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225. I totally agree
If you want to stretch your buck on a home, you could move out to a desolate county in some Southern state. The size of the house is not everyone's first priority. IMO, your children will be a lot better off being exposed to diversity and a sophisticated culture. They will be better prepared to deal in the real world than if they were isolated in tv/mall land.

I love NYC too!
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  -I ventured out to the suburbs this weekend... UdoKier  Feb-22-05 11:22 AM   #0 
  - San Fransisco, Miami, El Paso,  enough   Feb-22-05 11:33 AM   #1 
  - Hear!Hear! Don't forget suburban Scottsdale!  GalleryGod   Feb-22-05 11:40 AM   #7 
  - Atlanta  Blue_Tires   Feb-22-05 12:12 PM   #33 
     - Yes, I know what you mean. I live northwest of Atlanta  RebelOne   Feb-22-05 12:17 PM   #38 
  - Yes u are a writer...  mexicoxpat   Feb-22-05 11:35 AM   #2 
  - Will Pitt's a writer.  UdoKier   Feb-22-05 11:38 AM   #3 
     - Check out the novel "Snow Crash" by Neil Stephenson  HippieCowgirl   Feb-22-05 11:44 AM   #10 
     - Wasn't the "Fundie Nation" called...  w13rd0   Feb-22-05 12:01 PM   #22 
     - That's the one n/t  HippieCowgirl   Feb-22-05 12:04 PM   #23 
     - burb beaters. interesting book, the tower of babel thing was a bit much.  loudestchick   Feb-23-05 01:34 PM   #154 
     - u are a different kind of writer...  mexicoxpat   Feb-22-05 11:45 AM   #11 
     - Thank you for that.  UdoKier   Feb-22-05 11:57 AM   #20 
     - Nonsense. He's published  Lorien   Feb-23-05 12:06 PM   #127 
  - Actually they really are androids in all of those areas  underpants   Feb-22-05 11:39 AM   #4 
  - This a great post. I completely understand where you are coming  Hoping4Change   Feb-22-05 11:40 AM   #5 
  - amen! that's sooooo important  nashville_brook   Feb-22-05 11:51 AM   #16 
  - I have noticed  Acryliccalico   Feb-22-05 11:40 AM   #6 
  - As our industrial base has moved overseas, they have thoughtfully  Skidmore   Feb-22-05 11:46 AM   #12 
     - Yeah... we "own" it until some corporation, in the guise of a "local  No Exit   Feb-22-05 11:50 AM   #15 
        - call your City Manager  nashville_brook   Feb-22-05 11:55 AM   #19 
           - Thank you. Our city manager is an asshole; I've dealt with him  No Exit   Feb-22-05 12:06 PM   #25 
              - meet Johnson City, Tennessee's city manager  nashville_brook   Feb-22-05 12:35 PM   #46 
              - WHOA!! Those photos look to ME like they prove something!  No Exit   Feb-22-05 12:39 PM   #47 
              - sad truth is they basically ran us out of business  nashville_brook   Feb-22-05 12:47 PM   #55 
                 - Johnson City is east Tennessee, right?  No Exit   Feb-23-05 08:05 AM   #100 
                 - yeppers, waaaaaay up there, in the mountains  nashville_brook   Feb-23-05 01:54 PM   #160 
                 - Those Comic Book stores...wasn't necessarily the Baptists...  JHB   Feb-23-05 12:40 PM   #141 
                    - i think there prob some of that -- $$ is ALWAYS tight for advertising  nashville_brook   Feb-23-05 01:56 PM   #161 
              - Weird. Our new city manager used to be cm in JC  BamaGirl   Feb-22-05 11:19 PM   #98 
              - on the subject of golf courses -- JC a town of 50k, had 4  nashville_brook   Feb-22-05 12:41 PM   #51 
                 - Absolutely  TyeDye75   Feb-22-05 01:34 PM   #79 
  - We have that same experience when we go into  Skidmore   Feb-22-05 11:41 AM   #8 
  - IMHO, you are a writer--and a very good one.  classof56   Feb-22-05 11:42 AM   #9 
  - I really didn't want to bash them - since I don't know them.  UdoKier   Feb-22-05 11:53 AM   #17 
     - and you would correct on both counts  nashville_brook   Feb-22-05 11:58 AM   #21 
     - My dad's brother and his wife's kids  FreedomAngel82   Feb-22-05 01:02 PM   #67 
  - well said, tho -- SPRAWL is cancer  nashville_brook   Feb-22-05 11:47 AM   #13 
  - teenage mastery  nashville_brook   Feb-22-05 12:05 PM   #24 
  - Great avatar. Great recommendation.  Hoping4Change   Feb-22-05 12:07 PM   #27 
  - teehee -- Bongo  nashville_brook   Feb-22-05 01:20 PM   #76 
  - I loved Opryland!  FreedomAngel82   Feb-22-05 01:04 PM   #68 
     - dollyland still going -- go to the other side of the smokeys tho -- its  nashville_brook   Feb-22-05 01:25 PM   #77 
  - "This is what happens when you have an economy instead of a culture."  No Exit   Feb-22-05 11:48 AM   #14 
  - ha, that's nothing  Magic Rat   Feb-22-05 11:54 AM   #18 
  - And each and every one of those $600,000. homes  EC   Feb-22-05 12:06 PM   #26 
  - I have always loved that photo of the guy in the turtleneck  UdoKier   Feb-22-05 12:09 PM   #30 
     - I like it too  FreedomAngel82   Feb-22-05 01:06 PM   #71 
     - I'm sure they do hate it....  EC   Feb-22-05 03:54 PM   #95 
  - I just moved to Loudoun County, Virginia  Goathead   Feb-22-05 12:09 PM   #28 
  - Oh yes, I should have mentioned.  UdoKier   Feb-22-05 12:11 PM   #32 
  - Madison is suffering from that as well...  B3Nut   Feb-22-05 01:16 PM   #74 
  - Kenosha also  Hardrada   Feb-23-05 12:55 PM   #142 
  - Well  MountainLaurel   Feb-22-05 03:32 PM   #92 
  - Ohmigod, we're not alone!  buddyhollysghost   Feb-22-05 12:09 PM   #29 
  - Ahhh, the anti-suburban rant, the final vestige of bigotry allowed on DU  Walt Starr   Feb-22-05 12:10 PM   #31 
  - Bigotry?  UdoKier   Feb-22-05 12:16 PM   #36 
  - Spare me  Walt Starr   Feb-22-05 12:17 PM   #37 
     - Whatever.  UdoKier   Feb-22-05 12:20 PM   #40 
        - Just don't like Anti-suburnaite attitudes n/t  Walt Starr   Feb-22-05 12:23 PM   #42 
           - Bummer for you.  UdoKier   Feb-22-05 12:28 PM   #43 
           - You can read my thoughts about this subjevt here:  Walt Starr   Feb-22-05 12:34 PM   #45 
              - That's very nice.  UdoKier   Feb-22-05 12:40 PM   #50 
              - Nope, it's the second largest city in Illinois  Walt Starr   Feb-22-05 12:46 PM   #54 
                 - Most suburbs are not as you describe.  UdoKier   Feb-22-05 12:50 PM   #59 
                 - Sidewalks everywhere here  Walt Starr   Feb-22-05 12:53 PM   #61 
                 - And Portillo's  AngryAmish   Feb-22-05 02:07 PM   #84 
                 - My cousins and aunt have always lived in suburbs  Hardrada   Feb-23-05 01:03 PM   #144 
                 - Wayne and Garth left public access here years ago  Walt Starr   Feb-22-05 12:57 PM   #63 
                    - I grew up in a suburb of Baltimore. Every single one was different,  igil   Feb-22-05 03:15 PM   #89 
                    - Hey, Walt Starr, I know how you feel.  chicagojoe   Feb-23-05 11:09 AM   #118 
                 - Didn't know that. I would have thought Rockford or Springfield.  chicagojoe   Feb-23-05 11:12 AM   #119 
              - having a TRAIN, in itself disqualifies where you live from what most  nashville_brook   Feb-22-05 01:00 PM   #64 
                 - chicago suburbs  datasuspect   Feb-23-05 09:39 AM   #103 
                    - Nearly every Chicago suburb predates 1920  Walt Starr   Feb-23-05 09:54 AM   #105 
                    - very true  datasuspect   Feb-23-05 10:08 AM   #109 
                    - You don't want to know..the horror!  CottonBear   Feb-23-05 11:34 AM   #124 
                    - You must not.  Bouncy Ball   Feb-23-05 10:20 PM   #211 
                    - amen! my fave vacations have been just seeing  nashville_brook   Feb-23-05 01:58 PM   #162 
           - Bush won the majority of the suburb votes, what does that tell us?  ultraist   Feb-22-05 01:06 PM   #70 
              - Tells us we've got our work cut out for us...  UdoKier   Feb-22-05 01:11 PM   #73 
              - Tells me the majority of suburbanites are fucking idiots.  DrWeird   Feb-23-05 12:12 PM   #131 
                 - LMAO!!!  ultraist   Feb-24-05 10:19 AM   #221 
  - Huh?  Willy Lee   Feb-22-05 12:40 PM   #49 
  - You are responding to Walt Starr, not Will Pitt.  UdoKier   Feb-22-05 12:44 PM   #53 
     - Oops- my bad!  Willy Lee   Feb-22-05 12:48 PM   #57 
  - where we live is the Alpha and Omega of political life  nashville_brook   Feb-22-05 12:51 PM   #60 
  - Spare ME Walt.  Bouncy Ball   Feb-23-05 10:18 PM   #210 
  - This piece is so beautifully written & your children and wife are very  Binka   Feb-22-05 12:13 PM   #34 
  - Sorry to hear that about Dublin.  UdoKier   Feb-22-05 12:19 PM   #39 
  - and you get your facts from where?  prozacnation   Feb-23-05 01:22 PM   #147 
  - Thank you for your story. I was so depressed yesterday. It helps to come  NoSheep   Feb-22-05 12:15 PM   #35 
  - Be careful with your generalizations......  Kaylee   Feb-22-05 12:31 PM   #44 
     - Re-read my post. I'm not so sure you'll find any there.  NoSheep   Feb-22-05 03:32 PM   #93 
  - You should try living in the middle of it.  toddaa   Feb-22-05 12:23 PM   #41 
  - Reminds me of a toon I saw many years ago:  karlrschneider   Feb-22-05 12:40 PM   #48 
  - Did you actually talk to any of the suburbanites?  Bridget Burke   Feb-22-05 12:43 PM   #52 
  - I know plenty of suburbanites.  UdoKier   Feb-22-05 12:48 PM   #58 
     - Well, I guess the suburbanites I know are smarter than yours!  Bridget Burke   Feb-22-05 01:02 PM   #66 
     - I'm not saying they are stupid.  UdoKier   Feb-22-05 01:09 PM   #72 
     - beaumont?  datasuspect   Feb-23-05 09:52 AM   #104 
        - Yeah. We moved from there to El Paso, so I guess it was "brown flight"  UdoKier   Feb-23-05 12:18 PM   #133 
  - I live in the suburbs now of Kansas City..  newportdadde   Feb-22-05 12:47 PM   #56 
  - Come into town and visit us in Brookside or Waldo. Have a glass of wine  loudestchick   Feb-23-05 09:08 PM   #208 
  - Nice story  FreedomAngel82   Feb-22-05 12:55 PM   #62 
  - Interesting OP!  ultraist   Feb-22-05 01:02 PM   #65 
  - Yes and no. That's the usual reason for a lot of the expansion  igil   Feb-22-05 03:27 PM   #91 
  - It's amazing how all of the suburban shopping complexes  FrustratedDemInNC   Feb-22-05 01:05 PM   #69 
  - Super Size Me had a great description  flygal   Feb-22-05 01:32 PM   #78 
     - LOL, I remember that scene!  FrustratedDemInNC   Feb-22-05 01:58 PM   #81 
  - I just can't do it anymore.  GumboYaYa   Feb-22-05 01:18 PM   #75 
  - FYI, Dublin is NOT a SUBURB!  Xithras   Feb-22-05 01:54 PM   #80 
  - That's nice to hear, but it seems like a suburb or exurb to me.  UdoKier   Feb-22-05 02:02 PM   #82 
     - I don't think it's so much NIMBYism  Xithras   Feb-22-05 02:24 PM   #85 
        - That's my neck of the woods  eissa   Feb-24-05 11:14 AM   #226 
  - Another one raising their kids in SF, here.  hiphopnation23   Feb-22-05 02:03 PM   #83 
  - I ventured out of the city today as well...  jeffrey_X   Feb-22-05 02:50 PM   #86 
  - Suburbia - the greatest misallocation of resources  JohnyCanuck   Feb-22-05 03:02 PM   #87 
  - Rhetorical bullshit  Walt Starr   Feb-22-05 03:03 PM   #88 
     - I guess we'll see when the oil runs out. n/t  JohnyCanuck   Feb-22-05 03:20 PM   #90 
  - I like your post  Cats Against Frist   Feb-22-05 03:48 PM   #94 
  - Our son & DIL live in Concord  SoCalDem   Feb-22-05 04:08 PM   #96 
  - I know what you are talking about  yankeedem   Feb-22-05 04:49 PM   #97 
  - I lived in the east bay twice  paineinthearse   Feb-22-05 11:44 PM   #99 
  - How do they afford it? A lot of them are deep in debt  ComerPerro   Feb-23-05 08:14 AM   #101 
  - I gather from the OP that  3lefts   Feb-23-05 09:19 AM   #102 
  - That's a tragically oversimplistic analysis  IrateCitizen   Feb-23-05 09:56 AM   #106 
  - excellent description!  ultraist   Feb-23-05 10:38 AM   #111 
  - Categorically disagree...  3lefts   Feb-23-05 10:39 AM   #112 
  - You misunderstand what was meant by culture.  GumboYaYa   Feb-23-05 11:00 AM   #115 
  - good clarifiaction, i agree completely.....  bettyellen   Feb-23-05 11:36 AM   #125 
  - Response  IrateCitizen   Feb-23-05 11:24 AM   #123 
  - Well said  Lorien   Feb-23-05 12:01 PM   #126 
     - Thanks for a thoughtful response, Lorien...  IrateCitizen   Feb-23-05 12:12 PM   #130 
        - Yes, "Your money or your life" is one that I've recommended  Lorien   Feb-23-05 12:27 PM   #137 
  - The rowhouses have been gentrified....  Bridget Burke   Feb-23-05 09:59 AM   #108 
  - SF is very expensive!  ultraist   Feb-23-05 10:52 AM   #113 
  - I was able to find a 2 bedroom in a nice SF neighborhood for LESS  UdoKier   Feb-23-05 11:21 AM   #121 
     - Yes, and perhaps if you take into account the savings in  Lydia Leftcoast   Feb-23-05 12:28 PM   #138 
     - The beginnings of the "implosion" are already visible.  bvar22   Feb-23-05 12:56 PM   #143 
     - I totally agree  ultraist   Feb-24-05 10:35 AM   #225 
  - Just to clarify, I never called anybody an idiot.  UdoKier   Feb-23-05 11:17 AM   #120 
     - So--suburbanites aren't idiots--just "dull, vapid, soulless & scary"  Bridget Burke   Feb-23-05 12:09 PM   #129 
        - No, the SUBURBS are thus. There are all manner of people there.  UdoKier   Feb-23-05 12:13 PM   #132 
  - I lived in a McRowhome too, w/a patch of McLawn - ha, ha!  Justitia   Feb-23-05 12:24 PM   #135 
     - ..You grew up in "Mayfair off Frankford Avenue"...!!  markmalcom   Feb-23-05 01:22 PM   #146 
        - I tried to PM you, but DU says you are too new to receive  Justitia   Feb-23-05 03:27 PM   #178 
           - OT Justitia....LMAO....  3lefts   Feb-23-05 04:16 PM   #195 
           - awwww.....  Justitia   Feb-23-05 06:01 PM   #207 
           - Absolutely!....I went to St. Bernards elementary and  markmalcom   Feb-23-05 11:00 PM   #213 
  - there all in it togeather  CAN_for_Kerry   Feb-23-05 09:59 AM   #107 
  - I live in Antioch, CA in the Bay Area  Rapcw   Feb-23-05 10:18 AM   #110 
  - Isn't that where they filmed Edward Scissorhands?  ultraist   Feb-23-05 10:55 AM   #114 
  - Living in the suburbs encourages consumption  wtmusic   Feb-23-05 11:04 AM   #116 
  - I live in the city, and I find that it encourages consumption.  12345   Feb-23-05 12:29 PM   #139 
     - We consume less here.  UdoKier   Feb-23-05 01:23 PM   #148 
        - In San Francisco, we're better than you, and we know it.  12345   Feb-23-05 01:27 PM   #150 
           - No, we just give a damn.  UdoKier   Feb-23-05 01:30 PM   #153 
              - No, I don't hate cities, I just hate your self righteous attitude.  12345   Feb-23-05 01:38 PM   #155 
                 - Yes, it's much worse than your dismissive, defensive one...  UdoKier   Feb-23-05 01:41 PM   #157 
                    - My original post dealt with consumerism,  12345   Feb-23-05 02:29 PM   #169 
                       - SOLUTIONS!!!  IrateCitizen   Feb-24-05 09:45 AM   #216 
                          - Sidewalks...ahh, such a simple idea.  GumboYaYa   Feb-24-05 09:54 AM   #218 
                             - I'm totally on board on the "front porch" idea!!!  IrateCitizen   Feb-24-05 10:14 AM   #220 
  - I enjoyed your post  ginnyinWI   Feb-23-05 11:04 AM   #117 
  - But isn't Milwaukee a very nice city?  UdoKier   Feb-23-05 11:23 AM   #122 
     - Urban Minneapolis / St Paul here.  bvar22   Feb-23-05 12:18 PM   #134 
     - I go to Mall of America only  Lydia Leftcoast   Feb-23-05 12:33 PM   #140 
     - I like the city of Milw. well enough  ginnyinWI   Feb-23-05 01:26 PM   #149 
  - I live in Dublin and I don't appreciate your comments  prozacnation   Feb-23-05 12:06 PM   #128 
  - I didn't say it was all-white or all-republican.  UdoKier   Feb-23-05 01:17 PM   #145 
  - It was well written to me and kept me reading  Stew225   Feb-23-05 12:25 PM   #136 
  - Please understand, I *AM NOT* blanket anti-suburb.  UdoKier   Feb-23-05 01:28 PM   #151 
  - free-market city planning is an oxymoron  nashville_brook   Feb-23-05 02:02 PM   #163 
  - I choose to live in the suburbs - rant  FLDem5   Feb-23-05 01:29 PM   #152 
  - What the fuck ever.  UdoKier   Feb-23-05 01:39 PM   #156 
  - I grew up in a steel town - my father worked in the plant  FLDem5   Feb-23-05 01:52 PM   #158 
     - The people staying at the Disney World Hotel Complex  UdoKier   Feb-23-05 02:04 PM   #164 
        - Real communities ARE the people who inhabit them.  FLDem5   Feb-23-05 02:24 PM   #168 
  - Wow, I think you are taking this way too personally.  GumboYaYa   Feb-23-05 02:48 PM   #172 
     - I love how *I'm* a "snob"...  UdoKier   Feb-23-05 03:03 PM   #174 
     - Remember when homes had front porches and people sat on  GumboYaYa   Feb-23-05 03:15 PM   #176 
     - enough of the I'm afraid of diversity stuff, okay.  FLDem5   Feb-23-05 03:34 PM   #181 
     - The beef is at every level of the lifestyle.  UdoKier   Feb-23-05 03:42 PM   #184 
        - Do people in cities do those things?  FLDem5   Feb-23-05 03:56 PM   #187 
           - You make your case eloquently here...  UdoKier   Feb-23-05 04:03 PM   #189 
              - Just for fun...  FLDem5   Feb-23-05 04:06 PM   #190 
                 - I'm not talking about an evening stroll...  UdoKier   Feb-23-05 04:23 PM   #198 
     - LMAO!!!  ultraist   Feb-24-05 11:16 AM   #227 
     - So sorry - must be sensitive or my time of the month or something...  FLDem5   Feb-23-05 03:21 PM   #177 
        - Wow - so much TRUTH in one post.  UdoKier   Feb-23-05 03:31 PM   #179 
        - But for one post in that whole string, there are no personal  GumboYaYa   Feb-23-05 03:34 PM   #182 
           - My point is that I have lived in three different  FLDem5   Feb-23-05 03:37 PM   #183 
              - Generalizations are not good when talking about people.  GumboYaYa   Feb-23-05 03:45 PM   #185 
                 - but it was not just suburban development they were attacking  FLDem5   Feb-23-05 04:02 PM   #188 
                    - I agree. I believe that all things being equal, most people would  12345   Feb-23-05 04:09 PM   #191 
                    - I hope it is clear that my concern is with the impact that our zoning,  GumboYaYa   Feb-23-05 04:12 PM   #193 
                       - Well then Udo and Gumbo - truce  FLDem5   Feb-23-05 04:18 PM   #196 
                          - Yeah right, you're headed to McDonalds........  GumboYaYa   Feb-23-05 04:20 PM   #197 
                             - Naw, she's upscale.  UdoKier   Feb-23-05 04:28 PM   #200 
  - i live in a burb north of Dallas  movie_girl99   Feb-23-05 01:53 PM   #159 
  - Well, Dallas and Houston are exceptional.  UdoKier   Feb-23-05 02:07 PM   #166 
     - i lived in El Paso for a year  movie_girl99   Feb-23-05 03:02 PM   #173 
     - I'm not suggesting you move.  UdoKier   Feb-23-05 03:05 PM   #175 
        - thats cool  movie_girl99   Feb-24-05 10:20 AM   #222 
     - Here in the Bay Area the 'burbs (such as Dublin)  alittlelark   Feb-23-05 09:22 PM   #209 
  - I've had a revelation from this thread.  Pirate Smile   Feb-23-05 02:06 PM   #165 
  - I'll look down on you.  UdoKier   Feb-23-05 02:13 PM   #167 
  - We did - you just don't realise how you sound. eom  FLDem5   Feb-23-05 02:31 PM   #170 
     - It sounds like elitism....  Bridget Burke   Feb-23-05 02:37 PM   #171 
        - Bet I don't earn HALF what you do...  UdoKier   Feb-23-05 03:55 PM   #186 
  - I think you're mistaking sadness for condescension  Lorien   Feb-23-05 03:33 PM   #180 
     - I think we are making a lot of assumptions about the people who  Pirate Smile   Feb-23-05 04:10 PM   #192 
        - Where did anyone say that cities are an "oasis"  Lorien   Feb-23-05 04:33 PM   #201 
           - No shit. As pointed out in "Supersize Me"...  UdoKier   Feb-23-05 04:37 PM   #202 
  - San Francisco is my other favorite city.  Swamp Rat   Feb-23-05 04:13 PM   #194 
  - N'Awlins your favorite?  UdoKier   Feb-23-05 04:24 PM   #199 
     - Don't forget the FOOD!  Swamp Rat   Feb-23-05 05:21 PM   #205 
        - And the music....  GumboYaYa   Feb-23-05 05:25 PM   #206 
  - I live in the suburbs.  name not needed   Feb-23-05 04:59 PM   #203 
  - Many people don't know that there are even other options.  wildeyed   Feb-23-05 05:00 PM   #204 
  - Come down to Palo Alto some time  sakabatou   Feb-23-05 10:36 PM   #212 
  - You don't know why people live there, and are too arrogant to ask.  Inland   Feb-24-05 08:46 AM   #214 
  - Accepting things as they are vs. dreaming of a better way  IrateCitizen   Feb-24-05 09:32 AM   #215 
     - Defending the status quo vs. acknowledging that there is a reason  Inland   Feb-24-05 09:53 AM   #217 
     - We're much in agreement on this...  IrateCitizen   Feb-24-05 10:09 AM   #219 
     - Well put, I agree and  Lorien   Feb-24-05 12:46 PM   #232 
  - Yeah, here in DC, there is a springing up of "Town Centers"  tasteblind   Feb-24-05 10:24 AM   #223 
  - Thanks for a great post.  GoSolar   Feb-24-05 10:35 AM   #224 
  - I live  bloom   Feb-24-05 11:24 AM   #228 
  - You are lucky to live out in the country!  ultraist   Feb-24-05 11:52 AM   #229 
  - I grew up in Southern California  TheGoldenRule   Feb-24-05 12:09 PM   #230 
  - As your familier with the area  NCN007   Feb-24-05 12:18 PM   #231 
     - I couldn't afford a house ANYWHERE in the bay area. Count your blessings.  UdoKier   Feb-25-05 02:13 PM   #233 
 

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