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Response to Reply #43
47. she's not "pro choice" and i was asking for clarification on that.
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  -Dean--"We are going to embrace pro-life Democrats" skjpm  Mar-02-05 09:21 AM   #0 
  - I apparently missed  liberalnurse   Mar-02-05 09:23 AM   #1 
  - He said it in Jackson, Mississippi, to an overflow cheering crowd  Straight Shooter   Mar-02-05 09:28 AM   #5 
     - No they are anti-choice  iconoclastNYC   Mar-02-05 11:06 AM   #69 
        - the war on contraception will almost certainly follow  fishwax   Mar-02-05 05:01 PM   #149 
  - I think we are entitled to our beliefs on this matter.  Just Me   Mar-02-05 09:23 AM   #2 
  - Exactly. Once again: choice IS the big-tent  JerseygirlCT   Mar-02-05 09:28 AM   #4 
  - well said JerseyGirlCT!  ultraist   Mar-02-05 12:26 PM   #119 
  - Exactly: "Don't like abortions ... work for positive change"  fishwax   Mar-02-05 05:06 PM   #150 
  - Pro-life doesn't mean outlawing abortion  skjpm   Mar-02-05 09:28 AM   #6 
  - How do you feel about dead-beat moms?  Tandalayo_Scheisskopf   Mar-02-05 09:32 AM   #8 
  - ,...just replace deadbeat dads with deadbeat absent parents,...  Just Me   Mar-02-05 09:34 AM   #14 
  - Well, I did social work as well.  Tandalayo_Scheisskopf   Mar-02-05 10:06 AM   #40 
     - My personal experience was that the system was moving away from that.  Just Me   Mar-02-05 10:50 AM   #62 
     - "There must be some mistake. Men OWE child support..."  BiggJawn   Mar-02-05 11:20 AM   #84 
     - I hear ya.. I'm the stepmother to girls with a deadbeat Mom. n/t  progressivebydesign   Mar-02-05 12:01 PM   #109 
     - I find, BiggJawn, that there is still too much  Bouncy Ball   Mar-02-05 12:51 PM   #130 
     - Not true. Absent parents, whether male or female, owe child support.  Just Me   Mar-02-05 12:55 PM   #133 
        - I don't dispute who owes or not....  BiggJawn   Mar-02-05 04:24 PM   #147 
     - Clinton's Responsible Fatherhood Initiative has provisions for poor dads  ultraist   Mar-02-05 12:37 PM   #122 
     - Well, by all means, blame the WOMEN for the situation you describe  Eloriel   Mar-02-05 01:45 PM   #140 
        - Are you talking to me?  Tandalayo_Scheisskopf   Mar-02-05 02:24 PM   #142 
  - Read the stats and read Clinton's Responsible FATHERHOOOD inititiative  ultraist   Mar-02-05 12:30 PM   #121 
  - As a pro-choicer, I totally agree with your pro-life approach.  Just Me   Mar-02-05 09:32 AM   #9 
  - Strangely, your position is very close to mine  Ellen Forradalom   Mar-02-05 09:34 AM   #13 
  - Your view appears too  liberalnurse   Mar-02-05 09:37 AM   #18 
  - how do you all decide an abortion is unnecessary? who decides?  bettyellen   Mar-02-05 09:53 AM   #33 
  - If all right-to-lifers dedicated themselves to making abortion unnecessary  BurtWorm   Mar-02-05 10:00 AM   #36 
     - but this poster is against choice. and that's a big "if".  bettyellen   Mar-02-05 10:02 AM   #39 
        - I think he or she is making clear that they're not in favor of outlawing  BurtWorm   Mar-02-05 10:22 AM   #52 
           - nope, she has admitted she wouldn't oppose more restrictions ........  bettyellen   Mar-02-05 05:53 PM   #160 
  - We need to redefine the sides  Siyahamba   Mar-02-05 11:51 AM   #103 
     - You are absolutely correct  me b zola   Mar-02-05 12:52 PM   #131 
        - I think most of us here feel that way  Siyahamba   Mar-02-05 01:55 PM   #141 
  - as long as you are comfortable with the Dem party being pro choice  bettyellen   Mar-02-05 09:37 AM   #20 
  - We can also be progressive pro-Life  skjpm   Mar-02-05 09:46 AM   #26 
     - no, if you are not pro-choice, then you are working against a large part  bettyellen   Mar-02-05 09:49 AM   #30 
     - Giving power to a GOP wedge issue.  Sophree   Mar-02-05 07:28 PM   #170 
     - Actually, you ARE pro-choice AND pro-child....  Darkhawk32   Mar-02-05 10:08 AM   #43 
     - she's not "pro choice" and i was asking for clarification on that.  bettyellen   Mar-02-05 10:12 AM   #47 
        - Sorry, she's not pro-Life, she's pro-CHOICE(not wanting govt intervention)  Darkhawk32   Mar-02-05 11:42 AM   #99 
           - that's not what she says down thread......almost fooled me, too.  bettyellen   Mar-02-05 06:09 PM   #163 
     - How's that fence feel? Becoming an ass-hatchet yet?  BiggJawn   Mar-02-05 11:29 AM   #90 
  - I agree, Just Me  sybylla   Mar-02-05 09:46 AM   #25 
  - Well-stated. I no more want to shove abortion on others than I want others  Just Me   Mar-02-05 11:02 AM   #66 
  - And who better than Dr Dean to do it? n/t  NCevilDUer   Mar-02-05 11:36 AM   #94 
  - that's how i feel- who is defining unnecesary here? this smells of  bettyellen   Mar-02-05 10:07 AM   #42 
     - Maybe you should get your "smellers" checked *LOL*.  Just Me   Mar-02-05 11:04 AM   #68 
     - Making abortions 'unnecessary' is not about abortions --  NCevilDUer   Mar-02-05 11:43 AM   #101 
  - One Difference between Pro-Life Democrats and Republicans  ribofunk   Mar-02-05 09:27 AM   #3 
  - Ones opinion and belief is to remain private.  liberalnurse   Mar-02-05 09:30 AM   #7 
  - exactly ...i worry about the term you used "abortion not needed" who  bettyellen   Mar-02-05 09:47 AM   #27 
  - The term "pro-life" is such propaganda. Another dean sellout  billbuckhead   Mar-02-05 09:37 AM   #19 
     - If you consider smashing GOPpie propaganda a sell out  sybylla   Mar-02-05 09:57 AM   #34 
     - Yawn, your Dean bashing got stale about 3 years ago...  RetroLounge   Mar-02-05 12:42 PM   #124 
  - This is an interesting topic.  H2O Man   Mar-02-05 09:32 AM   #10 
  - I respect your opinion.  bleedingheart   Mar-02-05 09:33 AM   #11 
  - I have no problem with  mmonk   Mar-02-05 09:33 AM   #12 
  - We have outlawed murder- and it hasn't stopped murders-  GreatScott   Mar-02-05 09:39 AM   #22 
     - The prohibition of murder has NO negative effects.  iconoclastNYC   Mar-02-05 11:12 AM   #76 
     - Did prohibition work?  mmonk   Mar-02-05 05:24 PM   #152 
  - I have no problem working with pro-life democrats  LynneSin   Mar-02-05 09:35 AM   #15 
  - Sanity!!!! Thy name is LynneSin---  pacoyogi   Mar-02-05 10:30 AM   #53 
  - BINGO!  Walt Starr   Mar-02-05 11:18 AM   #83 
  - That's exactly where I am...  jab105   Mar-02-05 12:18 PM   #116 
     - Hi I'm Envoronmental_Wakko  environmental_wakko   Mar-02-05 12:22 PM   #118 
  - It's about "choice"  kentuck   Mar-02-05 09:36 AM   #16 
  - I think it's important to address the concerns of pro-life Dems  Ellen Forradalom   Mar-02-05 09:36 AM   #17 
  - and Dean has also said that abortion is a decision best made between a  Larkspur   Mar-02-05 09:39 AM   #21 
  - Between a woman and her doctor?  ultraist   Mar-02-05 12:45 PM   #125 
  - pro-life should mean pro-sex education including birth control education  eShirl   Mar-02-05 09:41 AM   #23 
  - I agree.  skjpm   Mar-02-05 09:47 AM   #29 
  - i think that's great, but the OP is not pro-choice. if they want to fight  bettyellen   Mar-02-05 09:51 AM   #31 
  - If you are not pro-life are you then pro-death?? The term is Pro-Choice.  spanone   Mar-02-05 09:43 AM   #24 
  - she said she's not pro choice..instead of illegal she says unneccesary....  bettyellen   Mar-02-05 09:57 AM   #35 
  - Dr Dean is  sonoradesertdem   Mar-02-05 09:47 AM   #28 
  - Speak away....  JNelson6563   Mar-02-05 09:53 AM   #32 
  - Great post, Julie~ Ya  zidzi   Mar-02-05 05:49 PM   #158 
  - you are against choice, correct? you are not very clear on your  bettyellen   Mar-02-05 10:01 AM   #37 
  - You are against life, correct?  skjpm   Mar-02-05 10:07 AM   #41 
     - as long as you clearly are not fighting a woman's right to choose  bettyellen   Mar-02-05 10:11 AM   #44 
     - Like Daschle and Reid, I would have to look at each proposal  skjpm   Mar-02-05 10:18 AM   #49 
        - Breathtaking arrogance  Mandate My Ass   Mar-02-05 10:20 AM   #50 
           - There might be a proposal you'd agree with, too  skjpm   Mar-02-05 10:40 AM   #57 
              - An open mind means staying out of others' private lives  Mandate My Ass   Mar-02-05 10:44 AM   #58 
                 - that's exactly how i feel, the "compromise" is to great to those of us  bettyellen   Mar-02-05 05:57 PM   #161 
     - The best possible programs are part of the dem platform already  Mandate My Ass   Mar-02-05 10:11 AM   #45 
     - You have to be realistic and honest though  cags   Mar-02-05 11:24 AM   #88 
  - the field gets more narrow and narrow every day  Malva Zebrina   Mar-02-05 10:01 AM   #38 
  - As well we should.  Illinois_Dem   Mar-02-05 10:12 AM   #46 
  - This is LONG over due and necessary for us to win elections. Good for Dean  Quixote1818   Mar-02-05 10:13 AM   #48 
  - Is Dean becoming Republican-lite or just plain old Hillary-lite?  oasis   Mar-02-05 10:20 AM   #51 
  - Actually Dean's position on abortion is in line with main feminist theory  Larkspur   Mar-02-05 10:33 AM   #54 
  - Dean embarks on a sensible approach to the issue. (eom)  oasis   Mar-02-05 10:49 AM   #61 
  - Dean is a genius...  Jeff in Cincinnati   Mar-02-05 10:38 AM   #55 
     - To take on Rove and the corporate media you have to be a genius.  oasis   Mar-02-05 11:07 AM   #71 
        - cowering in the corner didn't work...  Jeff in Cincinnati   Mar-02-05 11:13 AM   #79 
           - We'll lose a few Dems who fail to see the big picture but that will be a  oasis   Mar-02-05 11:34 AM   #92 
              - I don't get the whole gun control issue...  Jeff in Cincinnati   Mar-02-05 01:18 PM   #137 
                 - I have no problem with handguns when owners use/store them in  oasis   Mar-02-05 05:44 PM   #156 
                    - Agreed  Jeff in Cincinnati   Mar-03-05 06:40 AM   #176 
  - Here is his powerful statement from Cornell......outstanding.  madfloridian   Mar-02-05 10:39 AM   #56 
  - "We"??? Not me.  LTRS   Mar-02-05 10:45 AM   #59 
  - Then you're a GOP enabler  FightinNewDem   Mar-02-05 10:55 AM   #64 
  - It's called having principles  LTRS   Mar-02-05 11:07 AM   #70 
     - "DINO"???  FightinNewDem   Mar-02-05 11:12 AM   #77 
        - Good for them - I am still not EVER voting for an anti-choice  LTRS   Mar-02-05 11:21 AM   #86 
        - Oh, here we go  FightinNewDem   Mar-02-05 11:38 AM   #96 
        - That's an idiotic argument.  in_cog_ni_to   Mar-02-05 11:43 AM   #100 
        - You're certainly entitled to an opinion  LTRS   Mar-02-05 01:01 PM   #134 
        - I also would NEVER vote for an Anti Choice candidate  ultraist   Mar-02-05 12:50 PM   #128 
        - Are they Anti-Choice?  in_cog_ni_to   Mar-02-05 11:21 AM   #87 
        - luckily this particular poster is in Washington State,  justy387   Mar-02-05 05:27 PM   #153 
  - You're not a GOP enabler! I agree with you.  in_cog_ni_to   Mar-02-05 11:03 AM   #67 
     - Answer this question...  FightinNewDem   Mar-02-05 11:07 AM   #72 
        - No, you're a pro choice person who will NOT compromise  LTRS   Mar-02-05 11:11 AM   #74 
        - I'm as far from a "DINO" as you can get. Can't you tell?  in_cog_ni_to   Mar-02-05 11:15 AM   #80 
           - Deleted message  Name removed   Mar-02-05 11:29 AM   #91 
              - Deleted message  Name removed   Mar-02-05 11:38 AM   #97 
                 - Allright, NOW you are pissing me off!  FightinNewDem   Mar-02-05 11:44 AM   #102 
                    - I'm pissing you off? Why? Truth hurts?  in_cog_ni_to   Mar-02-05 12:01 PM   #108 
                    - Deleted message  Name removed   Mar-02-05 12:06 PM   #110 
                       - I'm probably old enough to be your mother and you obviously have no clue  in_cog_ni_to   Mar-02-05 12:15 PM   #115 
                    - Well you definitely have that sanctimonious, inside the  LTRS   Mar-02-05 08:46 PM   #173 
  - How do we, as a party that is pro-choice, do that?  in_cog_ni_to   Mar-02-05 10:49 AM   #60 
  - Pro-life isn't neccessarily anti-choice.  Padraig18   Mar-02-05 10:55 AM   #63 
  - I TRUST you, Paddy.  in_cog_ni_to   Mar-02-05 11:12 AM   #75 
  - Fair enough.  Padraig18   Mar-02-05 11:13 AM   #78 
  - In Political Terms... You're Pro-Choice.  arwalden   Mar-02-05 12:13 PM   #114 
     - Oh, I agree, Allen.  Padraig18   Mar-02-05 12:20 PM   #117 
        - I'm still confused.  Toucano   Mar-02-05 05:42 PM   #155 
  - Take a page from the other side's book.  FightinNewDem   Mar-02-05 11:00 AM   #65 
     - I don't know the men you speak of. Langevin? Casey, Jr.?  in_cog_ni_to   Mar-02-05 11:10 AM   #73 
     - FYI  FightinNewDem   Mar-02-05 11:20 AM   #85 
     - Well heck, why stop there?  LTRS   Mar-02-05 11:16 AM   #82 
        - Huh???  FightinNewDem   Mar-02-05 11:34 AM   #93 
        - Why not put up a REAL LIBERAL DEMOCRAT to go against Santorum?  in_cog_ni_to   Mar-02-05 11:39 AM   #98 
           - Because...  FightinNewDem   Mar-02-05 11:57 AM   #106 
              - Peripheral issues like choice and equality???  LTRS   Mar-02-05 01:17 PM   #136 
        - When Democrats define themselves solely by what's between their legs  no name no slogan   Mar-02-05 01:40 PM   #139 
  - Per your post #6 " Pro-life doesn't mean outlawing abortion"  nothingshocksmeanymore   Mar-02-05 11:16 AM   #81 
  - Actually that is not  H2O Man   Mar-02-05 11:25 AM   #89 
     - Tumors have their own unique DNA. The manner in which the fact was used  nothingshocksmeanymore   Mar-02-05 11:36 AM   #95 
        - Seeing unborn children as individuals in their own right. . .  skjpm   Mar-02-05 11:51 AM   #104 
           - But if you advocated for social programs to protect the ones that are  nothingshocksmeanymore   Mar-02-05 11:54 AM   #105 
              - Again  H2O Man   Mar-02-05 12:00 PM   #107 
                 - With all due respect, I took no leaps. Have you not read that entire  nothingshocksmeanymore   Mar-02-05 12:11 PM   #111 
                    - I have read the whole thread.  H2O Man   Mar-02-05 01:11 PM   #135 
                    - In spirit, I agree with much of your post. In practice, direct it to the  nothingshocksmeanymore   Mar-02-05 01:22 PM   #138 
                    - thank you for saying that, this is also about limiting choice, and as  bettyellen   Mar-02-05 06:07 PM   #162 
  - This is an excellent move for us as a party.  secular_warrior   Mar-02-05 12:11 PM   #112 
  - There are no pro-life democrats  CornField   Mar-02-05 12:11 PM   #113 
  - Now who's trying to hijack the terminology?  Padraig18   Mar-02-05 12:28 PM   #120 
     - I'm sorry, Paddy, but you are pro-choice  CornField   Mar-02-05 12:41 PM   #123 
     - Does this explanation make sense?  Padraig18   Mar-02-05 12:51 PM   #129 
        - Of course it does  CornField   Mar-02-05 02:28 PM   #143 
           - Whew!  Padraig18   Mar-02-05 02:32 PM   #144 
     - and you shouldn't be pigeonholed, because you are exactly what the OP  bettyellen   Mar-02-05 06:23 PM   #169 
  - I hate the term pro-life. It's so loaded.  redqueen   Mar-02-05 12:47 PM   #126 
  - I doubt the Democratic party would go around telling people  Bouncy Ball   Mar-02-05 12:50 PM   #127 
  - Dems should DUMP the term "Pro life"  ultraist   Mar-02-05 12:55 PM   #132 
  - If the repugs would stop trying to outlaw contraception and  MadisonProgressive   Mar-02-05 02:50 PM   #145 
  - Legal, safe and rare - great simple framing  trudyco   Mar-02-05 03:36 PM   #146 
  - Good post!  Padraig18   Mar-02-05 04:37 PM   #148 
  - but the original poster is not opposed to putting further limits.....  bettyellen   Mar-02-05 06:16 PM   #167 
     - I've read through it, and I didn't get the same take you did.  Cuban_Liberal   Mar-02-05 07:33 PM   #172 
        - not outlawing, but limiting it, and would not answer any specific questions  bettyellen   Mar-02-05 09:49 PM   #174 
  - I see nothing wrong in having a debate...  Q   Mar-02-05 05:15 PM   #151 
  - I am actively working to reduce the number of abortions  skjpm   Mar-02-05 05:34 PM   #154 
  - and if it isn't "rare"?  Malva Zebrina   Mar-02-05 05:45 PM   #157 
  - It's high time we did, Dr.! Good move!  Cuban_Liberal   Mar-02-05 05:52 PM   #159 
  - We already embrace pro-life Democrats.  porphyrian   Mar-02-05 06:11 PM   #164 
  - We need to make that clear.  Cuban_Liberal   Mar-02-05 06:13 PM   #165 
     - That's what happens when you let the other party define you.  porphyrian   Mar-02-05 06:16 PM   #166 
        - Oh, I do believe in him.  Cuban_Liberal   Mar-02-05 06:19 PM   #168 
  - If it makes you feel any better, I respect your belief.  tasteblind   Mar-02-05 07:30 PM   #171 
  - I am pro-life  quaker bill   Mar-02-05 10:01 PM   #175 
  - Quaker Bill... you hit the nail right between the eyes...  Darkhawk32   Mar-03-05 08:24 AM   #177 
     - I think it goes well beyond adoption  quaker bill   Mar-04-05 05:45 AM   #178 
  - Waaa  fujiyama   Mar-04-05 06:27 AM   #179 
 

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