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fryguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 11:49 AM
Response to Reply #5
13. not advocating
the message on the bumper sticker doesn't seem to "advocate killing Muslims" more than it is an ignorant comment by an insensitive individual. i'm not saying the message isn't offensive, especially for muslims, but the test for protection under the first amendment isn't what offends people, it is - in part - what would incite or cause civil disobedience to the listener, and this falls way short of it. but then what do i know, my "uninformed" opinion is only based on three years of law school and being an attorney....

and by the way, threatening the president, regardless of party, is a felony, so it is clearly not protected speech.
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  -A Distrubing Bumper Sticker OETKB  Mar-14-05 11:24 AM   #0 
  - This is appaling!  Amfortas   Mar-14-05 11:29 AM   #1 
  - I've seen stickers, bumper stickers, t-shirts just like this for  Nickster   Mar-14-05 11:29 AM   #2 
  - U.S. Marines: Travel Agents Sending Jews to Jehovah  Ravenseye   Mar-14-05 11:53 AM   #15 
     - No that wouldn't be a hate crime either.  Nickster   Mar-14-05 12:06 PM   #23 
     - Equally poor taste, but no hate crime.  alwynsw   Mar-14-05 12:14 PM   #31 
     - by that logic  fryguy   Mar-14-05 02:25 PM   #60 
  - bad message but not a hate crime  fryguy   Mar-14-05 11:30 AM   #3 
  - I Wonder  OETKB   Mar-14-05 11:35 AM   #5 
  - The sticker is essentially bashing religion, IMO  alwynsw   Mar-14-05 11:39 AM   #8 
  - I Don't Think So  OETKB   Mar-14-05 11:41 AM   #9 
  - Hot button issues.  alwynsw   Mar-14-05 11:57 AM   #19 
  - bush* and his main stream media are whoooping up hate for muslims  diamond14   Mar-14-05 03:03 PM   #65 
  - We don't advocate their murder  Ravenseye   Mar-14-05 11:53 AM   #16 
  - I don't see this as advocating murder.  alwynsw   Mar-14-05 12:03 PM   #21 
  - neither does the bumpersticker - n/t  fryguy   Mar-14-05 12:24 PM   #37 
  - One religion bashing another. And I'm sick of it.  HypnoToad   Mar-14-05 11:59 AM   #20 
  - but it's not federal crime for him to threaten the lives of others?  ashmanonar   Mar-14-05 01:12 PM   #43 
     - It's generally covered under the heading of National Security.  alwynsw   Mar-14-05 02:05 PM   #53 
     - Article II, Section 2  fryguy   Mar-14-05 02:23 PM   #59 
        - oh, i know it's explicit.  ashmanonar   Mar-14-05 02:52 PM   #64 
  - not advocating  fryguy   Mar-14-05 11:49 AM   #13 
     - it incites civil disobedience  Ravenseye   Mar-14-05 11:55 AM   #18 
        - how is it inciting?  fryguy   Mar-14-05 12:08 PM   #25 
        - Kudos! You said it better!  alwynsw   Mar-14-05 12:10 PM   #27 
        - thank you, sir  fryguy   Mar-14-05 12:11 PM   #28 
           - Let's go Chip and Dale on this.  alwynsw   Mar-14-05 12:13 PM   #30 
              - after you, sir  fryguy   Mar-14-05 12:15 PM   #32 
                 - No. After you!  alwynsw   Mar-14-05 12:17 PM   #34 
                    - work place productivity is diminshing at an alarming rate....  fryguy   Mar-14-05 12:23 PM   #36 
                       - Who cares?  alwynsw   Mar-14-05 01:55 PM   #49 
        - marines 'kicking ass' = marines KILLING people....that's what marines do  diamond14   Mar-14-05 03:25 PM   #70 
        - um...when did i say/imply any of that?  fryguy   Mar-14-05 03:42 PM   #71 
        - Okay...how do you think that message should be interpreted?...  Media_Lies_Daily   Mar-14-05 04:21 PM   #75 
        - Actually, no.  alwynsw   Mar-14-05 12:09 PM   #26 
  - Eventually, he will need to park that car somewhere. eom  IanDB1   Mar-14-05 11:37 AM   #7 
  - runner up bumpersticker  NJCher   Mar-14-05 11:31 AM   #4 
  - Appears to be another version of the better known  alwynsw   Mar-14-05 11:36 AM   #6 
  - that is sick....  Stop_the_War   Mar-14-05 11:44 AM   #10 
  - I think it crosses the line, and is a hate crime.  katinmn   Mar-14-05 11:45 AM   #11 
  - I would think the Marines would have an interest  BurtWorm   Mar-14-05 11:49 AM   #12 
  - Is there a web address?  OETKB   Mar-14-05 11:50 AM   #14 
  - Try their public affairs office. Link inside  BurtWorm   Mar-14-05 11:55 AM   #17 
  - They'd probably get the correct answer from the Marines.  alwynsw   Mar-14-05 12:12 PM   #29 
     - I agree with what you've said elsewhere in the thread  petronius   Mar-14-05 12:58 PM   #42 
        - If the Globe and Anchor or other U.S. Marine logo is used  alwynsw   Mar-14-05 02:00 PM   #52 
        - I'm not aware that the USMC's logo is copyrighted  fryguy   Mar-14-05 02:15 PM   #58 
  - Just plain & simple appalling sticker, so sorry  GetTheRightVote   Mar-14-05 12:03 PM   #22 
  - It's disgusting, but no it's not a hate crime. It's free speech.  GOPBasher   Mar-14-05 12:08 PM   #24 
  - sorry if this comes across as being overly pedantic  fryguy   Mar-14-05 12:20 PM   #35 
  - Yeah, that's what I meant. n/t  GOPBasher   Mar-14-05 12:35 PM   #39 
  - Whoa there! Are you saying it is ok to say things like:  katinmn   Mar-14-05 01:54 PM   #47 
     - how do you interpret my post as suggesting that?  fryguy   Mar-14-05 02:09 PM   #56 
     - In your opinion, what is the bumper sticker saying?  katinmn   Mar-14-05 02:37 PM   #61 
        - see post #25  fryguy   Mar-14-05 02:40 PM   #62 
        - Think a minute.  alwynsw   Mar-14-05 02:49 PM   #63 
        - Just because it's done, doesn't mean it's right  katinmn   Mar-14-05 03:15 PM   #67 
           - I never condoned it. Re-read my post.  alwynsw   Mar-14-05 05:45 PM   #80 
        - That's the problem....  rinsd   Mar-14-05 04:17 PM   #74 
     - I got no problem with it. Really.  alwynsw   Mar-14-05 02:10 PM   #57 
  - Yes, there are laws against hateful speech that spur violent acts  katinmn   Mar-14-05 01:45 PM   #45 
     - That's IF they encourage violent acts. Yes, you're right. But we should  GOPBasher   Mar-14-05 01:56 PM   #50 
        - Agreed. I won't part with my * bashing bumper stickers  katinmn   Mar-14-05 01:59 PM   #51 
           - Exactly! n/t  GOPBasher   Mar-14-05 02:08 PM   #54 
  - Gone to the barber.  alwynsw   Mar-14-05 12:16 PM   #33 
  - It's Rwanda style hate speech and advocating death  riverwalker   Mar-14-05 12:29 PM   #38 
  - Just mentally translate it into its true meaning  Warpy   Mar-14-05 12:36 PM   #40 
  - Ding Ding Ding Ding, we have another WINNER!  Nickster   Mar-14-05 01:54 PM   #48 
  - I went back home recently, outside an AF Base...  lies and propaganda   Mar-14-05 12:48 PM   #41 
  - so what you should do is make a good vector drawing of  ashmanonar   Mar-14-05 01:17 PM   #44 
  - "Boycott Jane Fonda - American Traitor Bitch" bumper sticker  kwassa   Mar-14-05 01:50 PM   #46 
  - while really sick, my husband(ret col) would defend the right to say it.  caligirl   Mar-14-05 02:08 PM   #55 
  - Saying it in private is a good bit different than displaying the same...  Media_Lies_Daily   Mar-14-05 04:24 PM   #77 
  - "Hate Crimes" have a specific, but secret, definition.  Taxloss   Mar-14-05 03:04 PM   #66 
  - That's it in a nutshell.  katinmn   Mar-14-05 03:17 PM   #68 
     - Thank you. nt  Taxloss   Mar-14-05 03:25 PM   #69 
  - These stickers are a public service  yankeedem   Mar-14-05 04:06 PM   #72 
  - Thanks for pointing out the silver lining. :-)  katinmn   Mar-14-05 04:23 PM   #76 
  - It's free speech - as appalling as it is  donheld   Mar-14-05 04:13 PM   #73 
  - Us Anarco-Syndicalists believe that the government should  ArkDem   Mar-14-05 04:54 PM   #78 
  - Ah...now we see the violence that's inherent in the system!  fryguy   Mar-14-05 05:36 PM   #79 
     - Oh, what a give-away. Did you hear that?  ArkDem   Mar-15-05 08:22 AM   #82 
  - nothing new  onenote   Mar-14-05 06:37 PM   #81 
 

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