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Wed Feb-16-05 05:31 PM
Response to Reply #83 |
| 86. Scientists in the late seventies predicted Ice Age? |
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I'll bet that is news to the scientists: The Global Cooling Myth. http://www.realclimate.org/index.php?p=94 |
| -Show this to your friends who dont believe in global warming...irrefutable |
Hell in a Handbasket |
Feb-16-05 10:02 AM |
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Wow... where is that? n/t |
trotsky |
Feb-16-05 10:08 AM |
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Here, |
Dark |
Feb-16-05 12:29 PM |
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Over the years I've watched the event depicted in the third picture occur. |
Freebird12004 |
Feb-17-05 06:37 AM |
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Upsala Glacier, Argentina (nt) |
zwielicht |
Feb-17-05 05:46 PM |
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Can you tell us where this is located? |
classof56 |
Feb-16-05 10:10 AM |
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Why sad? |
Squatch |
Feb-16-05 10:12 AM |
#4 |
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Hmmm...now that you mention it... |
classof56 |
Feb-16-05 10:30 AM |
#11 |
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Mother Earth has been a lot hotter in the past |
Squatch |
Feb-16-05 10:32 AM |
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But we're entering a period in history where there is going to be more CO2 |
Salviati |
Feb-16-05 10:45 AM |
#21 |
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Really? |
Squatch |
Feb-16-05 10:50 AM |
#24 |
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I'm trying to remember facts presented during a colloquium I attended... |
Salviati |
Feb-16-05 12:12 PM |
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Cool, here's the guys webpage, with links to the presentation: |
Salviati |
Feb-16-05 12:23 PM |
#38 |
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No, this is not true. |
fat free goodness |
Feb-16-05 01:05 PM |
#46 |
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You're off by about 100 PPMV |
hatrack |
Feb-16-05 01:09 PM |
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My mistake. I edited for brevity and transposed. |
fat free goodness |
Feb-16-05 01:38 PM |
#54 |
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How about an actual scientific article? |
Viking12 |
Feb-16-05 01:46 PM |
#56 |
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Most records agree. |
fat free goodness |
Feb-16-05 02:42 PM |
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You're charging at windmills (pun intended) |
Viking12 |
Feb-16-05 02:49 PM |
#73 |
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No strawman - II was responding directly to a post. |
fat free goodness |
Feb-16-05 07:00 PM |
#87 |
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You're sort of right |
Viking12 |
Feb-16-05 08:30 PM |
#89 |
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Except... |
fat free goodness |
Feb-17-05 08:23 AM |
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That page appears to have its own bias. |
trotsky |
Feb-16-05 01:49 PM |
#58 |
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Agreed. |
fat free goodness |
Feb-16-05 02:16 PM |
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Then you should be able to measure and identify those other factors |
Viking12 |
Feb-16-05 01:19 PM |
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In other words, come up with a complete |
fat free goodness |
Feb-16-05 02:12 PM |
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You don't need a grant. You just need to read. |
Viking12 |
Feb-16-05 02:17 PM |
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I understand there is |
fat free goodness |
Feb-16-05 07:03 PM |
#88 |
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So if we don't know everything, we know nothing? |
Viking12 |
Feb-16-05 08:33 PM |
#90 |
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That's not what I said. |
fat free goodness |
Feb-17-05 08:17 AM |
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No one looks at it in isolation, so what's your point? |
Viking12 |
Feb-17-05 09:42 AM |
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refute what ? |
fat free goodness |
Feb-17-05 03:42 PM |
#129 |
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Yes or no? |
Viking12 |
Feb-17-05 05:40 PM |
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I'm not being evasive. |
fat free goodness |
Feb-18-05 10:16 AM |
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Perhaps you should read up on non-linear systems |
Viking12 |
Feb-18-05 11:07 AM |
#143 |
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Again, you seem to be responding to someone other than me. |
fat free goodness |
Feb-18-05 04:32 PM |
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Your faux indignation is amusing if not frustrating. |
Viking12 |
Feb-18-05 07:06 PM |
#145 |
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Picture 2 to picture 1 |
trotsky |
Feb-16-05 02:29 PM |
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WOW, Any good EASY reading for those who want more info. |
caligirl |
Feb-16-05 02:56 PM |
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This is pretty good. |
trotsky |
Feb-16-05 03:03 PM |
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This was really interesting, Thanks for the link. Bookmarked this one.. |
caligirl |
Feb-16-05 04:14 PM |
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The Ordovician Period was pulled out of an ice age by increased CO2 |
NickB79 |
Feb-17-05 06:15 AM |
#102 |
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But Nick, that article was published in a peer-reviewed journal |
Viking12 |
Feb-17-05 07:05 AM |
#104 |
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I'm sure you're right. She'll reclaim nicely in a few millenia... |
classof56 |
Feb-16-05 10:58 AM |
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Hmm...what are those? |
Squatch |
Feb-16-05 11:00 AM |
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She'll be fine. It's the people that I'm worried about. |
Viking12 |
Feb-16-05 12:27 PM |
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She'll be alright |
PaulaFarrell |
Feb-16-05 01:34 PM |
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Right. The important thing is that no one stop us from driving our Hummers |
impeachdubya |
Feb-17-05 02:53 AM |
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Ozone depetion and global warming are two seperate ways we've screwed... |
Salviati |
Feb-16-05 10:41 AM |
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Ozone depletion is a different problem; don't mix them up |
JHB |
Feb-16-05 12:26 PM |
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here's the link. |
Hell in a Handbasket |
Feb-16-05 10:23 AM |
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we know this administration doesn't give a fuck |
PST |
Feb-16-05 10:27 AM |
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Yeah, that alone should convice even the most die-hard skeptic. |
Squatch |
Feb-16-05 10:11 AM |
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how many will it take to convince you?? (nt) |
freeplessinseattle |
Feb-16-05 11:33 AM |
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I look at the evidence scientifically and not politically... |
John BigBootay |
Feb-16-05 12:37 PM |
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A) The "hockey stick has not been, "convincingly disputed" |
Viking12 |
Feb-16-05 01:15 PM |
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I'm sure you've seen this, but just in case... |
John BigBootay |
Feb-16-05 01:37 PM |
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The findings are only "controversial" to industry funded "sceptics" |
Viking12 |
Feb-16-05 01:43 PM |
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I find them controversial-- and I'm not getting a paycheck |
John BigBootay |
Feb-16-05 02:01 PM |
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Delete: Dupe |
Viking12 |
Feb-16-05 02:11 PM |
#61 |
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If the truth doesn't win converts, nothing will. |
Viking12 |
Feb-16-05 02:12 PM |
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The Hockey Stick was massively influential |
John BigBootay |
Feb-16-05 04:09 PM |
#83 |
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Scientists in the late seventies predicted Ice Age? |
Viking12 |
Feb-16-05 05:31 PM |
#86 |
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Again-- don't know how old you are, but if you were alive and aware-- |
John BigBootay |
Feb-17-05 02:15 PM |
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You didn't read his link, did you? |
trotsky |
Feb-17-05 03:19 PM |
#125 |
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A few isolated quotes, most of them from news sources not scientific lit |
Viking12 |
Feb-17-05 05:30 PM |
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Maybe you just like driving a big obnoxious SUV. |
impeachdubya |
Feb-17-05 02:59 AM |
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I drive a New-Beetle, smartass-- |
John BigBootay |
Feb-17-05 01:40 PM |
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Nice, did you get permission from the AEI to use that line of BS? |
Viking12 |
Feb-17-05 05:43 PM |
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Well we can do "research" until the cows come home. |
impeachdubya |
Feb-17-05 07:36 PM |
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your mainstream opinion |
NCN007 |
Feb-17-05 08:20 PM |
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No the website I link is hosted by actual working climate scientists |
Viking12 |
Feb-17-05 10:44 PM |
#140 |
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CHina may be exempt but they are still cutting emissions |
PaulaFarrell |
Feb-16-05 01:53 PM |
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Hey! Buckaroo Banzai?? |
Lindacooks |
Feb-16-05 02:51 PM |
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"It's Boo-TAY! TAY! TAY! TAY!" Brrzzaaappp!!! Classic. n/t |
John BigBootay |
Feb-16-05 04:55 PM |
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Why is adapting out of a finite, expensive and polluting power source |
impeachdubya |
Feb-17-05 03:01 AM |
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Actually, it's not even evidence of climate change |
atre |
Feb-17-05 06:14 PM |
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Hey, take a look at Portage Glacier (near Alyeska) AK |
EVDebs |
Feb-16-05 10:18 AM |
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I was there 30 years ago. |
Twillig |
Feb-16-05 11:01 AM |
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Portage Glacier is shocking |
Blue_In_AK |
Feb-16-05 12:35 PM |
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They'll just say it's summer and winter |
TheFarseer |
Feb-16-05 10:20 AM |
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Exactly. |
trotsky |
Feb-16-05 10:25 AM |
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That's almost happened before...86 years ago |
Squatch |
Feb-16-05 10:28 AM |
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wow. okay, show them the pic, and those stats. nt |
Hell in a Handbasket |
Feb-16-05 10:31 AM |
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And show them that a lot of the temp extremes in MT |
Squatch |
Feb-16-05 10:33 AM |
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You're the one using the extremes incorrectly. |
trotsky |
Feb-16-05 10:39 AM |
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Warm temps are not impossible - I never said they were. |
trotsky |
Feb-16-05 10:36 AM |
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Just itching to pigeonhole me, aren't you? |
Squatch |
Feb-16-05 10:40 AM |
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And you're trying to strawman me. |
trotsky |
Feb-16-05 10:45 AM |
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THAT was humor? |
Squatch |
Feb-16-05 10:46 AM |
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Likewise, albeit for different reasons. |
trotsky |
Feb-16-05 10:47 AM |
#23 |
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Ha, ha, ha, ha...more humor? |
Squatch |
Feb-16-05 10:51 AM |
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You mean, other than calling you out? |
trotsky |
Feb-16-05 10:54 AM |
#26 |
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Please, go right ahead..."call me out", as you put it. |
Squatch |
Feb-16-05 10:55 AM |
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You misuse statistics. |
trotsky |
Feb-16-05 11:00 AM |
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Let's take these one at a time, shall we? |
Squatch |
Feb-16-05 11:05 AM |
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I did my homework. |
trotsky |
Feb-16-05 11:12 AM |
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Glacial retreat is a serious problem |
NewYorkerfromMass |
Feb-16-05 10:36 AM |
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Drudge has this up. |
tasteblind |
Feb-16-05 10:59 AM |
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## PLEASE DONATE TO DEMOCRATIC UNDERGROUND! ## |
DU GrovelBot |
Feb-16-05 11:01 AM |
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2 possibilities |
maxsolomon |
Feb-16-05 12:25 PM |
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interesting news from Europe today |
PST |
Feb-16-05 12:53 PM |
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Well put. |
trotsky |
Feb-16-05 01:31 PM |
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The biggest change will be with Kilimanjaro... |
Emboldened Chimp |
Feb-16-05 01:32 PM |
#51 |
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There was a great programme on PBS about that very thing recently... |
truebrit71 |
Feb-17-05 03:38 PM |
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Thanks for this post and the pictures. |
GoSolar |
Feb-16-05 01:46 PM |
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Be sure to check out Image Number 3 |
ComerPerro |
Feb-16-05 02:16 PM |
#64 |
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my backyard does the same thing twice a year |
Fescue4u |
Feb-16-05 02:39 PM |
#68 |
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your backyard is on Argentina's Upsala Glacier? |
PST |
Feb-16-05 02:45 PM |
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I said my back yard DOES THIS |
Fescue4u |
Feb-16-05 02:46 PM |
#71 |
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what are you trying to say? |
PST |
Feb-16-05 02:48 PM |
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Im saying |
Fescue4u |
Feb-16-05 03:39 PM |
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that's why they mentioned the glacier.. |
PST |
Feb-16-05 03:45 PM |
#82 |
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fair enough. |
Fescue4u |
Feb-17-05 08:49 AM |
#110 |
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You have glaciers receding in your backyard twice a year? |
Viking12 |
Feb-16-05 02:51 PM |
#75 |
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See above |
Fescue4u |
Feb-16-05 03:40 PM |
#81 |
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Are you being deliberately obtuse? |
trotsky |
Feb-16-05 10:09 PM |
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NO. |
Fescue4u |
Feb-17-05 01:35 AM |
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Jeezus |
Lorien |
Feb-17-05 01:42 AM |
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of course I know what I glacier is |
Fescue4u |
Feb-17-05 08:37 AM |
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It is clearly a glacier |
Lorien |
Feb-17-05 01:50 PM |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Feb-17-05 07:33 AM |
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Yes please attack me. |
Fescue4u |
Feb-17-05 08:46 AM |
#109 |
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Allow me to enlighten you. |
trotsky |
Feb-17-05 08:51 AM |
#111 |
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Thank you |
Fescue4u |
Feb-17-05 08:55 AM |
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If that's what it takes for you to save face. |
trotsky |
Feb-17-05 09:05 AM |
#115 |
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and you called my obtuse |
Fescue4u |
Feb-17-05 09:09 AM |
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I asked if you were being *deliberately* obtuse. |
trotsky |
Feb-17-05 09:16 AM |
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whatever |
Fescue4u |
Feb-17-05 09:37 AM |
#118 |
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"and keep wondering why no one takes global warning seriously." |
Toots |
Feb-17-05 10:27 AM |
#121 |
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Do you have any idea how DEEP that glacier was? |
NickB79 |
Feb-17-05 06:00 AM |
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Not from the photo |
Fescue4u |
Feb-17-05 08:52 AM |
#112 |
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Based on the size of the central mountain in both pictures |
NickB79 |
Feb-17-05 03:31 PM |
#126 |
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yes, but how often does a glacier turn into a lake, and then back into a |
Hell in a Handbasket |
Feb-17-05 09:39 AM |
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The issue is NOT whether the globe is warming |
Jacobin |
Feb-16-05 03:01 PM |
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Bill Moyers scared the hell out of me |
PST |
Feb-16-05 03:13 PM |
#79 |
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Moyers and Grist later withdrew their comments... |
airfoil |
Feb-17-05 12:31 AM |
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Devastating |
dpibel |
Feb-17-05 01:23 AM |
#93 |
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But... |
airfoil |
Feb-17-05 02:47 AM |
#97 |
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Unfortunately, the Watt quotes haven't yet been attributable |
Viking12 |
Feb-17-05 06:34 PM |
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We SHOULD be scared |
Lorien |
Feb-17-05 01:40 AM |
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From what I've heard... |
twenty2strings |
Feb-17-05 08:57 AM |
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Whoops! |
rowire |
Feb-17-05 03:36 PM |
#127 |
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the whole website doesnt hurt, either. |
Hell in a Handbasket |
Feb-17-05 04:05 PM |
#130 |
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send it to : |
libodem |
Feb-17-05 06:18 PM |
#136 |
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The Bushies think Jebus will rapture them away from this |
donheld |
Feb-17-05 11:13 PM |
#141 |
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