but back when all this happened, they were a rarity.

The U.S. Supreme Court affirmed this right in 1990 and 1997 stating "An individual has a constitutional right to request the withdrawal or withholding of medical treatment, even if doing so will result in the persons death" (Kaplan 3). Today, all 50 states authorize and use written advance medical directives in the form of Living Wills or medical power of attorneys. These allow for the withdrawal of extraordinary means that prolong life such as intravenous feedings, respirators, and artificial kidney machines, decided by a person prior to illness or injury. According to a 1991 Gallup poll, 75% of all Americans approve of living wills (Kaplan 3).
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  -Who really has Terry's best interests ? Her Parents or her husband? drdon326  Mar-19-05 04:31 PM   #0 
  - The courts have ruled again and again  killbotfactory   Mar-19-05 04:32 PM   #1 
  - Fill me in please!  _TJ_   Mar-20-05 10:04 AM   #136 
  - That's quite a contradiction.  Bunny   Mar-19-05 04:33 PM   #2 
  - I know it is...  drdon326   Mar-19-05 04:49 PM   #14 
     - From what I understand  The empressof all   Mar-19-05 05:00 PM   #22 
     - Maybe you could sort out something from  zidzi   Mar-19-05 05:00 PM   #23 
     - Myth, see my post below nt  Quixote1818   Mar-19-05 05:00 PM   #24 
  - My husband knows me better than my parents  gollygee   Mar-19-05 04:33 PM   #3 
  - He is still her next of kin.  Lars39   Mar-19-05 04:34 PM   #4 
  - Not about husband or parents  Casandra   Mar-19-05 04:34 PM   #5 
  - She CHOSE her husband. And her parents admit they would defy  mondo joe   Mar-19-05 04:34 PM   #6 
  - Really? I hadn't heard this. Where did you find this information?  Ladyhawk   Mar-19-05 04:38 PM   #9 
  - Right here -  mondo joe   Mar-19-05 05:05 PM   #28 
     - This IS NOT Catholic  sandnsea   Mar-19-05 05:28 PM   #50 
     - Good info......  drdon326   Mar-19-05 05:31 PM   #51 
        - Um, what?  Lindacooks   Mar-19-05 11:50 PM   #118 
  - I hadn't heard that either.  drdon326   Mar-19-05 04:57 PM   #21 
     - Excerpt from 38 page report  mondo joe   Mar-19-05 05:06 PM   #30 
  - I believe they think they have her best interests at heart.  Pithlet   Mar-19-05 04:35 PM   #7 
  - If my parents showed my brain-dead face all over the country I'd HATE THEM  blm   Mar-19-05 04:37 PM   #8 
  - They only did that when her husband wanted to pull the plug.  drdon326   Mar-19-05 04:39 PM   #10 
  - Would THEY want to stay alive like that? Most sane people would NOT  blm   Mar-19-05 04:46 PM   #11 
  - Says you. nt  ProgressiveConn   Mar-19-05 04:49 PM   #13 
     - Says me and 87% of the rest of the country, if the polls matter.  blm   Mar-19-05 05:47 PM   #65 
  - He wanted to pull the plug  Pithlet   Mar-19-05 04:52 PM   #15 
  - I would.  ProgressiveConn   Mar-19-05 04:48 PM   #12 
     - Well, if you want to remove the law  Pithlet   Mar-19-05 04:54 PM   #17 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Mar-19-05 05:07 PM   #32 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Mar-19-05 05:16 PM   #39 
     - Yep they should and they can.  ProgressiveConn   Mar-19-05 05:25 PM   #46 
     - Most people don't have living wills.  Pithlet   Mar-19-05 05:27 PM   #49 
     - It can only be her fault that she didn't have one.  ProgressiveConn   Mar-19-05 05:34 PM   #53 
        - Butt out.  Pithlet   Mar-19-05 05:35 PM   #55 
        - No you Butt out.  ProgressiveConn   Mar-19-05 05:40 PM   #62 
           - I'm not murdering anyone!  Pithlet   Mar-19-05 05:43 PM   #63 
           - Painful? You REALLY don't know what you're talking about.  mondo joe   Mar-19-05 05:44 PM   #64 
           - Maybe you should go a week or two without eating.  ProgressiveConn   Mar-19-05 05:52 PM   #69 
              - I don't need to. The hospice process is well documented.  mondo joe   Mar-19-05 06:02 PM   #76 
           - (biting my tongue to keep myself from calling you something)  ima_sinnic   Mar-19-05 08:21 PM   #105 
        - She was very young. But she DID make her wishes known.  mondo joe   Mar-19-05 05:35 PM   #56 
     - 15 years ago  Horse with no Name   Mar-19-05 11:32 PM   #117 
     - That's ridiculous.  Lindacooks   Mar-19-05 11:52 PM   #120 
     - if he is her spouse, then is he committing adultery?  WillYourVoteBCounted   Mar-20-05 12:15 AM   #124 
        - When did he spend "over a million of Terri's rehab money on himself"?  mondo joe   Mar-20-05 12:19 AM   #127 
     - You want people to override your choice of a legal guardian?  mondo joe   Mar-19-05 05:07 PM   #31 
     - Yep.  ProgressiveConn   Mar-19-05 05:08 PM   #33 
        - That doesn't answer my question. You want someone to override YOUR  mondo joe   Mar-19-05 05:15 PM   #38 
           - If my legal guardian ever decides that feeding me was to much of a burden  ProgressiveConn   Mar-19-05 05:16 PM   #40 
              - I see - so you know what I would want better than the person I choose  mondo joe   Mar-19-05 05:19 PM   #42 
              - Glad to know you are argueing for someone chosen decades ago  ProgressiveConn   Mar-19-05 05:22 PM   #44 
                 - I'm arguing for the right of the individual to choose their guardian  mondo joe   Mar-19-05 05:33 PM   #52 
                    - No you're not.  ProgressiveConn   Mar-19-05 05:38 PM   #58 
                       - I'm arguing to respect Terri's expressed wishes and HER choice  mondo joe   Mar-19-05 05:39 PM   #60 
              - Your twisting the facts.  girl gone mad   Mar-19-05 05:25 PM   #47 
                 - No. She isn't being kept alive using un-natural means she is merely being  ProgressiveConn   Mar-19-05 05:27 PM   #48 
                    - She has chemicals being pumped into her gut. It's as artificial  mondo joe   Mar-19-05 05:34 PM   #54 
                       - Good to know that being fed is unnatural.  ProgressiveConn   Mar-19-05 05:39 PM   #59 
                          - By your rationale a respirator is natural breathing.  mondo joe   Mar-19-05 05:40 PM   #61 
                             - Good to know that I should have been starved to death because I couldn't  ProgressiveConn   Mar-19-05 05:50 PM   #67 
                                - Funny how you ignore my argument is based on the CHOICE  mondo joe   Mar-19-05 05:52 PM   #68 
                                   - All you need to do is prove that she didn't want to be fed should she  ProgressiveConn   Mar-19-05 05:54 PM   #71 
                                      - It's already proven by her statments as testified to by her  mondo joe   Mar-19-05 06:00 PM   #74 
                                         - Please show me anything that says that she wants to be  ProgressiveConn   Mar-19-05 06:02 PM   #77 
                                            - Again, she expressed her wishes about being kept alive  mondo joe   Mar-19-05 06:04 PM   #79 
                                            - Let her husband feed her by hand.  ProgressiveConn   Mar-19-05 06:09 PM   #80 
                                            - Oh are you one of the specialists who examined her?  mondo joe   Mar-19-05 06:13 PM   #83 
                                            - sheesh!! UNFUCKIN REAL!!  ima_sinnic   Mar-19-05 08:26 PM   #106 
                                            - only hearsay  WillYourVoteBCounted   Mar-20-05 12:23 AM   #130 
                                               - You're wrong AGAIN. It's not only Michael but other witnesses as well.  mondo joe   Mar-20-05 12:35 AM   #132 
                                            - Whether you like it or agree with it or not  Horse with no Name   Mar-20-05 12:11 AM   #123 
     - Terminally brain damaged?  sandnsea   Mar-19-05 05:37 PM   #57 
  - Both  KayLaw   Mar-19-05 04:53 PM   #16 
  - I think the hubby  Old Deuteronomy   Mar-19-05 04:54 PM   #18 
  - Hubby?  molly   Mar-19-05 07:13 PM   #98 
     - MINO.....Married In Name Only  drdon326   Mar-19-05 07:20 PM   #99 
     - And?  Old Deuteronomy   Mar-20-05 10:02 AM   #135 
  - PLEASE READ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!AND LEARN!!!!!  Quixote1818   Mar-19-05 04:57 PM   #19 
  - You are so right  KayLaw   Mar-19-05 05:01 PM   #26 
  - Excellent post.  drdon326   Mar-19-05 05:06 PM   #29 
  - Read this whole thing  Quixote1818   Mar-19-05 05:09 PM   #34 
  - Based on what he SAID terri said to him (not sure about the others)  soothsayer   Mar-19-05 06:09 PM   #81 
  - Well, I think Michael does...  zidzi   Mar-19-05 04:57 PM   #20 
  - If it's about dignity...it's her husband  medeak   Mar-19-05 05:01 PM   #25 
  - This Is What Legal Marriage Is About  KharmaTrain   Mar-19-05 05:03 PM   #27 
  - Oh really?  cornermouse   Mar-19-05 05:09 PM   #35 
  - It doesnt. I admit it.  drdon326   Mar-19-05 05:13 PM   #37 
     - I feel bad for the parents also.  cornermouse   Mar-19-05 05:23 PM   #45 
  - This is none of our business.  fasttense   Mar-19-05 05:12 PM   #36 
  - The parents may seem to have more love/interest in her welfare  DemExpat   Mar-19-05 05:17 PM   #41 
  - Her Husband  Bettie   Mar-19-05 05:21 PM   #43 
  - Terri was not estranged from her parents, in fact Michael  Riding this Donkey   Mar-19-05 05:55 PM   #72 
     - I'm not estranged from my parents  gollygee   Mar-19-05 06:04 PM   #78 
  - Irrelevent.  Toucano   Mar-19-05 05:50 PM   #66 
  - I just have trouble giving him rights because he's married  Yupster   Mar-19-05 11:17 PM   #113 
     - It's not up to you to give him the right. Terri did already.  mondo joe   Mar-19-05 11:52 PM   #121 
     - This is so amazing.  Toucano   Mar-20-05 12:16 AM   #125 
  - I'm not comfortable making such judgments  imenja   Mar-19-05 05:53 PM   #70 
  - Husbands still own their wives in this country  hollywood926   Mar-19-05 05:57 PM   #73 
  - If the situation were reversed it would be her choice. Please stop lying.  mondo joe   Mar-19-05 06:01 PM   #75 
  - Please stop lying?  molly   Mar-19-05 07:02 PM   #90 
  - Yes, and again, please stop lying.  mondo joe   Mar-19-05 07:06 PM   #93 
     - Do you only say this to women?  molly   Mar-19-05 07:07 PM   #95 
        - I have no idea what any poster's gender is.  mondo joe   Mar-19-05 09:04 PM   #109 
  - But what if the husband moved out on Terri,  Yupster   Mar-19-05 11:20 PM   #115 
     - He didn't move out. She's HOSPITALIZED.  mondo joe   Mar-20-05 12:18 AM   #126 
  - Ah! A like-minded person! That "husband owns wife thing" strikes  soothsayer   Mar-19-05 06:11 PM   #82 
  - And the fact that if positions were reversed SHE would be the decision  mondo joe   Mar-19-05 06:14 PM   #84 
  - Come on!  Pithlet   Mar-19-05 09:36 PM   #110 
  - I don't know where you're getting your  zidzi   Mar-19-05 06:14 PM   #85 
  - It isn't a case of owning, and if it were I'd think you'd be equally  gollygee   Mar-19-05 06:36 PM   #86 
  - If anyone dared to keep me, with a liquid cortex  FLDem5   Mar-19-05 06:45 PM   #87 
  - He should have divorced her then  molly   Mar-19-05 07:04 PM   #91 
     - His motive is to carry out her wishes rather than abandon her to scum  mondo joe   Mar-19-05 07:05 PM   #92 
     - To do what his wife would want?  gollygee   Mar-19-05 07:06 PM   #94 
     - I would have to say his motives are  FLDem5   Mar-19-05 07:10 PM   #97 
  - You said it best!  molly   Mar-19-05 07:01 PM   #89 
  - He used up all her funds, not on her but himself  WillYourVoteBCounted   Mar-20-05 12:37 AM   #133 
     - This is absolutely false.  mondo joe   Mar-20-05 10:04 AM   #137 
  - I'll just copy and paste  Pithlet   Mar-19-05 09:38 PM   #111 
  - Exactly  WillYourVoteBCounted   Mar-20-05 12:32 AM   #131 
  - Hard to know  pacifictiger   Mar-19-05 06:59 PM   #88 
  - Nobody knows....  kentuck   Mar-19-05 07:10 PM   #96 
  - The husband certainly seems to.  Tierra_y_Libertad   Mar-19-05 07:35 PM   #100 
  - I'm with you but - and also ...  the_spectator   Mar-19-05 07:54 PM   #101 
  - He didn't "take up with another woman IMMEDIATELY"  crispini   Mar-19-05 08:02 PM   #103 
  - 8 months later a nice pay day  Corgigal   Mar-19-05 11:18 PM   #114 
  - Please, please, please stop repeating lies about Michael Schiavo.  mondo joe   Mar-19-05 08:03 PM   #104 
  - "immediately" may have been too strong a word but  the_spectator   Mar-19-05 08:54 PM   #107 
     - Michael Schiavo provided EXTRAORDINARY care for Terri  mondo joe   Mar-19-05 09:03 PM   #108 
  - What are you going to autopsy?  Horse with no Name   Mar-20-05 12:08 AM   #122 
  - Michale Shiavo is a HERO and her parents are GHOULISH MONSTERS  Walt Starr   Mar-19-05 07:57 PM   #102 
  - Since the husband has two kids  Yupster   Mar-19-05 11:07 PM   #112 
  - Because that would mean abandoning her to 2 people who ADMIT  mondo joe   Mar-19-05 11:22 PM   #116 
  - Having experienced this very issue, The Parents are the Selfish Ones NT  AuntPatsy   Mar-19-05 11:51 PM   #119 
  - Who gives a shit?  Hippo_Tron   Mar-20-05 12:19 AM   #128 
  - All this is OUT of Michaels hands now! Michael waved his authority  Quixote1818   Mar-20-05 12:22 AM   #129 
  - Easy Answer!!!!! Tom DeLay  Quixote1818   Mar-20-05 12:54 AM   #134 
  - Talk about buying in on the spin  ljm2002   Mar-20-05 10:40 AM   #138 
 

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