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64. The World Needs The US To Lose This War
Why we must lose this war

by Jack Lessenberry

02/09/05 "Metro Times" - - Gwynne Dyer isnt exactly a wimp. Not many guys from Newfoundland are. Born during World War II, he has been fascinated by things military all his life, and has served in three navies ours, Canadas and Great Britains. He has university degrees from all three countries too, and a Ph.D. in military and Middle Eastern history. During the 1980s, he produced and narrated the best documentary series about the nature of war that Ive ever seen.

And heres what he says about what we are doing:

The United States needs to lose the war in Iraq as soon as possible. Even more urgently, the whole world needs the United States to lose the war in Iraq. What is at stake now is the way we run the world for the next generation or more, and really bad things will happen if we get it wrong.

Those are the opening lines of his latest and perhaps most important book, Future Tense: The Coming World Order (paperback, McClelland and Stewart, $12.95). If you plan on reading only one book this year, make this the one. In perfectly clear prose, with arguments as well-researched as they are compelling, this military expert explains why what were doing is mad.

He explains how we havent grasped that the world has changed, that we arent living in our old superpower world anymore, one in which were the leader of the forces of light against the evil dark powers of communism. Nor are we, in fact, even a military superpower in the way we like to think we are; in reality, our military machine can only be used against very weak countries. As he notes, War with a serious opponent would lead to a level of American casualties that the U.S. public would not tolerate for long.

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  -The Left Shouldn't Uncritically Support the Iraq Resistance AmericanErrorist  Mar-04-05 01:48 PM   #0 
  - I don't think ANY of us do!  benburch   Mar-04-05 01:52 PM   #1 
  - Not to sound like a Rush moron, but.........DITTO. n/t  Guy Whitey Corngood   Mar-04-05 01:55 PM   #2 
  - Dangerous assumptions  ewagner   Mar-04-05 01:59 PM   #3 
  - Who does...?  cyclezealot   Mar-04-05 02:02 PM   #4 
  - No one supports the insurgents.  JDPriestly   Mar-04-05 02:13 PM   #5 
  - I thought Michael Moore said they were like  2diagnosis   Mar-05-05 10:14 PM   #68 
     - If he said that, he is wrong.  JDPriestly   Mar-05-05 10:40 PM   #71 
  - I don't care what side you're on -- for me, anti-war means you  NCevilDUer   Mar-04-05 02:20 PM   #6 
  - The left shouldn't support the resistance at all. Saddam was a  applegrove   Mar-04-05 02:22 PM   #7 
  - Your post  uhhuh   Mar-05-05 01:37 AM   #25 
  - Oh yes - at the point of a gun is not a liberal thing. But encouraging  applegrove   Mar-05-05 07:11 PM   #55 
  - How very PNAC of you! Maher's excuse too: "they lied, but it was for  robbedvoter   Mar-05-05 03:25 PM   #35 
     - Like that bird. I still see it as Cheney, Rumsfield & Bush family  applegrove   Mar-05-05 07:24 PM   #56 
     - I remember that debate - Wes Clark kicked the shit outta  Clark2008   Mar-05-05 09:48 PM   #65 
  - I don't "uncritically" support either side.  Jokerman   Mar-04-05 02:32 PM   #8 
  - When we fought the British, were we called terrorists?  B Calm   Mar-04-05 04:16 PM   #16 
  - And those who are blowing up Iraqi civilians?  liberalpragmatist   Mar-04-05 04:22 PM   #18 
  - And Americans attacked and killed every collaborator during war, too.  LynnTheDem   Mar-04-05 10:08 PM   #23 
     - Were the 120 killed 2 days ago all "collaborators"?  liberalpragmatist   Mar-05-05 01:24 AM   #24 
        - I don't know if they were all collaborators.  LynnTheDem   Mar-05-05 09:38 AM   #26 
  - As a matter of fact, we were.  benburch   Mar-05-05 02:50 PM   #27 
  - I'm with you Jokerman  Djinn   Mar-05-05 09:59 PM   #66 
  - As far as I know, nobody does.  UdoKier   Mar-04-05 02:46 PM   #9 
  - What Nonsense  Me.   Mar-04-05 02:52 PM   #10 
  - Wow, I shouldn't support terrorists?  SeveneightyWhoa   Mar-04-05 03:02 PM   #11 
  - Fine line between "terrorist" and "patriot."  FlemingsGhost   Mar-04-05 03:11 PM   #12 
     - Don't get me wrong.  SeveneightyWhoa   Mar-04-05 03:28 PM   #13 
        - Some Iraqi Groups Against Occupation Are Right-Wingers  Itsthetruth   Mar-04-05 03:39 PM   #14 
           - Re: Some Iraqi Groups Against Occupation Are Right-Wingers  michael098762001   Mar-05-05 03:59 PM   #44 
  - Blowing up civilians  Frederik   Mar-04-05 04:05 PM   #15 
  - Just What Revisions Need...The Left Lost Iraq  KharmaTrain   Mar-04-05 04:16 PM   #17 
  - Not Correct.  Itsthetruth   Mar-04-05 09:27 PM   #20 
  - Semantic Games  KharmaTrain   Mar-04-05 09:47 PM   #21 
  - Re: "Just What Revisions Need...The Left Lost Iraq"  michael098762001   Mar-05-05 03:33 PM   #39 
  - Sorry KharmaTrain but that's not true  Djinn   Mar-05-05 10:10 PM   #67 
  - This wouldn't be an issue if chimp hadn't helped himself to Iraq  The_Casual_Observer   Mar-04-05 04:46 PM   #19 
  - And all the liberals on this thread; if America were invaded and occupied  LynnTheDem   Mar-04-05 10:04 PM   #22 
  - I don't argue with that, HOWEVER...  benburch   Mar-05-05 02:57 PM   #29 
  - If the American people  Spinoza   Mar-05-05 04:02 PM   #46 
     - Oh dear...someone's been swallowing the koolaid and not paying attention  LynnTheDem   Mar-05-05 05:53 PM   #52 
     - Mass Graves  Spinoza   Mar-05-05 06:58 PM   #53 
     - Mass graves = bullshit.  LynnTheDem   Mar-05-05 09:23 PM   #61 
        - I NEVER SAID I WAS IN FAVOR OF INVASION.  Spinoza   Mar-06-05 04:32 PM   #78 
        - Mass Garaves=BS  michael098762001   Mar-06-05 06:04 PM   #81 
        - Re:Mass Graves=BS  michael098762001   Mar-06-05 06:12 PM   #82 
        - You too obviously didn't hear Blair admitting ONLY 5000 remains  LynnTheDem   Mar-06-05 06:18 PM   #84 
        - You should study.  LynnTheDem   Mar-06-05 06:21 PM   #86 
        - I don't read rightwingnut blogs.  LynnTheDem   Mar-06-05 06:38 PM   #89 
        - Re: Mass graves = bullshit.  michael098762001   Mar-06-05 06:16 PM   #83 
        - HRW is never wrong...except about those incubator babies...and the number  LynnTheDem   Mar-06-05 06:24 PM   #87 
        - "Iraqi Mass Graves" In Perspective  LynnTheDem   Mar-06-05 07:23 PM   #92 
        - Re: Re: Mass graves = bullshit.  michael098762001   Mar-06-05 06:21 PM   #85 
           - FACT: Tony Blair has admitted there have only been some  LynnTheDem   Mar-06-05 06:32 PM   #88 
           - US admits to using CHEMICAL WEAPONS IN IRAQ in 2003.  LynnTheDem   Mar-06-05 06:59 PM   #90 
           - Saddam's 'Mass Graves': The Third Big Bush Lie?  LynnTheDem   Mar-06-05 07:13 PM   #91 
     - Mass Graves  Spinoza   Mar-05-05 06:58 PM   #54 
        - Because obviously you have not been paying attention  LynnTheDem   Mar-05-05 09:31 PM   #62 
           - I NEVER SAID I WAS IN FAVOR OF INVASION  Spinoza   Mar-06-05 04:34 PM   #79 
     - "no realistic chance of getting rid of Saddam without outside invasion?"  Redstone   Mar-05-05 11:41 PM   #74 
  - The Right shouldn't unilaterally support dictators like Saddam  ComerPerro   Mar-05-05 02:52 PM   #28 
  - Zero argument there!  benburch   Mar-05-05 03:01 PM   #31 
  - I don't remember "uncritically supporting the insurgents"  Gonnabuymeagun   Mar-05-05 02:59 PM   #30 
  - Re:"The Left Shouldn't Uncritically Support the Iraq Resistance"  michael098762001   Mar-05-05 03:03 PM   #32 
  - I'd like to take a look at this....  BL611   Mar-05-05 03:40 PM   #41 
     - Re: "I'd like to take a look at this...."  michael098762001   Mar-05-05 03:54 PM   #43 
        - Uh oh...  BL611   Mar-05-05 04:02 PM   #45 
           - Re: "Uh oh..."  michael098762001   Mar-05-05 04:23 PM   #49 
           - Re: Re:Uh oh...  michael098762001   Mar-05-05 04:28 PM   #50 
              - Yes the big 3 that represent too hot, too cold, just right  BL611   Mar-06-05 02:50 PM   #75 
  - Re: Re:"The Left Shouldn't Uncritically Support the Iraq Resistance"  michael098762001   Mar-05-05 03:12 PM   #33 
  - Iraq's Eclipsed Red Star?:Do you know the left from the right in Iraq? Ev  michael098762001   Mar-05-05 03:14 PM   #34 
  - DU has a 4-paragraph copyright rule.  Padraig18   Mar-05-05 03:30 PM   #37 
     - I hate it when people post that much rules or not!  benburch   Mar-05-05 03:33 PM   #38 
        - Re: "I hate it when people post that much rules or not!"  michael098762001   Mar-05-05 03:37 PM   #40 
           - No problem!  benburch   Mar-05-05 05:42 PM   #51 
  - "When did you stop beating your wife?" The title of this article is just  robbedvoter   Mar-05-05 03:28 PM   #36 
  - '80's Left on FMLN & FSLN (Was," Re:The Left Shouldn't Uncritically...")  michael098762001   Mar-05-05 03:46 PM   #42 
  - There are many on the left who don't support them  quinnox   Mar-05-05 04:09 PM   #47 
  - Re: The Left Shouldn't Uncritically Support the Iraq Resistance  michael098762001   Mar-05-05 04:15 PM   #48 
  - It. Is. Their. Fucking. Country.  Redstone   Mar-05-05 07:53 PM   #57 
  - thank you.  KG   Mar-05-05 07:57 PM   #58 
  - You're welcome.  Redstone   Mar-05-05 09:00 PM   #59 
     - no flames from this leftist.  KG   Mar-05-05 09:05 PM   #60 
     - no flames from me either Redstone  Djinn   Mar-05-05 10:19 PM   #69 
  - Another THANK YOU.  LynnTheDem   Mar-05-05 09:37 PM   #63 
  - The World Needs The US To Lose This War  chlamor   Mar-05-05 09:45 PM   #64 
  - Wow...frame the debate much  Malikshah   Mar-05-05 10:21 PM   #70 
  - Um, any self-respecting leftist wouldn't support the insurgency  Arkana   Mar-05-05 10:53 PM   #72 
  - So it was only the right who supported the insurgency when it was  LynnTheDem   Mar-05-05 11:02 PM   #73 
  - Hello? Calling AmericanErrorist!! Where are you? Question for you...  Misunderestimator   Mar-06-05 02:56 PM   #76 
  - I wondered about that, too  Sapphire Blue   Mar-06-05 05:07 PM   #80 
  - As true as the law of Gravity  clem_c_rock   Mar-06-05 04:16 PM   #77 
  - Don't you mean "insurgencies?"  eridani   Mar-06-05 08:02 PM   #93 
  - Support is such a funny old word  Vladimir   Mar-07-05 05:09 AM   #94 
 

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