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F.Gordon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-27-05 01:18 PM
Response to Reply #117
125. And that too. Hadn't thought of that
Nice catch
:thumbsup:

I'll be the guy in the corner turning blue holding my breath, waiting for some Gannonist in Denver to report the fucking truth on this story.

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  -'Original' Churchill Art Piece Creates Controversy DearAbby  Feb-25-05 02:31 PM   #0 
  - Churchill's is an exact opposite of the original  Zuni   Feb-25-05 02:34 PM   #1 
  - Yeah I noticed that last night when this was first aired  DearAbby   Feb-25-05 02:36 PM   #4 
     - As I Said, He Needs To Be Put On Leave & Subject To Psych. Analysis  cryingshame   Feb-25-05 03:51 PM   #41 
        - Because he treads the radical edges of academia?  Hissyspit   Feb-27-05 08:03 AM   #118 
           - Again. It's called Appropriation. It's a legitimate postmodern strategy.  Hissyspit   Feb-27-05 08:05 AM   #119 
  - Oh Ward Churchill,  K-W   Feb-25-05 02:35 PM   #2 
  - He Documented His Stupidity  otohara   Feb-25-05 02:53 PM   #14 
  - When will the left realize that this guy is just scum??  Zynx   Feb-25-05 02:35 PM   #3 
  - I'm not defending him  Zuni   Feb-25-05 02:39 PM   #5 
  - Because even dumb people get free speech.  K-W   Feb-25-05 02:41 PM   #6 
  - Ward Churchill can say what he wants  Zuni   Feb-25-05 02:45 PM   #9 
  - That is a dishonest reading.  K-W   Feb-25-05 02:53 PM   #13 
  - No, he did say they deserved it  WillieWoohah   Feb-25-05 06:29 PM   #69 
  - so what's more offensive to you?  mark414   Feb-27-05 01:48 PM   #129 
  - I had backed his right of Free Speech...I do not back plagiarism  DearAbby   Feb-25-05 02:46 PM   #10 
     - Well certainly, but im not going to use this as an excuse  K-W   Feb-25-05 02:55 PM   #15 
        - I understand that...fact remains there are valid alligations to plagerism  DearAbby   Feb-25-05 03:00 PM   #17 
           - No it's not plagiarism  tishaLA   Feb-25-05 05:03 PM   #50 
              - Bad example  Zynx   Feb-25-05 05:41 PM   #53 
              - You also cannot take an original and MODIFY it and sell it  Eloriel   Feb-25-05 05:55 PM   #58 
              - Yep - that's called a dirivitive work  Zynx   Feb-25-05 05:57 PM   #59 
              - But it's neither a copy or a modification of the original  tishaLA   Feb-25-05 06:12 PM   #64 
                 - No, it's a flat out copy.  fat free goodness   Feb-25-05 06:53 PM   #80 
              - There are a multitude of examples  tishaLA   Feb-25-05 06:02 PM   #61 
              - plagiarism, copyright infringement, and fraud are different things.  fat free goodness   Feb-25-05 06:24 PM   #67 
                 - If you really want to pick nits,  tishaLA   Feb-25-05 06:42 PM   #78 
                    - Fucking beautiful!  2diagnosis   Feb-26-05 02:39 AM   #104 
  - He's a con man.....(nt)  rinsd   Feb-25-05 05:43 PM   #54 
  - He may be scum  TyeDye75   Feb-26-05 05:36 AM   #107 
  - Question: When does he actually TEACH?  elperromagico   Feb-25-05 02:43 PM   #7 
  - I dont understand your question.  K-W   Feb-25-05 02:45 PM   #8 
     - It was a facetious question.  elperromagico   Feb-25-05 02:48 PM   #12 
  - Oh, that one. Winston wasn't an original painter, either.  leveymg   Feb-25-05 02:48 PM   #11 
  - It's OK to copy paintings...  fat free goodness   Feb-25-05 03:48 PM   #40 
     - Since when was WC a Professor of Painting and Fine Arts?  leveymg   Feb-25-05 04:19 PM   #46 
     - Since he included it on his resume?  gottaB   Feb-25-05 05:13 PM   #52 
        - Are you researching the guy?  leveymg   Feb-26-05 05:32 AM   #106 
           - I've looked into Ward Churchill (online)  gottaB   Feb-26-05 08:15 AM   #110 
              - Your arguments are persuasive and well-taken. Nonetheless, I still  leveymg   Feb-26-05 03:27 PM   #111 
                 - on the contrary  gottaB   Feb-26-05 05:27 PM   #112 
                    - Unless and until he's convicted, there are no grounds to dismiss him  leveymg   Feb-27-05 06:58 AM   #116 
                       - Yes, "demonstrable professional incompetence" would appear not to apply  gottaB   Feb-27-05 11:54 PM   #131 
     - If he painted it, it is an original painting  tishaLA   Feb-25-05 05:08 PM   #51 
        - Dickens isn't covered by copyright law any more  Eloriel   Feb-25-05 06:00 PM   #60 
        - See my posts about other artists who use this as a device  tishaLA   Feb-25-05 06:20 PM   #66 
           - "within the boundaries"?  fat free goodness   Feb-25-05 06:35 PM   #74 
              - I've never made a juridical claim  tishaLA   Feb-25-05 06:46 PM   #79 
              - And what did Emerson say about immoral law...?  Hissyspit   Feb-27-05 08:17 AM   #120 
                 - Immoral law? Beyond the orginial intent? NOT!  fat free goodness   Feb-27-05 11:42 AM   #122 
                    - He said he had consent from the original artist...  not systems   Feb-27-05 11:47 AM   #123 
                       - Think hard before you write.  fat free goodness   Feb-28-05 08:19 AM   #132 
                          - I clearly stated:  Hissyspit   Feb-28-05 09:26 AM   #134 
                             - OK...... But -  fat free goodness   Feb-28-05 10:53 AM   #135 
        - "If he painted it, it is an original painting" - Not true.  fat free goodness   Feb-25-05 06:10 PM   #63 
  - Not surprising.  UdoKier   Feb-25-05 02:57 PM   #16 
  - I have not agreed with his assessment of 9/11...Just his right to say it.  DearAbby   Feb-25-05 03:01 PM   #19 
  - He has the right to say it and the university has the right to fire him  Zynx   Feb-25-05 03:20 PM   #30 
     - lol, wrong on two counts  K-W   Feb-25-05 03:24 PM   #33 
     - Employers have to be able to regulate their employees.  Zynx   Feb-25-05 03:29 PM   #35 
        - Free speech means free to speak, not  K-W   Feb-25-05 03:36 PM   #39 
           - This may surprise you, but people can be fired for just about any reason--  Zynx   Feb-25-05 05:53 PM   #57 
     - That concept is mitigated by the concept of academic freedom  Hissyspit   Feb-27-05 08:28 AM   #121 
  - Nobody is arguing he should be a poster child.  K-W   Feb-25-05 03:05 PM   #22 
     - You Admit He's Whacked Yet Believe He Should Continue Teaching?  cryingshame   Feb-25-05 03:54 PM   #42 
     - There's nothing at all puzzling about it.  UdoKier   Feb-26-05 01:49 AM   #102 
  - Wow the local media is really going after the left.  izzybeans   Feb-25-05 03:01 PM   #18 
  - I agree this was a "witch-hunt" going after the left, but fact remains  DearAbby   Feb-25-05 03:04 PM   #20 
  - That was my point. in a round-a-bout way.  izzybeans   Feb-25-05 03:10 PM   # 
  - I'm a leftist. Please don't lump that clown in with me.  UdoKier   Feb-25-05 03:04 PM   #21 
  - Actually he is a leftist whether you like it or not.  K-W   Feb-25-05 03:08 PM   #23 
  - I can choose to associate myself with whom I like.  UdoKier   Feb-25-05 03:19 PM   #29 
  - But you dont choose who is on the left.  K-W   Feb-25-05 03:32 PM   #37 
  - He's NOT A Leftist. He's An Agitator Who Needs Attention. It Is Purely  cryingshame   Feb-25-05 03:56 PM   #43 
  - Sorry, don't mean to.  izzybeans   Feb-25-05 03:09 PM   #24 
     - But churchill is largely in agreement with most people on DU.  K-W   Feb-25-05 03:10 PM   #25 
     - I agree with his position on genocide.  izzybeans   Feb-25-05 03:12 PM   #27 
        - Understood  K-W   Feb-25-05 03:22 PM   #31 
           - I totally agree. My little impromptu fantasy rant was meant to convey  izzybeans   Feb-25-05 03:24 PM   #32 
     - Those at CU are investigating Churchill..If found guilty of this could  DearAbby   Feb-25-05 03:11 PM   #26 
        - They will have a hard time in civil court. How is this relevant to his  izzybeans   Feb-25-05 03:15 PM   #28 
        - Why do you think this will  fat free goodness   Feb-25-05 04:11 PM   #44 
        - no  Adenoid_Hynkel   Feb-25-05 07:46 PM   #91 
           - Except...  fat free goodness   Feb-26-05 08:01 AM   #108 
  - I think it's the same crowd that went after Clinton.  bloom   Feb-25-05 03:26 PM   #34 
     - I wonder if that is where the other 90ml went in PR funding  izzybeans   Feb-25-05 03:34 PM   #38 
     - I don't think so.  scottty   Feb-25-05 04:16 PM   #45 
        - What do you mean" he is selling artwork that he did not do"?  tishaLA   Feb-25-05 06:16 PM   #65 
        - Give me a break,  scottty   Feb-25-05 06:25 PM   #68 
           - I'm not seeing those colors and precise silhouettes  tishaLA   Feb-25-05 06:31 PM   #71 
              - LOL,  scottty   Feb-25-05 06:35 PM   #75 
        - Right-wing funding, etc.  bloom   Feb-25-05 08:37 PM   #99 
  - This story just gets crazier and crazier.  Fenris   Feb-25-05 03:30 PM   #36 
  - The RW is smiling...  Disturbed   Feb-25-05 04:24 PM   #47 
  - Looks like a remix...  not systems   Feb-25-05 04:25 PM   #48 
  - Big Deal? It's postmodernism  tishaLA   Feb-25-05 04:52 PM   #49 
  - The RW is Hell bent upon destroying Ward Churchill because...  Disturbed   Feb-25-05 05:46 PM   #55 
  - It is the exact same picture,  scottty   Feb-25-05 05:47 PM   #56 
     - Who cares?  tishaLA   Feb-25-05 06:07 PM   #62 
     - Once again,  scottty   Feb-25-05 06:33 PM   #72 
        - When did "rwinger" make art?  not systems   Feb-25-05 06:34 PM   #73 
        - Oh, so now your saying  scottty   Feb-25-05 06:39 PM   #76 
           - BS a original interpretation of another's art is legitimate art...  not systems   Feb-25-05 07:08 PM   #83 
              - After reading your justification, my thought is...  scottty   Feb-25-05 07:20 PM   #87 
        - I've seen the pics already  tishaLA   Feb-25-05 06:55 PM   #81 
           - You are right, IF  scottty   Feb-25-05 07:40 PM   #89 
              - I think you're having a different conversation  tishaLA   Feb-25-05 07:59 PM   #95 
                 - I am truelly sorry,  scottty   Feb-25-05 08:08 PM   #98 
                    - I understand how you might find it "wrong"  tishaLA   Feb-25-05 08:42 PM   #100 
                       - We can agree,  scottty   Feb-25-05 09:17 PM   #101 
                          - the debate happened decades ago without your participation, I'm afraid  thebigidea   Feb-26-05 02:43 AM   #105 
     - It is not the "exact" same picture...  not systems   Feb-25-05 06:30 PM   #70 
        - lol,  scottty   Feb-25-05 06:40 PM   #77 
           - LOL ... LOL ...  not systems   Feb-25-05 07:09 PM   #84 
              - HAHAHA  scottty   Feb-25-05 07:16 PM   #86 
  - Warhol got away with it  Adenoid_Hynkel   Feb-25-05 07:02 PM   #82 
  - Warhol got away with it  Adenoid_Hynkel   Feb-25-05 07:11 PM   #85 
  - Thought I would add the photos of the prints side by side you decide  DearAbby   Feb-25-05 07:37 PM   #88 
  - did churchill colorize it?  Adenoid_Hynkel   Feb-25-05 07:45 PM   #90 
     - Have to remember Colorado is predominately a red state  DearAbby   Feb-25-05 07:54 PM   #92 
        - I am an artist myself...this would sure bother me, someone taking one  DearAbby   Feb-25-05 07:56 PM   #93 
        - the aggressiveness of this reporter is unbelievable  Adenoid_Hynkel   Feb-25-05 07:58 PM   #94 
           - Oh I agree there...  DearAbby   Feb-25-05 08:02 PM   #96 
  - Exactly - Churchill did not "plagerize" it...  Must_B_Free   Feb-26-05 02:15 AM   #103 
  - Mails "plagiarized" most of his own work  F.Gordon   Feb-25-05 08:03 PM   #97 
  - Can you provide some proof as to this particular work?  Zynx   Feb-26-05 08:07 AM   #109 
     - No, I can't. But I don't need it to defend the "plagiarist"  F.Gordon   Feb-26-05 08:12 PM   #113 
        - If what you are saying is true, than this "ignorance" of the copyright law  DearAbby   Feb-26-05 08:21 PM   #114 
           - You should  F.Gordon   Feb-26-05 08:50 PM   #115 
  - It's called 'appropriation,' folks. It's a legitimate artistic approach  Hissyspit   Feb-27-05 07:58 AM   #117 
  - I can't believe DUers are falling for the RW media tricks.  DearAbby   Feb-27-05 12:26 PM   #124 
  - And that too. Hadn't thought of that  F.Gordon   Feb-27-05 01:18 PM   #125 
  - This is the biggest grabbing for straws to slander a man that Ive seen  shance   Feb-27-05 01:32 PM   #126 
  - On Democracy Now  ottozen   Feb-27-05 01:36 PM   #127 
  - Oh, stop trying to confuse everyone with the facts  deutsey   Feb-28-05 09:17 AM   #133 
  - And this, of course, is extremely relevant to his arguments. n/t  Darranar   Feb-27-05 01:37 PM   #128 
  - Self-Deleted  Hissyspit   Feb-27-05 07:53 PM   #130 
 

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