| 35. she said she's not pro choice..instead of illegal she says unneccesary.... |
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not even- "safe and rare".
so i believe she wants an abortion ban, or some sort of additional limits.
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| -Dean--"We are going to embrace pro-life Democrats" |
skjpm |
Mar-02-05 09:21 AM |
#0 |
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I apparently missed |
liberalnurse |
Mar-02-05 09:23 AM |
#1 |
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He said it in Jackson, Mississippi, to an overflow cheering crowd |
Straight Shooter |
Mar-02-05 09:28 AM |
#5 |
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No they are anti-choice |
iconoclastNYC |
Mar-02-05 11:06 AM |
#69 |
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the war on contraception will almost certainly follow |
fishwax |
Mar-02-05 05:01 PM |
#149 |
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I think we are entitled to our beliefs on this matter. |
Just Me |
Mar-02-05 09:23 AM |
#2 |
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Exactly. Once again: choice IS the big-tent |
JerseygirlCT |
Mar-02-05 09:28 AM |
#4 |
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well said JerseyGirlCT! |
ultraist |
Mar-02-05 12:26 PM |
#119 |
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Exactly: "Don't like abortions ... work for positive change" |
fishwax |
Mar-02-05 05:06 PM |
#150 |
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Pro-life doesn't mean outlawing abortion |
skjpm |
Mar-02-05 09:28 AM |
#6 |
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How do you feel about dead-beat moms? |
Tandalayo_Scheisskopf |
Mar-02-05 09:32 AM |
#8 |
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,...just replace deadbeat dads with deadbeat absent parents,... |
Just Me |
Mar-02-05 09:34 AM |
#14 |
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Well, I did social work as well. |
Tandalayo_Scheisskopf |
Mar-02-05 10:06 AM |
#40 |
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My personal experience was that the system was moving away from that. |
Just Me |
Mar-02-05 10:50 AM |
#62 |
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"There must be some mistake. Men OWE child support..." |
BiggJawn |
Mar-02-05 11:20 AM |
#84 |
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I hear ya.. I'm the stepmother to girls with a deadbeat Mom. n/t |
progressivebydesign |
Mar-02-05 12:01 PM |
#109 |
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I find, BiggJawn, that there is still too much |
Bouncy Ball |
Mar-02-05 12:51 PM |
#130 |
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Not true. Absent parents, whether male or female, owe child support. |
Just Me |
Mar-02-05 12:55 PM |
#133 |
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I don't dispute who owes or not.... |
BiggJawn |
Mar-02-05 04:24 PM |
#147 |
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Clinton's Responsible Fatherhood Initiative has provisions for poor dads |
ultraist |
Mar-02-05 12:37 PM |
#122 |
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Well, by all means, blame the WOMEN for the situation you describe |
Eloriel |
Mar-02-05 01:45 PM |
#140 |
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Are you talking to me? |
Tandalayo_Scheisskopf |
Mar-02-05 02:24 PM |
#142 |
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Read the stats and read Clinton's Responsible FATHERHOOOD inititiative |
ultraist |
Mar-02-05 12:30 PM |
#121 |
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As a pro-choicer, I totally agree with your pro-life approach. |
Just Me |
Mar-02-05 09:32 AM |
#9 |
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Strangely, your position is very close to mine |
Ellen Forradalom |
Mar-02-05 09:34 AM |
#13 |
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Your view appears too |
liberalnurse |
Mar-02-05 09:37 AM |
#18 |
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how do you all decide an abortion is unnecessary? who decides? |
bettyellen |
Mar-02-05 09:53 AM |
#33 |
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If all right-to-lifers dedicated themselves to making abortion unnecessary |
BurtWorm |
Mar-02-05 10:00 AM |
#36 |
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but this poster is against choice. and that's a big "if". |
bettyellen |
Mar-02-05 10:02 AM |
#39 |
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I think he or she is making clear that they're not in favor of outlawing |
BurtWorm |
Mar-02-05 10:22 AM |
#52 |
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nope, she has admitted she wouldn't oppose more restrictions ........ |
bettyellen |
Mar-02-05 05:53 PM |
#160 |
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We need to redefine the sides |
Siyahamba |
Mar-02-05 11:51 AM |
#103 |
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You are absolutely correct |
me b zola |
Mar-02-05 12:52 PM |
#131 |
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I think most of us here feel that way |
Siyahamba |
Mar-02-05 01:55 PM |
#141 |
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as long as you are comfortable with the Dem party being pro choice |
bettyellen |
Mar-02-05 09:37 AM |
#20 |
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We can also be progressive pro-Life |
skjpm |
Mar-02-05 09:46 AM |
#26 |
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no, if you are not pro-choice, then you are working against a large part |
bettyellen |
Mar-02-05 09:49 AM |
#30 |
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Giving power to a GOP wedge issue. |
Sophree |
Mar-02-05 07:28 PM |
#170 |
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Actually, you ARE pro-choice AND pro-child.... |
Darkhawk32 |
Mar-02-05 10:08 AM |
#43 |
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she's not "pro choice" and i was asking for clarification on that. |
bettyellen |
Mar-02-05 10:12 AM |
#47 |
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Sorry, she's not pro-Life, she's pro-CHOICE(not wanting govt intervention) |
Darkhawk32 |
Mar-02-05 11:42 AM |
#99 |
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that's not what she says down thread......almost fooled me, too. |
bettyellen |
Mar-02-05 06:09 PM |
#163 |
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How's that fence feel? Becoming an ass-hatchet yet? |
BiggJawn |
Mar-02-05 11:29 AM |
#90 |
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I agree, Just Me |
sybylla |
Mar-02-05 09:46 AM |
#25 |
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Well-stated. I no more want to shove abortion on others than I want others |
Just Me |
Mar-02-05 11:02 AM |
#66 |
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And who better than Dr Dean to do it? n/t |
NCevilDUer |
Mar-02-05 11:36 AM |
#94 |
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that's how i feel- who is defining unnecesary here? this smells of |
bettyellen |
Mar-02-05 10:07 AM |
#42 |
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Maybe you should get your "smellers" checked *LOL*. |
Just Me |
Mar-02-05 11:04 AM |
#68 |
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Making abortions 'unnecessary' is not about abortions -- |
NCevilDUer |
Mar-02-05 11:43 AM |
#101 |
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One Difference between Pro-Life Democrats and Republicans |
ribofunk |
Mar-02-05 09:27 AM |
#3 |
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Ones opinion and belief is to remain private. |
liberalnurse |
Mar-02-05 09:30 AM |
#7 |
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exactly ...i worry about the term you used "abortion not needed" who |
bettyellen |
Mar-02-05 09:47 AM |
#27 |
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The term "pro-life" is such propaganda. Another dean sellout |
billbuckhead |
Mar-02-05 09:37 AM |
#19 |
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If you consider smashing GOPpie propaganda a sell out |
sybylla |
Mar-02-05 09:57 AM |
#34 |
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Yawn, your Dean bashing got stale about 3 years ago... |
RetroLounge |
Mar-02-05 12:42 PM |
#124 |
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This is an interesting topic. |
H2O Man |
Mar-02-05 09:32 AM |
#10 |
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I respect your opinion. |
bleedingheart |
Mar-02-05 09:33 AM |
#11 |
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I have no problem with |
mmonk |
Mar-02-05 09:33 AM |
#12 |
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We have outlawed murder- and it hasn't stopped murders- |
GreatScott |
Mar-02-05 09:39 AM |
#22 |
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The prohibition of murder has NO negative effects. |
iconoclastNYC |
Mar-02-05 11:12 AM |
#76 |
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Did prohibition work? |
mmonk |
Mar-02-05 05:24 PM |
#152 |
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I have no problem working with pro-life democrats |
LynneSin |
Mar-02-05 09:35 AM |
#15 |
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Sanity!!!! Thy name is LynneSin--- |
pacoyogi |
Mar-02-05 10:30 AM |
#53 |
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BINGO! |
Walt Starr |
Mar-02-05 11:18 AM |
#83 |
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That's exactly where I am... |
jab105 |
Mar-02-05 12:18 PM |
#116 |
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Hi I'm Envoronmental_Wakko |
environmental_wakko |
Mar-02-05 12:22 PM |
#118 |
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It's about "choice" |
kentuck |
Mar-02-05 09:36 AM |
#16 |
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I think it's important to address the concerns of pro-life Dems |
Ellen Forradalom |
Mar-02-05 09:36 AM |
#17 |
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and Dean has also said that abortion is a decision best made between a |
Larkspur |
Mar-02-05 09:39 AM |
#21 |
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Between a woman and her doctor? |
ultraist |
Mar-02-05 12:45 PM |
#125 |
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pro-life should mean pro-sex education including birth control education |
eShirl |
Mar-02-05 09:41 AM |
#23 |
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I agree. |
skjpm |
Mar-02-05 09:47 AM |
#29 |
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i think that's great, but the OP is not pro-choice. if they want to fight |
bettyellen |
Mar-02-05 09:51 AM |
#31 |
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If you are not pro-life are you then pro-death?? The term is Pro-Choice. |
spanone |
Mar-02-05 09:43 AM |
#24 |
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she said she's not pro choice..instead of illegal she says unneccesary.... |
bettyellen |
Mar-02-05 09:57 AM |
#35 |
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Dr Dean is |
sonoradesertdem |
Mar-02-05 09:47 AM |
#28 |
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Speak away.... |
JNelson6563 |
Mar-02-05 09:53 AM |
#32 |
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Great post, Julie~ Ya |
zidzi |
Mar-02-05 05:49 PM |
#158 |
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you are against choice, correct? you are not very clear on your |
bettyellen |
Mar-02-05 10:01 AM |
#37 |
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You are against life, correct? |
skjpm |
Mar-02-05 10:07 AM |
#41 |
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as long as you clearly are not fighting a woman's right to choose |
bettyellen |
Mar-02-05 10:11 AM |
#44 |
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Like Daschle and Reid, I would have to look at each proposal |
skjpm |
Mar-02-05 10:18 AM |
#49 |
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Breathtaking arrogance |
Mandate My Ass |
Mar-02-05 10:20 AM |
#50 |
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There might be a proposal you'd agree with, too |
skjpm |
Mar-02-05 10:40 AM |
#57 |
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An open mind means staying out of others' private lives |
Mandate My Ass |
Mar-02-05 10:44 AM |
#58 |
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that's exactly how i feel, the "compromise" is to great to those of us |
bettyellen |
Mar-02-05 05:57 PM |
#161 |
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The best possible programs are part of the dem platform already |
Mandate My Ass |
Mar-02-05 10:11 AM |
#45 |
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You have to be realistic and honest though |
cags |
Mar-02-05 11:24 AM |
#88 |
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the field gets more narrow and narrow every day |
Malva Zebrina |
Mar-02-05 10:01 AM |
#38 |
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As well we should. |
Illinois_Dem |
Mar-02-05 10:12 AM |
#46 |
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This is LONG over due and necessary for us to win elections. Good for Dean |
Quixote1818 |
Mar-02-05 10:13 AM |
#48 |
| -
Is Dean becoming Republican-lite or just plain old Hillary-lite? |
oasis |
Mar-02-05 10:20 AM |
#51 |
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Actually Dean's position on abortion is in line with main feminist theory |
Larkspur |
Mar-02-05 10:33 AM |
#54 |
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Dean embarks on a sensible approach to the issue. (eom) |
oasis |
Mar-02-05 10:49 AM |
#61 |
| -
Dean is a genius... |
Jeff in Cincinnati |
Mar-02-05 10:38 AM |
#55 |
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To take on Rove and the corporate media you have to be a genius. |
oasis |
Mar-02-05 11:07 AM |
#71 |
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cowering in the corner didn't work... |
Jeff in Cincinnati |
Mar-02-05 11:13 AM |
#79 |
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We'll lose a few Dems who fail to see the big picture but that will be a |
oasis |
Mar-02-05 11:34 AM |
#92 |
| -
I don't get the whole gun control issue... |
Jeff in Cincinnati |
Mar-02-05 01:18 PM |
#137 |
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I have no problem with handguns when owners use/store them in |
oasis |
Mar-02-05 05:44 PM |
#156 |
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Agreed |
Jeff in Cincinnati |
Mar-03-05 06:40 AM |
#176 |
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Here is his powerful statement from Cornell......outstanding. |
madfloridian |
Mar-02-05 10:39 AM |
#56 |
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"We"??? Not me. |
LTRS |
Mar-02-05 10:45 AM |
#59 |
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Then you're a GOP enabler |
FightinNewDem |
Mar-02-05 10:55 AM |
#64 |
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It's called having principles |
LTRS |
Mar-02-05 11:07 AM |
#70 |
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"DINO"??? |
FightinNewDem |
Mar-02-05 11:12 AM |
#77 |
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Good for them - I am still not EVER voting for an anti-choice |
LTRS |
Mar-02-05 11:21 AM |
#86 |
| -
Oh, here we go |
FightinNewDem |
Mar-02-05 11:38 AM |
#96 |
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That's an idiotic argument. |
in_cog_ni_to |
Mar-02-05 11:43 AM |
#100 |
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You're certainly entitled to an opinion |
LTRS |
Mar-02-05 01:01 PM |
#134 |
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I also would NEVER vote for an Anti Choice candidate |
ultraist |
Mar-02-05 12:50 PM |
#128 |
| -
Are they Anti-Choice? |
in_cog_ni_to |
Mar-02-05 11:21 AM |
#87 |
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luckily this particular poster is in Washington State, |
justy387 |
Mar-02-05 05:27 PM |
#153 |
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You're not a GOP enabler! I agree with you. |
in_cog_ni_to |
Mar-02-05 11:03 AM |
#67 |
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Answer this question... |
FightinNewDem |
Mar-02-05 11:07 AM |
#72 |
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No, you're a pro choice person who will NOT compromise |
LTRS |
Mar-02-05 11:11 AM |
#74 |
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I'm as far from a "DINO" as you can get. Can't you tell? |
in_cog_ni_to |
Mar-02-05 11:15 AM |
#80 |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Mar-02-05 11:29 AM |
#91 |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Mar-02-05 11:38 AM |
#97 |
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Allright, NOW you are pissing me off! |
FightinNewDem |
Mar-02-05 11:44 AM |
#102 |
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I'm pissing you off? Why? Truth hurts? |
in_cog_ni_to |
Mar-02-05 12:01 PM |
#108 |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Mar-02-05 12:06 PM |
#110 |
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I'm probably old enough to be your mother and you obviously have no clue |
in_cog_ni_to |
Mar-02-05 12:15 PM |
#115 |
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Well you definitely have that sanctimonious, inside the |
LTRS |
Mar-02-05 08:46 PM |
#173 |
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How do we, as a party that is pro-choice, do that? |
in_cog_ni_to |
Mar-02-05 10:49 AM |
#60 |
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Pro-life isn't neccessarily anti-choice. |
Padraig18 |
Mar-02-05 10:55 AM |
#63 |
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I TRUST you, Paddy. |
in_cog_ni_to |
Mar-02-05 11:12 AM |
#75 |
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Fair enough. |
Padraig18 |
Mar-02-05 11:13 AM |
#78 |
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In Political Terms... You're Pro-Choice. |
arwalden |
Mar-02-05 12:13 PM |
#114 |
| -
Oh, I agree, Allen. |
Padraig18 |
Mar-02-05 12:20 PM |
#117 |
| -
I'm still confused. |
Toucano |
Mar-02-05 05:42 PM |
#155 |
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Take a page from the other side's book. |
FightinNewDem |
Mar-02-05 11:00 AM |
#65 |
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I don't know the men you speak of. Langevin? Casey, Jr.? |
in_cog_ni_to |
Mar-02-05 11:10 AM |
#73 |
| -
FYI |
FightinNewDem |
Mar-02-05 11:20 AM |
#85 |
| -
Well heck, why stop there? |
LTRS |
Mar-02-05 11:16 AM |
#82 |
| -
Huh??? |
FightinNewDem |
Mar-02-05 11:34 AM |
#93 |
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Why not put up a REAL LIBERAL DEMOCRAT to go against Santorum? |
in_cog_ni_to |
Mar-02-05 11:39 AM |
#98 |
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Because... |
FightinNewDem |
Mar-02-05 11:57 AM |
#106 |
| -
Peripheral issues like choice and equality??? |
LTRS |
Mar-02-05 01:17 PM |
#136 |
| -
When Democrats define themselves solely by what's between their legs |
no name no slogan |
Mar-02-05 01:40 PM |
#139 |
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Per your post #6 " Pro-life doesn't mean outlawing abortion" |
nothingshocksmeanymore |
Mar-02-05 11:16 AM |
#81 |
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Actually that is not |
H2O Man |
Mar-02-05 11:25 AM |
#89 |
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Tumors have their own unique DNA. The manner in which the fact was used |
nothingshocksmeanymore |
Mar-02-05 11:36 AM |
#95 |
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Seeing unborn children as individuals in their own right. . . |
skjpm |
Mar-02-05 11:51 AM |
#104 |
| -
But if you advocated for social programs to protect the ones that are |
nothingshocksmeanymore |
Mar-02-05 11:54 AM |
#105 |
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Again |
H2O Man |
Mar-02-05 12:00 PM |
#107 |
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With all due respect, I took no leaps. Have you not read that entire |
nothingshocksmeanymore |
Mar-02-05 12:11 PM |
#111 |
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I have read the whole thread. |
H2O Man |
Mar-02-05 01:11 PM |
#135 |
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In spirit, I agree with much of your post. In practice, direct it to the |
nothingshocksmeanymore |
Mar-02-05 01:22 PM |
#138 |
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thank you for saying that, this is also about limiting choice, and as |
bettyellen |
Mar-02-05 06:07 PM |
#162 |
| -
This is an excellent move for us as a party. |
secular_warrior |
Mar-02-05 12:11 PM |
#112 |
| -
There are no pro-life democrats |
CornField |
Mar-02-05 12:11 PM |
#113 |
| -
Now who's trying to hijack the terminology? |
Padraig18 |
Mar-02-05 12:28 PM |
#120 |
| -
I'm sorry, Paddy, but you are pro-choice |
CornField |
Mar-02-05 12:41 PM |
#123 |
| -
Does this explanation make sense? |
Padraig18 |
Mar-02-05 12:51 PM |
#129 |
| -
Of course it does |
CornField |
Mar-02-05 02:28 PM |
#143 |
| -
Whew! |
Padraig18 |
Mar-02-05 02:32 PM |
#144 |
| -
and you shouldn't be pigeonholed, because you are exactly what the OP |
bettyellen |
Mar-02-05 06:23 PM |
#169 |
| -
I hate the term pro-life. It's so loaded. |
redqueen |
Mar-02-05 12:47 PM |
#126 |
| -
I doubt the Democratic party would go around telling people |
Bouncy Ball |
Mar-02-05 12:50 PM |
#127 |
| -
Dems should DUMP the term "Pro life" |
ultraist |
Mar-02-05 12:55 PM |
#132 |
| -
If the repugs would stop trying to outlaw contraception and |
MadisonProgressive |
Mar-02-05 02:50 PM |
#145 |
| -
Legal, safe and rare - great simple framing |
trudyco |
Mar-02-05 03:36 PM |
#146 |
| -
Good post! |
Padraig18 |
Mar-02-05 04:37 PM |
#148 |
| -
but the original poster is not opposed to putting further limits..... |
bettyellen |
Mar-02-05 06:16 PM |
#167 |
| -
I've read through it, and I didn't get the same take you did. |
Cuban_Liberal |
Mar-02-05 07:33 PM |
#172 |
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not outlawing, but limiting it, and would not answer any specific questions |
bettyellen |
Mar-02-05 09:49 PM |
#174 |
| -
I see nothing wrong in having a debate... |
Q |
Mar-02-05 05:15 PM |
#151 |
| -
I am actively working to reduce the number of abortions |
skjpm |
Mar-02-05 05:34 PM |
#154 |
| -
and if it isn't "rare"? |
Malva Zebrina |
Mar-02-05 05:45 PM |
#157 |
| -
It's high time we did, Dr.! Good move! |
Cuban_Liberal |
Mar-02-05 05:52 PM |
#159 |
| -
We already embrace pro-life Democrats. |
porphyrian |
Mar-02-05 06:11 PM |
#164 |
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We need to make that clear. |
Cuban_Liberal |
Mar-02-05 06:13 PM |
#165 |
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That's what happens when you let the other party define you. |
porphyrian |
Mar-02-05 06:16 PM |
#166 |
| -
Oh, I do believe in him. |
Cuban_Liberal |
Mar-02-05 06:19 PM |
#168 |
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If it makes you feel any better, I respect your belief. |
tasteblind |
Mar-02-05 07:30 PM |
#171 |
| -
I am pro-life |
quaker bill |
Mar-02-05 10:01 PM |
#175 |
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Quaker Bill... you hit the nail right between the eyes... |
Darkhawk32 |
Mar-03-05 08:24 AM |
#177 |
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I think it goes well beyond adoption |
quaker bill |
Mar-04-05 05:45 AM |
#178 |
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Waaa |
fujiyama |
Mar-04-05 06:27 AM |
#179 |
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