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Thu Feb-17-05 08:57 AM
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| 114. From what I've heard... |
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Edited on Thu Feb-17-05 08:58 AM by twenty2strings
The earth is periodically smacked up side of the head by comets,asteroids,gamma ray bursts,supervolcanoes,earthquakes,magnetic pole reversals and of course misc.(which includes us and our astounding power to grow fast)If we are the beads of sweat on mother earth's brow I would hope for a gentle dabbing rather than a deep swiping with natures filthy dripping bar rag. The silly monkeys spilled their drinks.  |
| -Show this to your friends who dont believe in global warming...irrefutable |
Hell in a Handbasket |
Feb-16-05 10:02 AM |
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Wow... where is that? n/t |
trotsky |
Feb-16-05 10:08 AM |
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Here, |
Dark |
Feb-16-05 12:29 PM |
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Over the years I've watched the event depicted in the third picture occur. |
Freebird12004 |
Feb-17-05 06:37 AM |
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Upsala Glacier, Argentina (nt) |
zwielicht |
Feb-17-05 05:46 PM |
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Can you tell us where this is located? |
classof56 |
Feb-16-05 10:10 AM |
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Why sad? |
Squatch |
Feb-16-05 10:12 AM |
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Hmmm...now that you mention it... |
classof56 |
Feb-16-05 10:30 AM |
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Mother Earth has been a lot hotter in the past |
Squatch |
Feb-16-05 10:32 AM |
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But we're entering a period in history where there is going to be more CO2 |
Salviati |
Feb-16-05 10:45 AM |
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Really? |
Squatch |
Feb-16-05 10:50 AM |
#24 |
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I'm trying to remember facts presented during a colloquium I attended... |
Salviati |
Feb-16-05 12:12 PM |
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Cool, here's the guys webpage, with links to the presentation: |
Salviati |
Feb-16-05 12:23 PM |
#38 |
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No, this is not true. |
fat free goodness |
Feb-16-05 01:05 PM |
#46 |
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You're off by about 100 PPMV |
hatrack |
Feb-16-05 01:09 PM |
#47 |
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My mistake. I edited for brevity and transposed. |
fat free goodness |
Feb-16-05 01:38 PM |
#54 |
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How about an actual scientific article? |
Viking12 |
Feb-16-05 01:46 PM |
#56 |
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Most records agree. |
fat free goodness |
Feb-16-05 02:42 PM |
#69 |
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You're charging at windmills (pun intended) |
Viking12 |
Feb-16-05 02:49 PM |
#73 |
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No strawman - II was responding directly to a post. |
fat free goodness |
Feb-16-05 07:00 PM |
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You're sort of right |
Viking12 |
Feb-16-05 08:30 PM |
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Except... |
fat free goodness |
Feb-17-05 08:23 AM |
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That page appears to have its own bias. |
trotsky |
Feb-16-05 01:49 PM |
#58 |
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Agreed. |
fat free goodness |
Feb-16-05 02:16 PM |
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Then you should be able to measure and identify those other factors |
Viking12 |
Feb-16-05 01:19 PM |
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In other words, come up with a complete |
fat free goodness |
Feb-16-05 02:12 PM |
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You don't need a grant. You just need to read. |
Viking12 |
Feb-16-05 02:17 PM |
#66 |
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I understand there is |
fat free goodness |
Feb-16-05 07:03 PM |
#88 |
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So if we don't know everything, we know nothing? |
Viking12 |
Feb-16-05 08:33 PM |
#90 |
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That's not what I said. |
fat free goodness |
Feb-17-05 08:17 AM |
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No one looks at it in isolation, so what's your point? |
Viking12 |
Feb-17-05 09:42 AM |
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refute what ? |
fat free goodness |
Feb-17-05 03:42 PM |
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Yes or no? |
Viking12 |
Feb-17-05 05:40 PM |
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I'm not being evasive. |
fat free goodness |
Feb-18-05 10:16 AM |
#142 |
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Perhaps you should read up on non-linear systems |
Viking12 |
Feb-18-05 11:07 AM |
#143 |
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Again, you seem to be responding to someone other than me. |
fat free goodness |
Feb-18-05 04:32 PM |
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Your faux indignation is amusing if not frustrating. |
Viking12 |
Feb-18-05 07:06 PM |
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Picture 2 to picture 1 |
trotsky |
Feb-16-05 02:29 PM |
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WOW, Any good EASY reading for those who want more info. |
caligirl |
Feb-16-05 02:56 PM |
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This is pretty good. |
trotsky |
Feb-16-05 03:03 PM |
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This was really interesting, Thanks for the link. Bookmarked this one.. |
caligirl |
Feb-16-05 04:14 PM |
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The Ordovician Period was pulled out of an ice age by increased CO2 |
NickB79 |
Feb-17-05 06:15 AM |
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But Nick, that article was published in a peer-reviewed journal |
Viking12 |
Feb-17-05 07:05 AM |
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I'm sure you're right. She'll reclaim nicely in a few millenia... |
classof56 |
Feb-16-05 10:58 AM |
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Hmm...what are those? |
Squatch |
Feb-16-05 11:00 AM |
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She'll be fine. It's the people that I'm worried about. |
Viking12 |
Feb-16-05 12:27 PM |
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She'll be alright |
PaulaFarrell |
Feb-16-05 01:34 PM |
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Right. The important thing is that no one stop us from driving our Hummers |
impeachdubya |
Feb-17-05 02:53 AM |
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Ozone depetion and global warming are two seperate ways we've screwed... |
Salviati |
Feb-16-05 10:41 AM |
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Ozone depletion is a different problem; don't mix them up |
JHB |
Feb-16-05 12:26 PM |
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here's the link. |
Hell in a Handbasket |
Feb-16-05 10:23 AM |
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we know this administration doesn't give a fuck |
PST |
Feb-16-05 10:27 AM |
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Yeah, that alone should convice even the most die-hard skeptic. |
Squatch |
Feb-16-05 10:11 AM |
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how many will it take to convince you?? (nt) |
freeplessinseattle |
Feb-16-05 11:33 AM |
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I look at the evidence scientifically and not politically... |
John BigBootay |
Feb-16-05 12:37 PM |
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A) The "hockey stick has not been, "convincingly disputed" |
Viking12 |
Feb-16-05 01:15 PM |
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I'm sure you've seen this, but just in case... |
John BigBootay |
Feb-16-05 01:37 PM |
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The findings are only "controversial" to industry funded "sceptics" |
Viking12 |
Feb-16-05 01:43 PM |
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I find them controversial-- and I'm not getting a paycheck |
John BigBootay |
Feb-16-05 02:01 PM |
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Delete: Dupe |
Viking12 |
Feb-16-05 02:11 PM |
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If the truth doesn't win converts, nothing will. |
Viking12 |
Feb-16-05 02:12 PM |
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The Hockey Stick was massively influential |
John BigBootay |
Feb-16-05 04:09 PM |
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Scientists in the late seventies predicted Ice Age? |
Viking12 |
Feb-16-05 05:31 PM |
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Again-- don't know how old you are, but if you were alive and aware-- |
John BigBootay |
Feb-17-05 02:15 PM |
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You didn't read his link, did you? |
trotsky |
Feb-17-05 03:19 PM |
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A few isolated quotes, most of them from news sources not scientific lit |
Viking12 |
Feb-17-05 05:30 PM |
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Maybe you just like driving a big obnoxious SUV. |
impeachdubya |
Feb-17-05 02:59 AM |
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I drive a New-Beetle, smartass-- |
John BigBootay |
Feb-17-05 01:40 PM |
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Nice, did you get permission from the AEI to use that line of BS? |
Viking12 |
Feb-17-05 05:43 PM |
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Well we can do "research" until the cows come home. |
impeachdubya |
Feb-17-05 07:36 PM |
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your mainstream opinion |
NCN007 |
Feb-17-05 08:20 PM |
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No the website I link is hosted by actual working climate scientists |
Viking12 |
Feb-17-05 10:44 PM |
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CHina may be exempt but they are still cutting emissions |
PaulaFarrell |
Feb-16-05 01:53 PM |
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Hey! Buckaroo Banzai?? |
Lindacooks |
Feb-16-05 02:51 PM |
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"It's Boo-TAY! TAY! TAY! TAY!" Brrzzaaappp!!! Classic. n/t |
John BigBootay |
Feb-16-05 04:55 PM |
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Why is adapting out of a finite, expensive and polluting power source |
impeachdubya |
Feb-17-05 03:01 AM |
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Actually, it's not even evidence of climate change |
atre |
Feb-17-05 06:14 PM |
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Hey, take a look at Portage Glacier (near Alyeska) AK |
EVDebs |
Feb-16-05 10:18 AM |
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I was there 30 years ago. |
Twillig |
Feb-16-05 11:01 AM |
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Portage Glacier is shocking |
Blue_In_AK |
Feb-16-05 12:35 PM |
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They'll just say it's summer and winter |
TheFarseer |
Feb-16-05 10:20 AM |
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Exactly. |
trotsky |
Feb-16-05 10:25 AM |
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That's almost happened before...86 years ago |
Squatch |
Feb-16-05 10:28 AM |
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wow. okay, show them the pic, and those stats. nt |
Hell in a Handbasket |
Feb-16-05 10:31 AM |
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And show them that a lot of the temp extremes in MT |
Squatch |
Feb-16-05 10:33 AM |
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You're the one using the extremes incorrectly. |
trotsky |
Feb-16-05 10:39 AM |
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Warm temps are not impossible - I never said they were. |
trotsky |
Feb-16-05 10:36 AM |
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Just itching to pigeonhole me, aren't you? |
Squatch |
Feb-16-05 10:40 AM |
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And you're trying to strawman me. |
trotsky |
Feb-16-05 10:45 AM |
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THAT was humor? |
Squatch |
Feb-16-05 10:46 AM |
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Likewise, albeit for different reasons. |
trotsky |
Feb-16-05 10:47 AM |
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Ha, ha, ha, ha...more humor? |
Squatch |
Feb-16-05 10:51 AM |
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You mean, other than calling you out? |
trotsky |
Feb-16-05 10:54 AM |
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Please, go right ahead..."call me out", as you put it. |
Squatch |
Feb-16-05 10:55 AM |
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You misuse statistics. |
trotsky |
Feb-16-05 11:00 AM |
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Let's take these one at a time, shall we? |
Squatch |
Feb-16-05 11:05 AM |
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I did my homework. |
trotsky |
Feb-16-05 11:12 AM |
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Glacial retreat is a serious problem |
NewYorkerfromMass |
Feb-16-05 10:36 AM |
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Drudge has this up. |
tasteblind |
Feb-16-05 10:59 AM |
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## PLEASE DONATE TO DEMOCRATIC UNDERGROUND! ## |
DU GrovelBot |
Feb-16-05 11:01 AM |
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2 possibilities |
maxsolomon |
Feb-16-05 12:25 PM |
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interesting news from Europe today |
PST |
Feb-16-05 12:53 PM |
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Well put. |
trotsky |
Feb-16-05 01:31 PM |
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The biggest change will be with Kilimanjaro... |
Emboldened Chimp |
Feb-16-05 01:32 PM |
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There was a great programme on PBS about that very thing recently... |
truebrit71 |
Feb-17-05 03:38 PM |
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Thanks for this post and the pictures. |
GoSolar |
Feb-16-05 01:46 PM |
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Be sure to check out Image Number 3 |
ComerPerro |
Feb-16-05 02:16 PM |
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my backyard does the same thing twice a year |
Fescue4u |
Feb-16-05 02:39 PM |
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your backyard is on Argentina's Upsala Glacier? |
PST |
Feb-16-05 02:45 PM |
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I said my back yard DOES THIS |
Fescue4u |
Feb-16-05 02:46 PM |
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what are you trying to say? |
PST |
Feb-16-05 02:48 PM |
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Im saying |
Fescue4u |
Feb-16-05 03:39 PM |
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that's why they mentioned the glacier.. |
PST |
Feb-16-05 03:45 PM |
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fair enough. |
Fescue4u |
Feb-17-05 08:49 AM |
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You have glaciers receding in your backyard twice a year? |
Viking12 |
Feb-16-05 02:51 PM |
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See above |
Fescue4u |
Feb-16-05 03:40 PM |
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Are you being deliberately obtuse? |
trotsky |
Feb-16-05 10:09 PM |
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NO. |
Fescue4u |
Feb-17-05 01:35 AM |
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Jeezus |
Lorien |
Feb-17-05 01:42 AM |
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of course I know what I glacier is |
Fescue4u |
Feb-17-05 08:37 AM |
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It is clearly a glacier |
Lorien |
Feb-17-05 01:50 PM |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Feb-17-05 07:33 AM |
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Yes please attack me. |
Fescue4u |
Feb-17-05 08:46 AM |
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Allow me to enlighten you. |
trotsky |
Feb-17-05 08:51 AM |
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Thank you |
Fescue4u |
Feb-17-05 08:55 AM |
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If that's what it takes for you to save face. |
trotsky |
Feb-17-05 09:05 AM |
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and you called my obtuse |
Fescue4u |
Feb-17-05 09:09 AM |
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I asked if you were being *deliberately* obtuse. |
trotsky |
Feb-17-05 09:16 AM |
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whatever |
Fescue4u |
Feb-17-05 09:37 AM |
#118 |
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"and keep wondering why no one takes global warning seriously." |
Toots |
Feb-17-05 10:27 AM |
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Do you have any idea how DEEP that glacier was? |
NickB79 |
Feb-17-05 06:00 AM |
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Not from the photo |
Fescue4u |
Feb-17-05 08:52 AM |
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Based on the size of the central mountain in both pictures |
NickB79 |
Feb-17-05 03:31 PM |
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yes, but how often does a glacier turn into a lake, and then back into a |
Hell in a Handbasket |
Feb-17-05 09:39 AM |
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The issue is NOT whether the globe is warming |
Jacobin |
Feb-16-05 03:01 PM |
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Bill Moyers scared the hell out of me |
PST |
Feb-16-05 03:13 PM |
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Moyers and Grist later withdrew their comments... |
airfoil |
Feb-17-05 12:31 AM |
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Devastating |
dpibel |
Feb-17-05 01:23 AM |
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But... |
airfoil |
Feb-17-05 02:47 AM |
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Unfortunately, the Watt quotes haven't yet been attributable |
Viking12 |
Feb-17-05 06:34 PM |
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We SHOULD be scared |
Lorien |
Feb-17-05 01:40 AM |
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From what I've heard... |
twenty2strings |
Feb-17-05 08:57 AM |
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Whoops! |
rowire |
Feb-17-05 03:36 PM |
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the whole website doesnt hurt, either. |
Hell in a Handbasket |
Feb-17-05 04:05 PM |
#130 |
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send it to : |
libodem |
Feb-17-05 06:18 PM |
#136 |
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The Bushies think Jebus will rapture them away from this |
donheld |
Feb-17-05 11:13 PM |
#141 |
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