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99. What if Novak himself, thru Operation Mockingbird, is a CIA asset
non official cover, just as Plame ?
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  -Novak Named Names! - Jim Lehrer Newshour {ALSO COVERING GANNON} Stephanie  Feb-24-05 06:50 PM   #0 
  - Would he really do that?  Radical Activist   Feb-24-05 06:52 PM   #1 
  - Novak is into protecting sources until it's his ass, then he...  whistle   Feb-24-05 06:54 PM   #10 
  - Novak's not going to jail  Dookus   Feb-25-05 01:52 AM   #119 
  - Novak is a Republican. Of course he would name names.  TWiley   Feb-25-05 05:03 AM   #126 
  - Ignorance is No Excuse  wtmusic   Feb-24-05 06:53 PM   #2 
  - Yeah, what a moran...  Salviati   Feb-24-05 06:54 PM   #8 
  - Such BS... he knew exactly what he was doing. nt  SmokingJacket   Feb-24-05 07:37 PM   #56 
  - No, we cannot put a burning tire around his neck  Julian English   Feb-25-05 12:43 AM   #113 
  - ha! tell it to the judge!  xray s   Feb-24-05 06:53 PM   #3 
  - that's what every criminal says  MissWaverly   Feb-24-05 07:35 PM   #55 
  - THANK YOU!  elehhhhna   Feb-25-05 09:09 AM   #148 
  - Bullshit  in search of sanity   Feb-24-05 06:53 PM   #4 
  - bingo.....  cthrumatrix   Feb-24-05 06:54 PM   #6 
  - actually, in this particular case, ignorance that the person is an agent  Gabi Hayes   Feb-24-05 06:58 PM   #23 
     - How can you out someone as a CIA agent...  FiveGoodMen   Feb-24-05 07:03 PM   #28 
     - That's what I want to know  Generator   Feb-24-05 07:35 PM   #54 
     - You can out someone as a CIA agent, if you  igil   Feb-25-05 10:38 AM   #157 
        - Anyone who knows a covert agent knows they're a covert agent n/t  izzybeans   Feb-25-05 12:02 PM   #164 
           - In this case it's fuzzy (unless I'm just overlooking sarcasm).  igil   Feb-25-05 12:09 PM   #166 
              - I didn't mean to sound sarcastic.  izzybeans   Feb-25-05 12:52 PM   #167 
     - I agree - ignorance IS an excuse for this one law - but while legal case  papau   Feb-24-05 07:06 PM   #32 
     - BUT, the leaker is criminally liable.  tsuki   Feb-24-05 07:06 PM   #34 
     - I thought we were presuming that the leaker did know that  in search of sanity   Feb-24-05 07:08 PM   #36 
     - Then, why did s/he call Novak?  sfexpat2000   Feb-24-05 07:29 PM   #51 
     - agree with you  MissWaverly   Feb-24-05 07:40 PM   #58 
     - If the leaker didn't know she was an agent  Kber   Feb-25-05 08:35 AM   #141 
     - Here's the relevant portion of Novak's column:  Rebellious Republican   Feb-24-05 07:12 PM   #42 
        - To my understanding, the word "operative" has specific meaning  Straight Shooter   Feb-24-05 07:32 PM   #53 
           - Absolutely, here ya go..............  Rebellious Republican   Feb-24-05 08:31 PM   #82 
              - Thanks, Rebellious Republican, you're pulling the rug out from under Novak  Straight Shooter   Feb-24-05 11:34 PM   #109 
  - Who's the commentator?  slutticus   Feb-24-05 06:54 PM   #5 
  - Don't know his name - regular Newshour reporter -  Stephanie   Feb-24-05 06:56 PM   #18 
  - Terrence Smith  TomClash   Feb-25-05 08:18 AM   #137 
  - Holy Crap!  Goldeneye   Feb-24-05 06:54 PM   #7 
  - unless WWW III breaks out.................  cthrumatrix   Feb-24-05 06:54 PM   #9 
  - Breaking: US Invades Iran! (More after this commercial for Raytheon)  AZCat   Feb-24-05 06:55 PM   #15 
  - Today NPR had 1 hr on Gannon and 1hr on Miller/Cooper (Plame)  kohodog   Feb-24-05 07:41 PM   #60 
  - Thanks for that report on NPR's Day Coverage. I didn't think they would  KoKo01   Feb-25-05 12:57 AM   #114 
     - I heard most of the one hour show on Gannon, via Sirius  Gabi Hayes   Feb-25-05 03:44 AM   #121 
  - Colin Powel? Ashcroft? They're already gone, so I wonder .....  mzmolly   Feb-24-05 08:16 PM   #73 
  - Assuming that Wilson was right  H2O Man   Feb-24-05 08:22 PM   #78 
  - The little Dutch boy is finally being overwhelmed  AZCat   Feb-24-05 06:54 PM   #11 
  - Ignorance of the law is not a defense  paineinthearse   Feb-24-05 06:55 PM   #12 
  - Wasn't this law signed under Reagan?  aquart   Feb-24-05 07:26 PM   #49 
     - George H. W. Bush called those who leaked CIA ops...  Kansas Wyatt   Feb-24-05 09:34 PM   #95 
  - That's not spinning..that's trying to cover your ass with both hands  nothingshocksmeanymore   Feb-24-05 06:55 PM   #13 
  - WHAT PROGRAM? I'VE 4 PBS CHANNELS  sfexpat2000   Feb-24-05 06:55 PM   #14 
  - Jim Lehrer Newshour  Stephanie   Feb-24-05 06:57 PM   #19 
     - Thanks, Stepanie! It's on later out here in CA. Can't wait.  sfexpat2000   Feb-24-05 06:58 PM   #20 
  - Now throw in Gannon  Goldeneye   Feb-24-05 06:55 PM   #16 
  - Interesting idea  sfexpat2000   Feb-24-05 07:04 PM   #30 
  - Novak himself via Operation Mockingbird may be technically a  EVDebs   Feb-24-05 08:03 PM   #68 
     - If this is true, then he has no cover. He is criminally liable. My  tsuki   Feb-25-05 08:30 AM   #138 
        - Which is why pulling the Operation Mockingbird thread is so  EVDebs   Feb-25-05 08:51 AM   #143 
  - Ignorance of the law is no excuse  Skip Intro   Feb-24-05 06:56 PM   #17 
  - So, who is the 'she' Novak is referring to....Plame? It doesn't....  whistle   Feb-24-05 06:58 PM   #21 
  - If Novak really felt it was no crime  illflem   Feb-24-05 06:58 PM   #22 
  - Novak was actually drawn by Gahan Wilson.  Somawas   Feb-24-05 06:59 PM   #24 
  - ..."I'm sorry, Judge"  no_vote_no_count   Feb-24-05 06:59 PM   #25 
  - Tell it to the judge  DoYouEverWonder   Feb-24-05 07:01 PM   #26 
  - Ignorance of the fact that Plame was CIA, unfortunately, IS a  Gabi Hayes   Feb-24-05 07:01 PM   #27 
  - If the leaker didn't know she was an agent...  Salviati   Feb-24-05 07:06 PM   #33 
  - easy.....spread rumors....say you heard it from somebody else, but  Gabi Hayes   Feb-24-05 07:11 PM   #40 
     - Yes But When Vakula  Me.   Feb-24-05 09:25 PM   #92 
  - How can you leak something you don't know?  CindyDale   Feb-24-05 07:07 PM   #35 
  - you can throw out names, but the government has to prove, somehow,  Gabi Hayes   Feb-24-05 07:10 PM   #39 
     - And not just that he knew she was CIA,  MUSTANG_2004   Feb-24-05 07:14 PM   #44 
     - is it the undercover part, too? I'm not sure about that  Gabi Hayes   Feb-24-05 07:19 PM   #46 
        - Hi there Gabi, Novak named the front company she worked for.  autorank   Feb-24-05 07:40 PM   #59 
           - Treason's the only crime...  AZCat   Feb-24-05 07:43 PM   #63 
           - US Constitution  autorank   Feb-24-05 08:16 PM   #72 
              - I might need some help with that...  AZCat   Feb-24-05 08:20 PM   #76 
                 - No appologies needed (haha)  autorank   Feb-24-05 09:15 PM   #91 
                 - Ah - many thanks!  AZCat   Feb-24-05 10:06 PM   #98 
                 - Blood here means no punishment of the kids for the parent's sin.  TacticalPeek   Feb-24-05 10:39 PM   #102 
           - I absolutely love your thinking on this!  me b zola   Feb-24-05 09:32 PM   #94 
     - See post # 42 N/T  Rebellious Republican   Feb-24-05 07:18 PM   #45 
     - see post 47....btw I really HATE the way the law always seems  Gabi Hayes   Feb-24-05 07:25 PM   #48 
        - see post # 70, BTW, I served in the Navy, worked in the intell  Rebellious Republican   Feb-24-05 08:22 PM   #79 
     - Here is the actual law, as written:  girl gone mad   Feb-24-05 07:43 PM   #62 
     - You mean high placed officials can get away with anything,  rman   Feb-24-05 11:53 PM   #111 
  - Wasn't Plame's CIA status part of the leak?  rman   Feb-24-05 11:51 PM   #110 
  - "...but his wife, Valerie Plame, is an agency operative..."  fooj   Feb-25-05 01:19 AM   #115 
  - not ignorance, really, and it's on the part of the leaker, NOT leakee  Gabi Hayes   Feb-25-05 03:46 AM   #122 
  - Isn't that for a trial jury to decide?  yodermon   Feb-25-05 01:28 AM   #117 
  - good point, but I wonder why they're taking so long, if the ham sandwich  Gabi Hayes   Feb-25-05 03:48 AM   #123 
  - well despite the repeated discussion  Warren Stupidity   Feb-25-05 06:42 AM   #129 
  - It is a crime if he was ever an operative of the CIA.  tsuki   Feb-25-05 08:33 AM   #139 
  - "Sorry officer, I forgot marijuana was illegal." -Steve Martin-  politicaholic   Feb-24-05 07:03 PM   #29 
  - Not that, but if  MUSTANG_2004   Feb-24-05 07:12 PM   #43 
     - self deleted  seventythree   Feb-24-05 10:34 PM   #100 
  - Want to bet that Novak gave out a name the WH wanted out?  randr   Feb-24-05 07:05 PM   #31 
  - So does that mean Judith Miller won't go to jail?  girl gone mad   Feb-24-05 07:09 PM   #37 
  - Sociopathic ignorance of the law is no excuse  eleny   Feb-24-05 07:09 PM   #38 
  - Of Course They Knew  Me.   Feb-24-05 07:11 PM   #41 
  - I thought this was interesting  seventythree   Feb-24-05 10:38 PM   #101 
     - Exactly!  Me.   Feb-24-05 11:02 PM   #105 
        - Yep, there it is  Jose Diablo   Feb-25-05 09:55 AM   #154 
           - Wow - that's a great summary and I was unaware of the Halliburton sting  Stephanie   Feb-25-05 10:07 AM   #155 
           - Cheney, Halliburton, sales of Nukes to Pakistan  Jose Diablo   Feb-25-05 10:13 AM   #156 
           - And One Wonder What The Status Of The French Case  Me.   Feb-25-05 11:03 AM   #159 
  - ICK....I do it because I love....holding nose....Newsmax!  Gabi Hayes   Feb-24-05 07:22 PM   #47 
  - How Does Toensing Know  Me.   Feb-24-05 07:32 PM   #52 
  - And why would the CIA call for an investigation  TomClash   Feb-25-05 05:20 AM   #128 
     - Exactly!  Me.   Feb-25-05 11:07 AM   #160 
  - It hinges on whether...  girl gone mad   Feb-24-05 07:38 PM   #57 
  - If I remember correctly ....  H2O Man   Feb-24-05 08:02 PM   #67 
  - To claim that Floyd Abrams  TomClash   Feb-25-05 05:16 AM   #127 
  - remember, Toensing (lizard lady)  grasswire   Feb-24-05 08:09 PM   #69 
  - yep.....and I loathe the first two beyond imagining  Gabi Hayes   Feb-24-05 08:28 PM   #81 
     - I Bet You Saw Him On Hardball  Me.   Feb-24-05 09:30 PM   #93 
  - Get your reading glasses on......................  Rebellious Republican   Feb-24-05 08:09 PM   #70 
  - Pure and Simple! Beyond bad...  fooj   Feb-25-05 01:23 AM   #116 
  - valid points  seventythree   Feb-24-05 10:41 PM   #103 
  - What a load  sfexpat2000   Feb-24-05 07:26 PM   #50 
  - Another Day in Paradise .....  H2O Man   Feb-24-05 07:42 PM   #61 
  - Distorting the truth .....  H2O Man   Feb-24-05 07:53 PM   #65 
     - I have not seen much positive on Fitzgerald...  NewJeffCT   Feb-24-05 08:51 PM   #84 
  - Well, I for one can't wait to see how this turns out!!! nt  SmokingJacket   Feb-24-05 07:53 PM   #64 
  - Intelligence Identities Protection Act ... here's the law,,,see if it was  EVDebs   Feb-24-05 08:01 PM   #66 
  - Fitzgerald is experienced and wouldn't be pursuing this if it had no merit  kohodog   Feb-24-05 08:10 PM   #71 
     - Very true.  H2O Man   Feb-24-05 08:17 PM   #74 
  - kick  Obviousman   Feb-24-05 08:18 PM   #75 
  - Thanks for the link just listened to the report  MissWaverly   Feb-24-05 08:22 PM   #77 
  - The chances that the leak  H2O Man   Feb-24-05 08:26 PM   #80 
  - Regarding how long info is classified for, see post # 70 N/T  Rebellious Republican   Feb-24-05 08:37 PM   #83 
  - you have the key to the potential prosecution in this bit:  Gabi Hayes   Feb-24-05 08:55 PM   #85 
  - There are a few who care and as I said earlier,  kohodog   Feb-24-05 09:00 PM   #86 
  - Really?  H2O Man   Feb-24-05 09:09 PM   #89 
     - gone right after Novak immediately, of course.  Gabi Hayes   Feb-25-05 03:40 AM   #120 
        - Why would you assume  H2O Man   Feb-25-05 06:43 AM   #130 
  - What if Novak himself, thru Operation Mockingbird, is a CIA asset  EVDebs   Feb-24-05 10:09 PM   #99 
  - Here's what Novak wrote  TomClash   Feb-24-05 09:02 PM   #87 
  - Very good.  H2O Man   Feb-24-05 09:12 PM   #90 
  - Cheney would have the authorized access  seventythree   Feb-24-05 11:06 PM   #107 
  - Each journalist told  H2O Man   Feb-25-05 06:45 AM   #131 
  - I don't know  TomClash   Feb-25-05 04:56 AM   #125 
     - Two good questions.  H2O Man   Feb-25-05 06:52 AM   #132 
        - Common Knowledge and the March 8 Meeting  TomClash   Feb-25-05 08:02 AM   #134 
  - Now what happens at trial  Blue Wally   Feb-24-05 09:56 PM   #96 
  - good analysis  seventythree   Feb-24-05 10:56 PM   #104 
  - Question:  yodermon   Feb-25-05 01:46 AM   #118 
  - Same thing  TomClash   Feb-25-05 04:40 AM   #124 
  - IMO, the key thing is just finding out who this is! Even if no law was...  Roland99   Feb-25-05 08:59 AM   #145 
     - You can tell a lot  H2O Man   Feb-25-05 09:08 AM   #147 
  - Capital crime... no excuses!  Swamp Rat   Feb-24-05 09:08 PM   #88 
  - Novak is a fucking traitor. - n/t  porphyrian   Feb-24-05 09:57 PM   #97 
  - Video - News Hour reports on Journalists Prosecution, Novak, Gannon - 2/24  dzika   Feb-24-05 11:04 PM   #106 
  - thanks so much for the link  seventythree   Feb-24-05 11:23 PM   #108 
     - I think Plame has bee a broad all her life- barump bump. n/t  Al-CIAda   Feb-25-05 12:40 AM   #112 
  - This is as sickening as listening to Novak and watching his  0007   Feb-25-05 07:32 AM   #133 
  - I think the heart of the matter...  dryan   Feb-25-05 08:12 AM   #135 
  - Yes! I saw this last night. Great coverage, imo  Roland99   Feb-25-05 08:16 AM   #136 
  - Whaaaaat?  Prag   Feb-25-05 08:35 AM   #140 
  - Leaker's defense is that it was already common knowledge  wishlist   Feb-25-05 08:50 AM   #142 
  - Good point...  Prag   Feb-25-05 09:16 AM   #150 
  - I listened to the interview again  TomClash   Feb-25-05 08:54 AM   #144 
  - While I am usually  H2O Man   Feb-25-05 09:03 AM   #146 
     - Oh, don't get me wrong  TomClash   Feb-25-05 11:18 AM   #161 
     - H2O Man, you seem to be most on top of this story so let me ask you this,  fob   Feb-25-05 11:58 AM   #163 
        - In my opinion,  H2O Man   Feb-25-05 01:07 PM   #168 
           - AHA! Then outing Plame was the intent, discrediting Wilson was the  fob   Feb-25-05 01:15 PM   #171 
  - So why is the investigators pushing the other journalists to give names?  oc2002   Feb-25-05 09:15 AM   #149 
  - It is simple.  H2O Man   Feb-25-05 09:45 AM   #152 
  - .. eh? so your holding up a prosecution of one crime and jailing people?  oc2002   Feb-25-05 09:51 AM   #153 
     - The Journalists In Question  Me.   Feb-25-05 10:54 AM   #158 
     - Of course not.  H2O Man   Feb-25-05 01:09 PM   #169 
  - unless they went for a charge of treason  julialnyc   Feb-25-05 11:22 AM   #162 
  - Novack Named Names-Valerie Plame  JunkYardDogg   Feb-25-05 09:41 AM   #151 
  - If he named names why aren't we seeing the names anywhere?  izzybeans   Feb-25-05 12:05 PM   #165 
  - Grand juries  H2O Man   Feb-25-05 01:11 PM   #170 
  - Why the names aren't being published  Rob H.   Feb-25-05 01:37 PM   #172 
     - Thanks to both of you.  izzybeans   Feb-25-05 01:59 PM   #173 
  - Bury it on Friday night?  wryter2000   Feb-25-05 05:38 PM   #174 
 

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