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rowire Donating Member (84 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-17-05 03:36 PM
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127. Whoops!
I showed this to one of my conservative co-workers and he said "yeah, there is something called the seasons of the year --- one is summer and another is winter."

Do you have any other information I can show him that would shed light on where this is and what time of year both photos were taken? Thanks.
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  -Show this to your friends who dont believe in global warming...irrefutable Hell in a Handbasket  Feb-16-05 10:02 AM   #0 
  - Wow... where is that? n/t  trotsky   Feb-16-05 10:08 AM   #1 
  - Here,  Dark   Feb-16-05 12:29 PM   #42 
  - Over the years I've watched the event depicted in the third picture occur.  Freebird12004   Feb-17-05 06:37 AM   #103 
  - Upsala Glacier, Argentina (nt)  zwielicht   Feb-17-05 05:46 PM   #134 
  - Can you tell us where this is located?  classof56   Feb-16-05 10:10 AM   #2 
  - Why sad?  Squatch   Feb-16-05 10:12 AM   #4 
  - Hmmm...now that you mention it...  classof56   Feb-16-05 10:30 AM   #11 
     - Mother Earth has been a lot hotter in the past  Squatch   Feb-16-05 10:32 AM   #13 
     - But we're entering a period in history where there is going to be more CO2  Salviati   Feb-16-05 10:45 AM   #21 
     - Really?  Squatch   Feb-16-05 10:50 AM   #24 
     - I'm trying to remember facts presented during a colloquium I attended...  Salviati   Feb-16-05 12:12 PM   #37 
        - Cool, here's the guys webpage, with links to the presentation:  Salviati   Feb-16-05 12:23 PM   #38 
     - No, this is not true.  fat free goodness   Feb-16-05 01:05 PM   #46 
        - You're off by about 100 PPMV  hatrack   Feb-16-05 01:09 PM   #47 
        - My mistake. I edited for brevity and transposed.  fat free goodness   Feb-16-05 01:38 PM   #54 
           - How about an actual scientific article?  Viking12   Feb-16-05 01:46 PM   #56 
           - Most records agree.  fat free goodness   Feb-16-05 02:42 PM   #69 
              - You're charging at windmills (pun intended)  Viking12   Feb-16-05 02:49 PM   #73 
                 - No strawman - II was responding directly to a post.  fat free goodness   Feb-16-05 07:00 PM   #87 
                    - You're sort of right  Viking12   Feb-16-05 08:30 PM   #89 
                       - Except...  fat free goodness   Feb-17-05 08:23 AM   #107 
           - That page appears to have its own bias.  trotsky   Feb-16-05 01:49 PM   #58 
              - Agreed.  fat free goodness   Feb-16-05 02:16 PM   #65 
        - Then you should be able to measure and identify those other factors  Viking12   Feb-16-05 01:19 PM   #49 
        - In other words, come up with a complete  fat free goodness   Feb-16-05 02:12 PM   #63 
           - You don't need a grant. You just need to read.  Viking12   Feb-16-05 02:17 PM   #66 
           - I understand there is  fat free goodness   Feb-16-05 07:03 PM   #88 
              - So if we don't know everything, we know nothing?  Viking12   Feb-16-05 08:33 PM   #90 
                 - That's not what I said.  fat free goodness   Feb-17-05 08:17 AM   #106 
                    - No one looks at it in isolation, so what's your point?  Viking12   Feb-17-05 09:42 AM   #120 
                       - refute what ?  fat free goodness   Feb-17-05 03:42 PM   #129 
                          - Yes or no?  Viking12   Feb-17-05 05:40 PM   #132 
                             - I'm not being evasive.  fat free goodness   Feb-18-05 10:16 AM   #142 
                                - Perhaps you should read up on non-linear systems  Viking12   Feb-18-05 11:07 AM   #143 
                                   - Again, you seem to be responding to someone other than me.  fat free goodness   Feb-18-05 04:32 PM   #144 
                                      - Your faux indignation is amusing if not frustrating.  Viking12   Feb-18-05 07:06 PM   #145 
           - Picture 2 to picture 1  trotsky   Feb-16-05 02:29 PM   #67 
              - WOW, Any good EASY reading for those who want more info.  caligirl   Feb-16-05 02:56 PM   #76 
                 - This is pretty good.  trotsky   Feb-16-05 03:03 PM   #78 
                    - This was really interesting, Thanks for the link. Bookmarked this one..  caligirl   Feb-16-05 04:14 PM   #84 
        - The Ordovician Period was pulled out of an ice age by increased CO2  NickB79   Feb-17-05 06:15 AM   #102 
           - But Nick, that article was published in a peer-reviewed journal  Viking12   Feb-17-05 07:05 AM   #104 
     - I'm sure you're right. She'll reclaim nicely in a few millenia...  classof56   Feb-16-05 10:58 AM   #28 
     - Hmm...what are those?  Squatch   Feb-16-05 11:00 AM   #30 
     - She'll be fine. It's the people that I'm worried about.  Viking12   Feb-16-05 12:27 PM   #41 
     - She'll be alright  PaulaFarrell   Feb-16-05 01:34 PM   #52 
     - Right. The important thing is that no one stop us from driving our Hummers  impeachdubya   Feb-17-05 02:53 AM   #98 
     - Ozone depetion and global warming are two seperate ways we've screwed...  Salviati   Feb-16-05 10:41 AM   #19 
     - Ozone depletion is a different problem; don't mix them up  JHB   Feb-16-05 12:26 PM   #40 
  - here's the link.  Hell in a Handbasket   Feb-16-05 10:23 AM   #7 
  - we know this administration doesn't give a fuck  PST   Feb-16-05 10:27 AM   #9 
  - Yeah, that alone should convice even the most die-hard skeptic.  Squatch   Feb-16-05 10:11 AM   #3 
  - how many will it take to convince you?? (nt)  freeplessinseattle   Feb-16-05 11:33 AM   #36 
  - I look at the evidence scientifically and not politically...  John BigBootay   Feb-16-05 12:37 PM   #44 
  - A) The "hockey stick has not been, "convincingly disputed"  Viking12   Feb-16-05 01:15 PM   #48 
  - I'm sure you've seen this, but just in case...  John BigBootay   Feb-16-05 01:37 PM   #53 
     - The findings are only "controversial" to industry funded "sceptics"  Viking12   Feb-16-05 01:43 PM   #55 
        - I find them controversial-- and I'm not getting a paycheck  John BigBootay   Feb-16-05 02:01 PM   #60 
        - Delete: Dupe  Viking12   Feb-16-05 02:11 PM   #61 
        - If the truth doesn't win converts, nothing will.  Viking12   Feb-16-05 02:12 PM   #62 
        - The Hockey Stick was massively influential  John BigBootay   Feb-16-05 04:09 PM   #83 
           - Scientists in the late seventies predicted Ice Age?  Viking12   Feb-16-05 05:31 PM   #86 
              - Again-- don't know how old you are, but if you were alive and aware--  John BigBootay   Feb-17-05 02:15 PM   #124 
                 - You didn't read his link, did you?  trotsky   Feb-17-05 03:19 PM   #125 
                 - A few isolated quotes, most of them from news sources not scientific lit  Viking12   Feb-17-05 05:30 PM   #131 
        - Maybe you just like driving a big obnoxious SUV.  impeachdubya   Feb-17-05 02:59 AM   #99 
           - I drive a New-Beetle, smartass--  John BigBootay   Feb-17-05 01:40 PM   #122 
              - Nice, did you get permission from the AEI to use that line of BS?  Viking12   Feb-17-05 05:43 PM   #133 
              - Well we can do "research" until the cows come home.  impeachdubya   Feb-17-05 07:36 PM   #138 
        - your mainstream opinion  NCN007   Feb-17-05 08:20 PM   #139 
           - No the website I link is hosted by actual working climate scientists  Viking12   Feb-17-05 10:44 PM   #140 
  - CHina may be exempt but they are still cutting emissions  PaulaFarrell   Feb-16-05 01:53 PM   #59 
  - Hey! Buckaroo Banzai??  Lindacooks   Feb-16-05 02:51 PM   #74 
  - "It's Boo-TAY! TAY! TAY! TAY!" Brrzzaaappp!!! Classic. n/t  John BigBootay   Feb-16-05 04:55 PM   #85 
  - Why is adapting out of a finite, expensive and polluting power source  impeachdubya   Feb-17-05 03:01 AM   #100 
  - Actually, it's not even evidence of climate change  atre   Feb-17-05 06:14 PM   #135 
  - Hey, take a look at Portage Glacier (near Alyeska) AK  EVDebs   Feb-16-05 10:18 AM   #5 
  - I was there 30 years ago.  Twillig   Feb-16-05 11:01 AM   #32 
  - Portage Glacier is shocking  Blue_In_AK   Feb-16-05 12:35 PM   #43 
  - They'll just say it's summer and winter  TheFarseer   Feb-16-05 10:20 AM   #6 
  - Exactly.  trotsky   Feb-16-05 10:25 AM   #8 
     - That's almost happened before...86 years ago  Squatch   Feb-16-05 10:28 AM   #10 
        - wow. okay, show them the pic, and those stats. nt  Hell in a Handbasket   Feb-16-05 10:31 AM   #12 
        - And show them that a lot of the temp extremes in MT  Squatch   Feb-16-05 10:33 AM   #14 
           - You're the one using the extremes incorrectly.  trotsky   Feb-16-05 10:39 AM   #17 
        - Warm temps are not impossible - I never said they were.  trotsky   Feb-16-05 10:36 AM   #15 
           - Just itching to pigeonhole me, aren't you?  Squatch   Feb-16-05 10:40 AM   #18 
              - And you're trying to strawman me.  trotsky   Feb-16-05 10:45 AM   #20 
                 - THAT was humor?  Squatch   Feb-16-05 10:46 AM   #22 
                    - Likewise, albeit for different reasons.  trotsky   Feb-16-05 10:47 AM   #23 
                       - Ha, ha, ha, ha...more humor?  Squatch   Feb-16-05 10:51 AM   #25 
                          - You mean, other than calling you out?  trotsky   Feb-16-05 10:54 AM   #26 
                             - Please, go right ahead..."call me out", as you put it.  Squatch   Feb-16-05 10:55 AM   #27 
                                - You misuse statistics.  trotsky   Feb-16-05 11:00 AM   #31 
                                   - Let's take these one at a time, shall we?  Squatch   Feb-16-05 11:05 AM   #34 
                                      - I did my homework.  trotsky   Feb-16-05 11:12 AM   #35 
  - Glacial retreat is a serious problem  NewYorkerfromMass   Feb-16-05 10:36 AM   #16 
  - Drudge has this up.  tasteblind   Feb-16-05 10:59 AM   #29 
  - ## PLEASE DONATE TO DEMOCRATIC UNDERGROUND! ##  DU GrovelBot   Feb-16-05 11:01 AM   #33 
  - 2 possibilities  maxsolomon   Feb-16-05 12:25 PM   #39 
  - interesting news from Europe today  PST   Feb-16-05 12:53 PM   #45 
  - Well put.  trotsky   Feb-16-05 01:31 PM   #50 
  - The biggest change will be with Kilimanjaro...  Emboldened Chimp   Feb-16-05 01:32 PM   #51 
  - There was a great programme on PBS about that very thing recently...  truebrit71   Feb-17-05 03:38 PM   #128 
  - Thanks for this post and the pictures.  GoSolar   Feb-16-05 01:46 PM   #57 
  - Be sure to check out Image Number 3  ComerPerro   Feb-16-05 02:16 PM   #64 
  - my backyard does the same thing twice a year  Fescue4u   Feb-16-05 02:39 PM   #68 
  - your backyard is on Argentina's Upsala Glacier?  PST   Feb-16-05 02:45 PM   #70 
  - I said my back yard DOES THIS  Fescue4u   Feb-16-05 02:46 PM   #71 
     - what are you trying to say?  PST   Feb-16-05 02:48 PM   #72 
     - Im saying  Fescue4u   Feb-16-05 03:39 PM   #80 
        - that's why they mentioned the glacier..  PST   Feb-16-05 03:45 PM   #82 
           - fair enough.  Fescue4u   Feb-17-05 08:49 AM   #110 
     - You have glaciers receding in your backyard twice a year?  Viking12   Feb-16-05 02:51 PM   #75 
        - See above  Fescue4u   Feb-16-05 03:40 PM   #81 
           - Are you being deliberately obtuse?  trotsky   Feb-16-05 10:09 PM   #91 
              - NO.  Fescue4u   Feb-17-05 01:35 AM   #94 
                 - Jeezus  Lorien   Feb-17-05 01:42 AM   #96 
                 - of course I know what I glacier is  Fescue4u   Feb-17-05 08:37 AM   #108 
                    - It is clearly a glacier  Lorien   Feb-17-05 01:50 PM   #123 
                 - Deleted message  Name removed   Feb-17-05 07:33 AM   #105 
                    - Yes please attack me.  Fescue4u   Feb-17-05 08:46 AM   #109 
                       - Allow me to enlighten you.  trotsky   Feb-17-05 08:51 AM   #111 
                       - Thank you  Fescue4u   Feb-17-05 08:55 AM   #113 
                          - If that's what it takes for you to save face.  trotsky   Feb-17-05 09:05 AM   #115 
                             - and you called my obtuse  Fescue4u   Feb-17-05 09:09 AM   #116 
                                - I asked if you were being *deliberately* obtuse.  trotsky   Feb-17-05 09:16 AM   #117 
                                   - whatever  Fescue4u   Feb-17-05 09:37 AM   #118 
                       - "and keep wondering why no one takes global warning seriously."  Toots   Feb-17-05 10:27 AM   #121 
  - Do you have any idea how DEEP that glacier was?  NickB79   Feb-17-05 06:00 AM   #101 
  - Not from the photo  Fescue4u   Feb-17-05 08:52 AM   #112 
     - Based on the size of the central mountain in both pictures  NickB79   Feb-17-05 03:31 PM   #126 
  - yes, but how often does a glacier turn into a lake, and then back into a  Hell in a Handbasket   Feb-17-05 09:39 AM   #119 
  - The issue is NOT whether the globe is warming  Jacobin   Feb-16-05 03:01 PM   #77 
  - Bill Moyers scared the hell out of me  PST   Feb-16-05 03:13 PM   #79 
     - Moyers and Grist later withdrew their comments...  airfoil   Feb-17-05 12:31 AM   #92 
     - Devastating  dpibel   Feb-17-05 01:23 AM   #93 
        - But...  airfoil   Feb-17-05 02:47 AM   #97 
           - Unfortunately, the Watt quotes haven't yet been attributable  Viking12   Feb-17-05 06:34 PM   #137 
     - We SHOULD be scared  Lorien   Feb-17-05 01:40 AM   #95 
  - From what I've heard...  twenty2strings   Feb-17-05 08:57 AM   #114 
  - Whoops!  rowire   Feb-17-05 03:36 PM   #127 
  - the whole website doesnt hurt, either.  Hell in a Handbasket   Feb-17-05 04:05 PM   #130 
  - send it to :  libodem   Feb-17-05 06:18 PM   #136 
  - The Bushies think Jebus will rapture them away from this  donheld   Feb-17-05 11:13 PM   #141 
 

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