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Thu Feb-24-05 10:09 PM
Response to Reply #77 |
| 99. What if Novak himself, thru Operation Mockingbird, is a CIA asset |
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non official cover, just as Plame ?
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| -Novak Named Names! - Jim Lehrer Newshour {ALSO COVERING GANNON} |
Stephanie |
Feb-24-05 06:50 PM |
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Would he really do that? |
Radical Activist |
Feb-24-05 06:52 PM |
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Novak is into protecting sources until it's his ass, then he... |
whistle |
Feb-24-05 06:54 PM |
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Novak's not going to jail |
Dookus |
Feb-25-05 01:52 AM |
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Novak is a Republican. Of course he would name names. |
TWiley |
Feb-25-05 05:03 AM |
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Ignorance is No Excuse |
wtmusic |
Feb-24-05 06:53 PM |
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Yeah, what a moran... |
Salviati |
Feb-24-05 06:54 PM |
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Such BS... he knew exactly what he was doing. nt |
SmokingJacket |
Feb-24-05 07:37 PM |
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No, we cannot put a burning tire around his neck |
Julian English |
Feb-25-05 12:43 AM |
#113 |
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ha! tell it to the judge! |
xray s |
Feb-24-05 06:53 PM |
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that's what every criminal says |
MissWaverly |
Feb-24-05 07:35 PM |
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THANK YOU! |
elehhhhna |
Feb-25-05 09:09 AM |
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Bullshit |
in search of sanity |
Feb-24-05 06:53 PM |
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bingo..... |
cthrumatrix |
Feb-24-05 06:54 PM |
#6 |
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actually, in this particular case, ignorance that the person is an agent |
Gabi Hayes |
Feb-24-05 06:58 PM |
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How can you out someone as a CIA agent... |
FiveGoodMen |
Feb-24-05 07:03 PM |
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That's what I want to know |
Generator |
Feb-24-05 07:35 PM |
#54 |
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You can out someone as a CIA agent, if you |
igil |
Feb-25-05 10:38 AM |
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Anyone who knows a covert agent knows they're a covert agent n/t |
izzybeans |
Feb-25-05 12:02 PM |
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In this case it's fuzzy (unless I'm just overlooking sarcasm). |
igil |
Feb-25-05 12:09 PM |
#166 |
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I didn't mean to sound sarcastic. |
izzybeans |
Feb-25-05 12:52 PM |
#167 |
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I agree - ignorance IS an excuse for this one law - but while legal case |
papau |
Feb-24-05 07:06 PM |
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BUT, the leaker is criminally liable. |
tsuki |
Feb-24-05 07:06 PM |
#34 |
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I thought we were presuming that the leaker did know that |
in search of sanity |
Feb-24-05 07:08 PM |
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Then, why did s/he call Novak? |
sfexpat2000 |
Feb-24-05 07:29 PM |
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agree with you |
MissWaverly |
Feb-24-05 07:40 PM |
#58 |
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If the leaker didn't know she was an agent |
Kber |
Feb-25-05 08:35 AM |
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Here's the relevant portion of Novak's column: |
Rebellious Republican |
Feb-24-05 07:12 PM |
#42 |
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To my understanding, the word "operative" has specific meaning |
Straight Shooter |
Feb-24-05 07:32 PM |
#53 |
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Absolutely, here ya go.............. |
Rebellious Republican |
Feb-24-05 08:31 PM |
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Thanks, Rebellious Republican, you're pulling the rug out from under Novak |
Straight Shooter |
Feb-24-05 11:34 PM |
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Who's the commentator? |
slutticus |
Feb-24-05 06:54 PM |
#5 |
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Don't know his name - regular Newshour reporter - |
Stephanie |
Feb-24-05 06:56 PM |
#18 |
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Terrence Smith |
TomClash |
Feb-25-05 08:18 AM |
#137 |
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Holy Crap! |
Goldeneye |
Feb-24-05 06:54 PM |
#7 |
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unless WWW III breaks out................. |
cthrumatrix |
Feb-24-05 06:54 PM |
#9 |
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Breaking: US Invades Iran! (More after this commercial for Raytheon) |
AZCat |
Feb-24-05 06:55 PM |
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Today NPR had 1 hr on Gannon and 1hr on Miller/Cooper (Plame) |
kohodog |
Feb-24-05 07:41 PM |
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Thanks for that report on NPR's Day Coverage. I didn't think they would |
KoKo01 |
Feb-25-05 12:57 AM |
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I heard most of the one hour show on Gannon, via Sirius |
Gabi Hayes |
Feb-25-05 03:44 AM |
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Colin Powel? Ashcroft? They're already gone, so I wonder ..... |
mzmolly |
Feb-24-05 08:16 PM |
#73 |
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Assuming that Wilson was right |
H2O Man |
Feb-24-05 08:22 PM |
#78 |
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The little Dutch boy is finally being overwhelmed |
AZCat |
Feb-24-05 06:54 PM |
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Ignorance of the law is not a defense |
paineinthearse |
Feb-24-05 06:55 PM |
#12 |
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Wasn't this law signed under Reagan? |
aquart |
Feb-24-05 07:26 PM |
#49 |
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George H. W. Bush called those who leaked CIA ops... |
Kansas Wyatt |
Feb-24-05 09:34 PM |
#95 |
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That's not spinning..that's trying to cover your ass with both hands |
nothingshocksmeanymore |
Feb-24-05 06:55 PM |
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WHAT PROGRAM? I'VE 4 PBS CHANNELS |
sfexpat2000 |
Feb-24-05 06:55 PM |
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Jim Lehrer Newshour |
Stephanie |
Feb-24-05 06:57 PM |
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Thanks, Stepanie! It's on later out here in CA. Can't wait. |
sfexpat2000 |
Feb-24-05 06:58 PM |
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Now throw in Gannon |
Goldeneye |
Feb-24-05 06:55 PM |
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Interesting idea |
sfexpat2000 |
Feb-24-05 07:04 PM |
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Novak himself via Operation Mockingbird may be technically a |
EVDebs |
Feb-24-05 08:03 PM |
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If this is true, then he has no cover. He is criminally liable. My |
tsuki |
Feb-25-05 08:30 AM |
#138 |
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Which is why pulling the Operation Mockingbird thread is so |
EVDebs |
Feb-25-05 08:51 AM |
#143 |
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Ignorance of the law is no excuse |
Skip Intro |
Feb-24-05 06:56 PM |
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So, who is the 'she' Novak is referring to....Plame? It doesn't.... |
whistle |
Feb-24-05 06:58 PM |
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If Novak really felt it was no crime |
illflem |
Feb-24-05 06:58 PM |
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Novak was actually drawn by Gahan Wilson. |
Somawas |
Feb-24-05 06:59 PM |
#24 |
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..."I'm sorry, Judge" |
no_vote_no_count |
Feb-24-05 06:59 PM |
#25 |
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Tell it to the judge |
DoYouEverWonder |
Feb-24-05 07:01 PM |
#26 |
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Ignorance of the fact that Plame was CIA, unfortunately, IS a |
Gabi Hayes |
Feb-24-05 07:01 PM |
#27 |
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If the leaker didn't know she was an agent... |
Salviati |
Feb-24-05 07:06 PM |
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easy.....spread rumors....say you heard it from somebody else, but |
Gabi Hayes |
Feb-24-05 07:11 PM |
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Yes But When Vakula |
Me. |
Feb-24-05 09:25 PM |
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How can you leak something you don't know? |
CindyDale |
Feb-24-05 07:07 PM |
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you can throw out names, but the government has to prove, somehow, |
Gabi Hayes |
Feb-24-05 07:10 PM |
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And not just that he knew she was CIA, |
MUSTANG_2004 |
Feb-24-05 07:14 PM |
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is it the undercover part, too? I'm not sure about that |
Gabi Hayes |
Feb-24-05 07:19 PM |
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Hi there Gabi, Novak named the front company she worked for. |
autorank |
Feb-24-05 07:40 PM |
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Treason's the only crime... |
AZCat |
Feb-24-05 07:43 PM |
#63 |
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US Constitution |
autorank |
Feb-24-05 08:16 PM |
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I might need some help with that... |
AZCat |
Feb-24-05 08:20 PM |
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No appologies needed (haha) |
autorank |
Feb-24-05 09:15 PM |
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Ah - many thanks! |
AZCat |
Feb-24-05 10:06 PM |
#98 |
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Blood here means no punishment of the kids for the parent's sin. |
TacticalPeek |
Feb-24-05 10:39 PM |
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I absolutely love your thinking on this! |
me b zola |
Feb-24-05 09:32 PM |
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See post # 42 N/T |
Rebellious Republican |
Feb-24-05 07:18 PM |
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see post 47....btw I really HATE the way the law always seems |
Gabi Hayes |
Feb-24-05 07:25 PM |
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see post # 70, BTW, I served in the Navy, worked in the intell |
Rebellious Republican |
Feb-24-05 08:22 PM |
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Here is the actual law, as written: |
girl gone mad |
Feb-24-05 07:43 PM |
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You mean high placed officials can get away with anything, |
rman |
Feb-24-05 11:53 PM |
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Wasn't Plame's CIA status part of the leak? |
rman |
Feb-24-05 11:51 PM |
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"...but his wife, Valerie Plame, is an agency operative..." |
fooj |
Feb-25-05 01:19 AM |
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not ignorance, really, and it's on the part of the leaker, NOT leakee |
Gabi Hayes |
Feb-25-05 03:46 AM |
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Isn't that for a trial jury to decide? |
yodermon |
Feb-25-05 01:28 AM |
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good point, but I wonder why they're taking so long, if the ham sandwich |
Gabi Hayes |
Feb-25-05 03:48 AM |
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well despite the repeated discussion |
Warren Stupidity |
Feb-25-05 06:42 AM |
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It is a crime if he was ever an operative of the CIA. |
tsuki |
Feb-25-05 08:33 AM |
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"Sorry officer, I forgot marijuana was illegal." -Steve Martin- |
politicaholic |
Feb-24-05 07:03 PM |
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Not that, but if |
MUSTANG_2004 |
Feb-24-05 07:12 PM |
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self deleted |
seventythree |
Feb-24-05 10:34 PM |
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Want to bet that Novak gave out a name the WH wanted out? |
randr |
Feb-24-05 07:05 PM |
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So does that mean Judith Miller won't go to jail? |
girl gone mad |
Feb-24-05 07:09 PM |
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Sociopathic ignorance of the law is no excuse |
eleny |
Feb-24-05 07:09 PM |
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Of Course They Knew |
Me. |
Feb-24-05 07:11 PM |
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I thought this was interesting |
seventythree |
Feb-24-05 10:38 PM |
#101 |
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Exactly! |
Me. |
Feb-24-05 11:02 PM |
#105 |
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Yep, there it is |
Jose Diablo |
Feb-25-05 09:55 AM |
#154 |
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Wow - that's a great summary and I was unaware of the Halliburton sting |
Stephanie |
Feb-25-05 10:07 AM |
#155 |
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Cheney, Halliburton, sales of Nukes to Pakistan |
Jose Diablo |
Feb-25-05 10:13 AM |
#156 |
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And One Wonder What The Status Of The French Case |
Me. |
Feb-25-05 11:03 AM |
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ICK....I do it because I love....holding nose....Newsmax! |
Gabi Hayes |
Feb-24-05 07:22 PM |
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How Does Toensing Know |
Me. |
Feb-24-05 07:32 PM |
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And why would the CIA call for an investigation |
TomClash |
Feb-25-05 05:20 AM |
#128 |
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Exactly! |
Me. |
Feb-25-05 11:07 AM |
#160 |
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It hinges on whether... |
girl gone mad |
Feb-24-05 07:38 PM |
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If I remember correctly .... |
H2O Man |
Feb-24-05 08:02 PM |
#67 |
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To claim that Floyd Abrams |
TomClash |
Feb-25-05 05:16 AM |
#127 |
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remember, Toensing (lizard lady) |
grasswire |
Feb-24-05 08:09 PM |
#69 |
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yep.....and I loathe the first two beyond imagining |
Gabi Hayes |
Feb-24-05 08:28 PM |
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I Bet You Saw Him On Hardball |
Me. |
Feb-24-05 09:30 PM |
#93 |
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Get your reading glasses on...................... |
Rebellious Republican |
Feb-24-05 08:09 PM |
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Pure and Simple! Beyond bad... |
fooj |
Feb-25-05 01:23 AM |
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valid points |
seventythree |
Feb-24-05 10:41 PM |
#103 |
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What a load |
sfexpat2000 |
Feb-24-05 07:26 PM |
#50 |
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Another Day in Paradise ..... |
H2O Man |
Feb-24-05 07:42 PM |
#61 |
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Distorting the truth ..... |
H2O Man |
Feb-24-05 07:53 PM |
#65 |
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I have not seen much positive on Fitzgerald... |
NewJeffCT |
Feb-24-05 08:51 PM |
#84 |
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Well, I for one can't wait to see how this turns out!!! nt |
SmokingJacket |
Feb-24-05 07:53 PM |
#64 |
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Intelligence Identities Protection Act ... here's the law,,,see if it was |
EVDebs |
Feb-24-05 08:01 PM |
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Fitzgerald is experienced and wouldn't be pursuing this if it had no merit |
kohodog |
Feb-24-05 08:10 PM |
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Very true. |
H2O Man |
Feb-24-05 08:17 PM |
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kick |
Obviousman |
Feb-24-05 08:18 PM |
#75 |
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Thanks for the link just listened to the report |
MissWaverly |
Feb-24-05 08:22 PM |
#77 |
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The chances that the leak |
H2O Man |
Feb-24-05 08:26 PM |
#80 |
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Regarding how long info is classified for, see post # 70 N/T |
Rebellious Republican |
Feb-24-05 08:37 PM |
#83 |
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you have the key to the potential prosecution in this bit: |
Gabi Hayes |
Feb-24-05 08:55 PM |
#85 |
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There are a few who care and as I said earlier, |
kohodog |
Feb-24-05 09:00 PM |
#86 |
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Really? |
H2O Man |
Feb-24-05 09:09 PM |
#89 |
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gone right after Novak immediately, of course. |
Gabi Hayes |
Feb-25-05 03:40 AM |
#120 |
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Why would you assume |
H2O Man |
Feb-25-05 06:43 AM |
#130 |
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What if Novak himself, thru Operation Mockingbird, is a CIA asset |
EVDebs |
Feb-24-05 10:09 PM |
#99 |
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Here's what Novak wrote |
TomClash |
Feb-24-05 09:02 PM |
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Very good. |
H2O Man |
Feb-24-05 09:12 PM |
#90 |
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Cheney would have the authorized access |
seventythree |
Feb-24-05 11:06 PM |
#107 |
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Each journalist told |
H2O Man |
Feb-25-05 06:45 AM |
#131 |
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I don't know |
TomClash |
Feb-25-05 04:56 AM |
#125 |
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Two good questions. |
H2O Man |
Feb-25-05 06:52 AM |
#132 |
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Common Knowledge and the March 8 Meeting |
TomClash |
Feb-25-05 08:02 AM |
#134 |
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Now what happens at trial |
Blue Wally |
Feb-24-05 09:56 PM |
#96 |
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good analysis |
seventythree |
Feb-24-05 10:56 PM |
#104 |
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Question: |
yodermon |
Feb-25-05 01:46 AM |
#118 |
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Same thing |
TomClash |
Feb-25-05 04:40 AM |
#124 |
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IMO, the key thing is just finding out who this is! Even if no law was... |
Roland99 |
Feb-25-05 08:59 AM |
#145 |
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You can tell a lot |
H2O Man |
Feb-25-05 09:08 AM |
#147 |
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Capital crime... no excuses! |
Swamp Rat |
Feb-24-05 09:08 PM |
#88 |
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Novak is a fucking traitor. - n/t |
porphyrian |
Feb-24-05 09:57 PM |
#97 |
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Video - News Hour reports on Journalists Prosecution, Novak, Gannon - 2/24 |
dzika |
Feb-24-05 11:04 PM |
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thanks so much for the link |
seventythree |
Feb-24-05 11:23 PM |
#108 |
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I think Plame has bee a broad all her life- barump bump. n/t |
Al-CIAda |
Feb-25-05 12:40 AM |
#112 |
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This is as sickening as listening to Novak and watching his |
0007 |
Feb-25-05 07:32 AM |
#133 |
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I think the heart of the matter... |
dryan |
Feb-25-05 08:12 AM |
#135 |
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Yes! I saw this last night. Great coverage, imo |
Roland99 |
Feb-25-05 08:16 AM |
#136 |
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Whaaaaat? |
Prag |
Feb-25-05 08:35 AM |
#140 |
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Leaker's defense is that it was already common knowledge |
wishlist |
Feb-25-05 08:50 AM |
#142 |
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Good point... |
Prag |
Feb-25-05 09:16 AM |
#150 |
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I listened to the interview again |
TomClash |
Feb-25-05 08:54 AM |
#144 |
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While I am usually |
H2O Man |
Feb-25-05 09:03 AM |
#146 |
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Oh, don't get me wrong |
TomClash |
Feb-25-05 11:18 AM |
#161 |
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H2O Man, you seem to be most on top of this story so let me ask you this, |
fob |
Feb-25-05 11:58 AM |
#163 |
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In my opinion, |
H2O Man |
Feb-25-05 01:07 PM |
#168 |
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AHA! Then outing Plame was the intent, discrediting Wilson was the |
fob |
Feb-25-05 01:15 PM |
#171 |
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So why is the investigators pushing the other journalists to give names? |
oc2002 |
Feb-25-05 09:15 AM |
#149 |
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It is simple. |
H2O Man |
Feb-25-05 09:45 AM |
#152 |
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.. eh? so your holding up a prosecution of one crime and jailing people? |
oc2002 |
Feb-25-05 09:51 AM |
#153 |
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The Journalists In Question |
Me. |
Feb-25-05 10:54 AM |
#158 |
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Of course not. |
H2O Man |
Feb-25-05 01:09 PM |
#169 |
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unless they went for a charge of treason |
julialnyc |
Feb-25-05 11:22 AM |
#162 |
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Novack Named Names-Valerie Plame |
JunkYardDogg |
Feb-25-05 09:41 AM |
#151 |
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If he named names why aren't we seeing the names anywhere? |
izzybeans |
Feb-25-05 12:05 PM |
#165 |
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Grand juries |
H2O Man |
Feb-25-05 01:11 PM |
#170 |
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Why the names aren't being published |
Rob H. |
Feb-25-05 01:37 PM |
#172 |
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Thanks to both of you. |
izzybeans |
Feb-25-05 01:59 PM |
#173 |
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Bury it on Friday night? |
wryter2000 |
Feb-25-05 05:38 PM |
#174 |
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