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Response to Reply #3
5. True. But should we treat them like any other opposition party? N/M
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  -The Greens .... are they at it "again" ?? gully  Sep-12-03 06:29 PM   #0 
  - Trying to do a little shite-stirring, hmmmmmm?  Mairead   Sep-12-03 07:10 PM   #1 
  - well if you know who gets the nod  JohnKleeb   Sep-12-03 07:12 PM   #2 
  - Kucinich has no chance  TheYellowDog   Sep-12-03 08:21 PM   #48 
     - If you're the best representation of Democrats  Terwilliger   Sep-12-03 08:59 PM   #63 
        - Ta Ta...  gully   Sep-12-03 09:02 PM   #65 
        - T, it's not his fault  bitchkitty   Sep-13-03 12:18 PM   #124 
           - is this what you call "no chance"?  tinanator   Sep-14-03 06:46 AM   #172 
           - I wasn't speaking for others sweetie,  bitchkitty   Sep-14-03 09:36 AM   #175 
           - the presidential poll right at the top right  tinanator   Sep-14-03 06:19 PM   #236 
           - that's what I call an unscientific poll  pruner   Sep-14-03 09:09 PM   #246 
              - i feel the same  tinanator   Sep-14-03 10:54 PM   #251 
           - kit they dont know who he is  JohnKleeb   Sep-14-03 10:56 AM   #185 
  - I think the Greens are stirrin the ol' shit myself...  gully   Sep-12-03 07:20 PM   #6 
  - It's just election propaganda.  BillyBunter   Sep-12-03 07:15 PM   #3 
  - True. But should we treat them like any other opposition party? N/M  gully   Sep-12-03 07:18 PM   #5 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Sep-12-03 07:17 PM   #4 
  - Gosh, did you read where the site says Dems 'SUPPORTED' the Afghan war ?  gully   Sep-12-03 07:23 PM   #8 
  - and, what...you dont think they Supported it?  Terwilliger   Sep-12-03 07:28 PM   #12 
     - You think it's ok to LIE and say Democrats supported a war ignoring those  gully   Sep-12-03 07:34 PM   #20 
        - Deleted message  Name removed   Sep-12-03 07:37 PM   #27 
           - I'm not the dumb one here...  gully   Sep-12-03 07:47 PM   #32 
              - Please try  Terwilliger   Sep-12-03 07:54 PM   #36 
                 - You still haven't proven anything. n/t  gully   Sep-12-03 08:00 PM   #40 
  - Greens will run a candidate  GreenInNC   Sep-12-03 07:27 PM   #10 
     - oh they're worried...that's why they're trying to purge the left  Terwilliger   Sep-12-03 07:29 PM   #14 
     - You nailed it exactly on the head.  BillyBunter   Sep-12-03 07:29 PM   #15 
     - Then you can't blame Nader  Terwilliger   Sep-12-03 07:32 PM   #19 
     - Brilliant logic!  BillyBunter   Sep-12-03 07:36 PM   #25 
        - no wonder you people keep losing  Terwilliger   Sep-12-03 07:39 PM   #28 
           - LOL  BillyBunter   Sep-12-03 07:42 PM   #30 
              - slunk?  Terwilliger   Sep-12-03 07:45 PM   #31 
                 - You slunk off with  BillyBunter   Sep-12-03 07:56 PM   #38 
                 - Sorry, your logic seems faulty  Terwilliger   Sep-12-03 08:14 PM   #44 
                    - I'm almost speechless here.  BillyBunter   Sep-12-03 08:31 PM   #50 
                       - unbelievably weak  Terwilliger   Sep-12-03 08:55 PM   #57 
                          - LOL  BillyBunter   Sep-12-03 09:17 PM   #72 
                             - your trend for obfuscation and lies?  Terwilliger   Sep-12-03 09:25 PM   #75 
                             - ;-)  BillyBunter   Sep-12-03 09:37 PM   #77 
                                - as for the lies  Terwilliger   Sep-12-03 10:26 PM   #87 
                             - HEY!  gully   Sep-12-03 09:37 PM   #78 
                 - Can you prove what the website claims?  gully   Sep-12-03 07:56 PM   #39 
     - Gosh, I think I'll work on 'attracting' Bush voters instead  gully   Sep-12-03 07:48 PM   #33 
     - LOL  sgr2   Sep-12-03 07:30 PM   #16 
     - Remember kids...if you like knowledge, don't listen to helmet-head  Terwilliger   Sep-12-03 07:34 PM   #21 
     - We go after Bush daily, and Bush voters still loyal to the Republicans...  gully   Sep-12-03 07:35 PM   #22 
     - I am so sick  fujiyama   Sep-13-03 02:09 AM   #114 
     - Damn! Well said  texasblueeyes   Sep-14-03 02:36 PM   #209 
     - errr....wouldn't that require a shift to the right?  bearfartinthewoods   Sep-14-03 06:29 AM   #168 
        - *BZZZZZZZZZZZZT* Sorry! You've already tried that  Terwilliger   Sep-14-03 06:34 AM   #169 
  - Greens? What greens? I like vegetables... they taste good  sgr2   Sep-12-03 07:21 PM   #7 
  - YUMMM.... Let's do.  gully   Sep-12-03 07:26 PM   #9 
     - Ok, lets try the House Salad  sgr2   Sep-12-03 07:28 PM   #13 
        - He he...  gully   Sep-12-03 07:35 PM   #24 
  - black box voting, voter purges, and other forms of disenfranchisement  noiretblu   Sep-12-03 07:27 PM   #11 
  - sure it is  Terwilliger   Sep-12-03 07:30 PM   #17 
  - To Say the Least.  David Zephyr   Sep-12-03 07:31 PM   #18 
  - Didn't say Greens were responsible, just said there an opposition party.  gully   Sep-12-03 07:36 PM   #26 
     - read my lips: the REAL ISSUE FOR 2004  noiretblu   Sep-12-03 07:51 PM   #35 
        - Your right it's the Republicans...  gully   Sep-12-03 08:02 PM   #41 
  - Greens will go the way of the Reform Party, Bull Moose Party, & hopefully  w4rma   Sep-12-03 07:35 PM   #23 
  - or, quite possibly, the Democratic party  Terwilliger   Sep-12-03 07:40 PM   #29 
     - Is that what you want to see, Terwilliger? (n/t)  w4rma   Sep-12-03 07:50 PM   #34 
        - can we all agree: the republican party should go the way of the dinosaur?  noiretblu   Sep-12-03 07:55 PM   #37 
        - nice long discussion there, Rick  Terwilliger   Sep-12-03 08:04 PM   #42 
           - OPPOSITION IS OPPOSITION, no matter the cloak...  gully   Sep-12-03 08:05 PM   #43 
           - if the Greens and Republicans are both in opposition to Democrats  Terwilliger   Sep-12-03 08:16 PM   #45 
              - Hmmmm, when did the Greens win any major election?  gully   Sep-12-03 08:19 PM   #47 
              - here's news for ya gully...Gore did NOT win the last election  Terwilliger   Sep-12-03 08:53 PM   #55 
                 - Huh? I think the sex, drugs and rock n roll is foggin' your brain  gully   Sep-13-03 11:06 AM   #119 
                    - Excuse me....is Al Gore in the White House?  Terwilliger   Sep-14-03 01:59 PM   #191 
                       - I'm over it...but am not supporting Kerry for the record...N/T  gully   Sep-14-03 02:03 PM   #193 
              - "you people". Interesting. So whose side are you on Terwilliger? (n/t)  w4rma   Sep-12-03 08:53 PM   #56 
                 - Im on the side of whats right  Terwilliger   Sep-12-03 08:57 PM   #60 
                    - Oh, your right, we're 'wrong' ... complex argument  gully   Sep-12-03 09:03 PM   #66 
                    - not complex at all  Terwilliger   Sep-12-03 09:24 PM   #74 
                       - You make as much sense as George Bush.  gully   Sep-12-03 09:39 PM   #79 
                          - hey that's pretty good then  Terwilliger   Sep-12-03 10:27 PM   #88 
                             - nuf said! n/t  gully   Sep-12-03 10:33 PM   #93 
                                - yep...nuf said  Terwilliger   Sep-12-03 11:03 PM   #105 
                    - I'm on the side of what's right. So where does that put "you people"?  w4rma   Sep-13-03 12:27 AM   #112 
                       - but obviously you think "your people" are right  Terwilliger   Sep-14-03 06:10 AM   #163 
           - Dem history bad??  Speed8098   Sep-14-03 06:41 AM   #170 
              - the history of losing in the last 10 years  Terwilliger   Sep-14-03 06:43 AM   #171 
              - It's a mix, of course.  Iverson   Sep-14-03 07:52 AM   #174 
                 - Clinton helped 'people' too believe it or not...  gully   Sep-14-03 10:33 AM   #178 
                 - gully gee  Iverson   Sep-14-03 01:48 PM   #189 
                    - Sorry for the misunderstanding...  gully   Sep-14-03 02:00 PM   #192 
                 - More ways Clinton helped 'people'...  gully   Sep-14-03 10:40 AM   #179 
  - Ignore em...keep the eyes straight ahead  mkregel   Sep-12-03 08:16 PM   #46 
  - All the more reason to cooperate with  TheYellowDog   Sep-12-03 08:22 PM   #49 
  - great: cooperate with the party that stole the election?!?!  noiretblu   Sep-12-03 08:49 PM   #53 
     - they didnt steal the election!  Terwilliger   Sep-12-03 08:58 PM   #61 
  - 500 votes  quaker bill   Sep-12-03 08:44 PM   #51 
  - I agree,  TheYellowDog   Sep-12-03 08:47 PM   #52 
  - now, drop the label "Democrat" and you can do what you want  Terwilliger   Sep-12-03 08:51 PM   #54 
  - Ha! You agree Green are ideological purists  charlie   Sep-12-03 08:59 PM   #62 
  - I would not go that far  quaker bill   Sep-12-03 09:22 PM   #73 
  - You nailed it Quaker Bill...  gully   Sep-12-03 08:56 PM   #58 
  - Yes  quaker bill   Sep-12-03 09:12 PM   #71 
  - centrism is also an ideological stance  noiretblu   Sep-12-03 08:56 PM   #59 
     - Centrists as a rule are flexible...  gully   Sep-12-03 09:00 PM   #64 
        - centrists, as a rule, don't believe in anything  Terwilliger   Sep-12-03 09:09 PM   #68 
        - Correct,  quaker bill   Sep-12-03 09:10 PM   #69 
        - purity of what?  Terwilliger   Sep-12-03 09:26 PM   #76 
           - That would be incorrect  quaker bill   Sep-12-03 09:42 PM   #81 
              - blind devotion to ideological purity  noiretblu   Sep-12-03 10:28 PM   #89 
              - Yes, similar but not same.  quaker bill   Sep-12-03 10:55 PM   #101 
                 - i agree, quaker bill  noiretblu   Sep-12-03 11:14 PM   #108 
              - Blind acceptance of powers that foment hatred, plague, and death  Terwilliger   Sep-12-03 10:29 PM   #90 
                 - Couldn't agree more.  quaker bill   Sep-12-03 10:59 PM   #102 
                    - sorry babe, but Democrats have instituted some seriously FUCKED UP policy  Terwilliger   Sep-12-03 11:07 PM   #107 
                       - I can criticize democrats too.  quaker bill   Sep-12-03 11:42 PM   #110 
                          - I envy you your clarity of purpose  Terwilliger   Sep-14-03 02:17 PM   #198 
        - some greens, some centrists  noiretblu   Sep-12-03 10:23 PM   #85 
           - Perhaps when you being to post in complete sentences, I'll get a clue. n/t  gully   Sep-12-03 10:36 PM   #94 
              - here's the fucking clue  noiretblu   Sep-12-03 10:43 PM   #98 
                 - does saying fuck make your point more credible? nah?  gully   Sep-12-03 10:47 PM   #100 
                    - profanity and spelling...  noiretblu   Sep-12-03 11:02 PM   #104 
                       - I defend Dean here daily....  gully   Sep-13-03 10:31 AM   #115 
                       - hey,Lady  buddhamama   Sep-13-03 12:10 PM   #123 
                          - Deleted message  Name removed   Sep-13-03 12:25 PM   #126 
                          - sense --all in the mind of the listener  buddhamama   Sep-13-03 12:41 PM   #129 
                             - Good for you, that makes two of us.  gully   Sep-13-03 12:44 PM   #130 
                          - LOL...hey there, lady  noiretblu   Sep-14-03 08:20 PM   #237 
                             - No fucking way..  gully   Sep-14-03 09:04 PM   #242 
  - The Greens are LIARS  lifelong_Dem   Sep-12-03 09:06 PM   #67 
  - Oh yeah?  Terwilliger   Sep-12-03 09:10 PM   #70 
     - Well one Green = the Green Party... n/t  gully   Sep-12-03 09:40 PM   #80 
        - that Green follows the platform  Terwilliger   Sep-12-03 10:26 PM   #86 
           - Oh, I see, the platform....  gully   Sep-12-03 10:38 PM   #95 
              - *BZZZZZZZZZZZZT* Sorry! You don't get to use that  Terwilliger   Sep-12-03 11:05 PM   #106 
                 - Al From is NO buddy of mine!!!  gully   Sep-13-03 10:42 AM   #116 
                    - You know...I havent seen anything by Granny D...  Terwilliger   Sep-14-03 06:11 AM   #164 
                       - Sure..I'll be glad to do so again... Perhaps a thread is in order?  gully   Sep-14-03 10:15 AM   #177 
                          - was there something about Granny D?  Terwilliger   Sep-14-03 02:19 PM   #200 
                             - Then read the link I supplied and check out her website...  gully   Sep-14-03 02:25 PM   #204 
                                - her? GrannyD?  Terwilliger   Sep-14-03 03:20 PM   #222 
                                   - Yea, http://www.grannyd.com N/T  gully   Sep-14-03 03:22 PM   #224 
                                      - ahh ok  Terwilliger   Sep-14-03 04:04 PM   #234 
                                         - Once again, here it is...  gully   Sep-14-03 04:12 PM   #235 
  - We have to work  dmkinsey   Sep-12-03 09:55 PM   #82 
  - NO...every Nader voter I know (25) will not vote Green in the 04 go round  ElsewheresDaughter   Sep-12-03 09:58 PM   #83 
  - But what if it's  gully   Sep-12-03 09:59 PM   #84 
  - yes any democrat...with the exception of lieberman ......sorry  ElsewheresDaughter   Sep-12-03 10:42 PM   #96 
     - I can respect that, Thanks!  gully   Sep-13-03 10:48 AM   #117 
  - have you told them you spell his name "Nadar"?  Terwilliger   Sep-12-03 10:30 PM   #92 
     - opps...... Nader traitor  ElsewheresDaughter   Sep-12-03 10:43 PM   #99 
        - it amazes me you support Kucinich  Terwilliger   Sep-12-03 11:02 PM   #103 
  - They're Americans, too.  RUMMYisFROSTED   Sep-12-03 10:29 PM   #91 
  - Me too, and I support the right of Bushies to do the same...  gully   Sep-12-03 10:42 PM   #97 
  - This is terrible!!!  MrPrax   Sep-12-03 11:23 PM   #109 
  - Greens aren't asking for anything...exccept...  Oracle   Sep-13-03 12:23 AM   #111 
  - They left out a few comparisons  John_H   Sep-13-03 01:40 AM   #113 
  - Here, here...  gully   Sep-13-03 11:04 AM   #118 
  - ummm...wanna discuss what realchange.org thinks of Clinton and Gore?  Terwilliger   Sep-13-03 11:07 AM   #120 
     - Nah, been there/done that...  gully   Sep-13-03 11:19 AM   #121 
        - Fucking moderates hate them all! Don't you?  Oracle   Sep-13-03 11:54 AM   #122 
        - Oracle="A person considered to be a source of wise counsel" ...  gully   Sep-13-03 12:32 PM   #127 
        - We fucks do throw shit out....  John_H   Sep-13-03 08:11 PM   #151 
        - so realchange.org is discounted  Terwilliger   Sep-14-03 06:26 AM   #167 
           - No, it's not discounted.  gully   Sep-14-03 10:46 AM   #182 
              - well, then you cant use their claims on Nader as objective  Terwilliger   Sep-14-03 02:05 PM   #194 
                 - I never said they weren't objective with Clinton/Gore  gully   Sep-14-03 02:18 PM   #199 
                    - so, what they said about Nader is just as wrong  Terwilliger   Sep-14-03 02:20 PM   #201 
                       - Read my post Terwilliger...Again, I never said what they said was 'wrong'  gully   Sep-14-03 02:26 PM   #205 
                          - you're being highly evasive  Terwilliger   Sep-14-03 03:19 PM   #221 
                             - No that's not what I said Terwilliger, I said Clinton and Gore had some  gully   Sep-14-03 03:25 PM   #227 
  - Trail of Tears Golf Course  Iverson   Sep-13-03 12:22 PM   #125 
  - I linked a Green Party website.  gully   Sep-13-03 12:34 PM   #128 
  - Terwilliger  charlie   Sep-13-03 12:45 PM   #131 
  - You registered to vote for DK I presume?  gully   Sep-13-03 12:48 PM   #132 
  - why do you presume these things?  buddhamama   Sep-13-03 12:52 PM   #133 
  - My question was not directed at you..  gully   Sep-13-03 12:55 PM   #135 
     - no. you asked your question of charlie  buddhamama   Sep-13-03 12:59 PM   #140 
  - My vote will go to the Democrat that gets the nomination  charlie   Sep-13-03 12:54 PM   #134 
     - i think you're on to something  buddhamama   Sep-13-03 12:57 PM   #136 
     - That means he's voting for the Green Party again?  gully   Sep-13-03 12:59 PM   #139 
        - Deleted message  Name removed   Sep-13-03 01:01 PM   #142 
        - Im not the one with the comprehension problem.  gully   Sep-13-03 01:05 PM   #144 
           - ahh no.  buddhamama   Sep-13-03 01:13 PM   #147 
        - that means who he votes for is none of your business  noiretblu   Sep-14-03 02:29 PM   #207 
           - Why not let him answer my question.  gully   Sep-14-03 02:33 PM   #208 
              - because it's none of your business  noiretblu   Sep-14-03 02:42 PM   #211 
                 - Who are you his attorney...?  gully   Sep-14-03 02:51 PM   #216 
                    - Deleted message  Name removed   Sep-14-03 08:26 PM   #238 
                       - What's a withchunt. N/M  gully   Sep-14-03 09:05 PM   #244 
     - Nope, and once again, the ? was for Terwilliger. n/m  gully   Sep-13-03 12:57 PM   #137 
        - Hard to tell  charlie   Sep-13-03 12:58 PM   #138 
           - Hard to tell.  gully   Sep-13-03 01:00 PM   #141 
              - I haven't spoken for Terwilliger  charlie   Sep-13-03 01:04 PM   #143 
                 - Riiiiiiiiiight.  gully   Sep-13-03 01:08 PM   #145 
                    - I don't know  charlie   Sep-13-03 01:20 PM   #149 
                    - Pounce?  gully   Sep-13-03 01:22 PM   #150 
                    - older than you, gully  Terwilliger   Sep-14-03 06:15 AM   #166 
                       - Are we talking this life only...??  gully   Sep-14-03 10:40 AM   #180 
  - Bullshit.  John_H   Sep-13-03 08:12 PM   #152 
     - I'm a Democrat too.  ulysses   Sep-13-03 08:25 PM   #155 
     - going on an hour, John.  ulysses   Sep-13-03 09:14 PM   #157 
        - I am the Lady X  Terwilliger   Sep-13-03 09:22 PM   #158 
        - you're a nutcake  ulysses   Sep-13-03 09:26 PM   #159 
        - geez - a day later  ulysses   Sep-14-03 08:32 PM   #240 
     - Bravo!  Iverson   Sep-14-03 04:45 AM   #161 
  - postcard to the asylum  Iverson   Sep-14-03 04:43 AM   #160 
  - your unity is a straight-jacket  Terwilliger   Sep-14-03 06:08 AM   #162 
  - LOL!  ulysses   Sep-13-03 08:24 PM   #154 
  - Maybe the Greens and the Progressive Dems should merge to form a  Dover   Sep-13-03 01:09 PM   #146 
  - I'd be there...  gully   Sep-13-03 01:13 PM   #148 
  - Greens are as much the enemy as are Republicans  Gman   Sep-13-03 08:18 PM   #153 
  - the wide-ranging "us"  Terwilliger   Sep-14-03 06:15 AM   #165 
  - "Us" means Democrats. Greens are the enemy of Democrats  Gman   Sep-14-03 10:55 AM   #184 
     - NO MIDDLE GROUND! WITH US OR AGAINST US!!!  Terwilliger   Sep-14-03 02:06 PM   #195 
     - many greens are supporting democrats  noiretblu   Sep-14-03 02:06 PM   #196 
        - yes  Terwilliger   Sep-14-03 02:25 PM   #203 
           - Uhm, I like Kucinich, and would not only vote for but support him with  gully   Sep-14-03 02:36 PM   #210 
           - by jove...i think you've got it!!!  noiretblu   Sep-14-03 02:46 PM   #213 
              - I've "always" had it...  gully   Sep-14-03 02:51 PM   #217 
                 - that reply was for terwilliger...but i agree with you  noiretblu   Sep-14-03 08:29 PM   #239 
                    - Here here...!!! N/T  gully   Sep-14-03 09:28 PM   #250 
  - If you isn't with us, you agin' us.  Iverson   Sep-14-03 07:45 AM   #173 
  - one answer  ulysses   Sep-13-03 08:38 PM   #156 
  - Neither the Greens or the Republicans are the enemy...  Q   Sep-14-03 10:01 AM   #176 
     - Interesting thought, thanks!  gully   Sep-14-03 11:12 AM   #187 
     - one step at a time  Terwilliger   Sep-14-03 02:50 PM   #215 
     - Greens ARE the ENEMY  Gman   Sep-14-03 09:02 PM   #241 
        - you're high.  ulysses   Sep-14-03 09:04 PM   #243 
  - i just noticed your sig line  buddhamama   Sep-14-03 10:44 AM   #181 
  - Dennis Kucinich.  gully   Sep-14-03 10:54 AM   #183 
  - Greens are the opposition  buddhamama   Sep-14-03 11:01 AM   #186 
  - Your right.  gully   Sep-14-03 11:29 AM   #188 
     - Why dont you focus on what's wrong with the Democratic party  Terwilliger   Sep-14-03 01:58 PM   #190 
     - Why don't Greens focus on the Green Party, instead of bitching about Dems?  gully   Sep-14-03 02:17 PM   #197 
        - gully, you have no superiority here  Terwilliger   Sep-14-03 02:23 PM   #202 
           - Then you haven't read your own posts in this thread...  gully   Sep-14-03 03:05 PM   #219 
              - have you read the boards  buddhamama   Sep-14-03 03:09 PM   #220 
              - Of course I've read the boards...  gully   Sep-14-03 03:21 PM   #223 
                 - wait a minute  buddhamama   Sep-14-03 03:24 PM   #226 
                    - Check his posts with in this thread and many others...  gully   Sep-14-03 03:26 PM   #228 
                    - reread his post and mine  buddhamama   Sep-14-03 03:31 PM   #231 
                    - Clarification...  gully   Sep-14-03 03:30 PM   #230 
                       - again, if he is not a green  buddhamama   Sep-14-03 03:34 PM   #232 
                          - Well if he's not a Green then I'm not a Democrat. N/T  gully   Sep-14-03 03:35 PM   #233 
              - the rules for Election 2004?  Terwilliger   Sep-14-03 03:22 PM   #225 
                 - aw, this will be a dull place with out you....  gully   Sep-14-03 03:27 PM   #229 
     - let me ask you something  buddhamama   Sep-14-03 02:28 PM   #206 
        - I have a right to be critical of Democrats as I am one...  gully   Sep-14-03 02:43 PM   #212 
           - of course  buddhamama   Sep-14-03 02:49 PM   #214 
              - I care more about issues also...  gully   Sep-14-03 02:55 PM   #218 
  - Ok, I read the WHOOOOLE thread before deciding to reply.  diamondsoul   Sep-14-03 09:07 PM   #245 
  - I'd like to remind people that Terwilliger posted reference to the site  gully   Sep-14-03 09:25 PM   #248 
  - Sorry, Gully, I didn't mean to dump it all on your head that way.  diamondsoul   Sep-15-03 12:19 AM   #253 
  - Thanks for that Diamondsoul. As someone who is working with both  patrice   Sep-15-03 12:09 AM   #252 
  - Visions of Karl Rove LAUGING maniacally while reading this thread  Dr Fate   Sep-14-03 09:20 PM   #247 
     - Much like he laughed when he paid for Naders television commercials...?  gully   Sep-14-03 09:26 PM   #249 
 

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