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Pushed To The Left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-12-05 03:02 AM
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52. Excellent point!
People in power profiting. That's what conservatism is all about!
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  -Minimum wage, the working poor, and the creation of the criminal class beyurslf  Feb-11-05 05:37 PM   #0 
  - But  Tux   Feb-11-05 05:43 PM   #1 
  - I never have understood the whole "fine thing"  BlueJazz   Feb-11-05 05:46 PM   #2 
  - I don't understand the idea that you don't pay a fine so we suspend  beyurslf   Feb-11-05 05:48 PM   #3 
  - What's sad is that many of those folks  geniph   Feb-11-05 06:54 PM   #28 
  - Some Scandinavian countries have  RoeBear   Feb-11-05 06:13 PM   #8 
  - Devi's advocate here.  candy   Feb-11-05 05:49 PM   #4 
  - not everybody has the same level of personal and financial responsibility  Pepperbelly   Feb-11-05 05:55 PM   #5 
  - delete  The Flaming Red Head   Feb-13-05 05:48 AM   #99 
  - I worked in child welfare. I can't tell you how often something like this  beyurslf   Feb-11-05 06:01 PM   #6 
  - I don't know how old you are, but being 'poor' in the 50's 60's and 70's  angstlessk   Feb-11-05 06:10 PM   #7 
  - Welcome angstlessk!  ultraist   Feb-11-05 06:23 PM   #11 
  - Thank you for the welcome. I remember when the women's movement  angstlessk   Feb-11-05 06:33 PM   #15 
  - I appreciate your sharing a snapshot of reality.  Just Me   Feb-11-05 06:53 PM   #27 
     - Thank you for the welcome. There are a gazillion business digests  angstlessk   Feb-11-05 07:20 PM   #35 
        - Labor owning the factory  RoeBear   Feb-12-05 08:26 PM   #85 
  - I work two jobs  xmas74   Feb-12-05 05:36 AM   #56 
     - I Feel Ya  mermaid   Feb-13-05 01:10 PM   #107 
  - Affordable housing in urban areas is virtually nonexistent  lapislzi   Feb-11-05 06:29 PM   #13 
  - Thanks for the welcome. You do volunteer work. That is most admirable.  angstlessk   Feb-11-05 06:50 PM   #23 
  - I'm from LI originally  lapislzi   Feb-11-05 06:58 PM   #30 
  - Hell, even our police can't afford to live in the city of Seattle  geniph   Feb-11-05 06:50 PM   #24 
  - Good point! The apartment we lived in now probably has  candy   Feb-11-05 07:04 PM   #31 
  - Amen  MountainLaurel   Feb-11-05 09:09 PM   #43 
  - Amen! Far worse now.  eridani   Feb-11-05 11:18 PM   #50 
  - Plus jobs moved out of the city. Industry anyway.  Sterling   Feb-12-05 07:38 AM   #62 
  - One trip to the ER and your "back up money"  GreenPoet64   Feb-11-05 06:37 PM   #16 
  - where did this back-up money come from?  amazona   Feb-11-05 06:40 PM   #19 
  - And the poor people are often very generous  Nobody   Feb-12-05 08:44 AM   #66 
     - yes, too generous for their own good!  amazona   Feb-12-05 10:43 AM   #77 
  - She also had family and friends that would have helped her out of a scrape  Sterling   Feb-12-05 07:35 AM   #61 
  - Situational vs generational poverty:  LWolf   Feb-12-05 09:45 AM   #71 
  - (self deletes)  The Flaming Red Head   Feb-13-05 05:43 AM   #98 
  - I've said it before. Prisons = profit  lapislzi   Feb-11-05 06:17 PM   #9 
  - Yes indeed!  Blue State Native   Feb-11-05 06:50 PM   #25 
  - And it transfers economic resources  MountainLaurel   Feb-11-05 09:12 PM   #44 
  - Excellent point!  Pushed To The Left   Feb-12-05 03:02 AM   #52 
  - Indeed so. Whatever happened to rehabilitation?  Conservativesux   Feb-12-05 04:36 AM   #54 
  - As a society we value "punishment" over "justice."  lapislzi   Feb-12-05 09:50 AM   #73 
     - That would mean that * isnt really a Christian, wouldnt it?  Conservativesux   Feb-13-05 01:49 AM   #91 
  - self delete  The Flaming Red Head   Feb-13-05 05:58 AM   #100 
  - But if they arrest all the poor, who will clean their toilets?  Betsy Ross   Feb-11-05 06:18 PM   #10 
  - They will keep the borders porous so there is an endless flow  ultraist   Feb-11-05 06:28 PM   #12 
     - Ummm....no...  lapislzi   Feb-11-05 06:33 PM   #14 
        - That's interesting, they will just create whole towns that are safe  ultraist   Feb-11-05 07:50 PM   #39 
           - Exactly. The divide deepens  lapislzi   Feb-12-05 07:30 AM   #59 
              - Yes here in the city it's rich people rent or the projects.  Sterling   Feb-12-05 07:59 AM   #64 
              - There is little use for the so-called middle class in society any longer  lapislzi   Feb-12-05 09:46 AM   #72 
              - Areas of Harlem have been gentrified, Clinton's neighborhood  ultraist   Feb-13-05 01:34 AM   #88 
  - The War on Poverty.  Us vs Them   Feb-11-05 06:37 PM   #17 
  - The War on Poverty became the War on the Poor  lapislzi   Feb-11-05 06:52 PM   #26 
  - these are voters  PowerToThePeople   Feb-12-05 03:08 AM   #53 
     - OK, first, not all convicts lose voting rights permanently  lapislzi   Feb-12-05 09:57 AM   #74 
        - I was not "lumping"  PowerToThePeople   Feb-13-05 03:31 AM   #96 
  - Excellent, excellent post  kenzee13   Feb-11-05 06:39 PM   #18 
  - This post reminded me of a good book . . .  GreenPoet64   Feb-11-05 06:42 PM   #20 
  - Oh, God!!! I know!!! I've lived it, seen it. It's the "hidden America"!  Just Me   Feb-11-05 06:42 PM   #21 
  - nominated!  G_j   Feb-11-05 06:43 PM   #22 
  - It's hard to believe that such circumstances are tolerated in a "civil",..  Just Me   Feb-11-05 07:05 PM   #32 
  - What is "nominated" I have seen that a few times.  angstlessk   Feb-11-05 07:33 PM   #36 
     - Look at the bottom of the opening/first post  Lars39   Feb-11-05 07:36 PM   #37 
  - An Excellent Piece, Mr. Yrslf!  The Magistrate   Feb-11-05 06:55 PM   #29 
  - Well, they didn't take my children,  kdmorris   Feb-11-05 07:09 PM   #33 
  - There are tens of millions of Americans just like you.  Just Me   Feb-11-05 07:49 PM   #38 
     - That's something that makes me see red...  kdmorris   Feb-11-05 08:06 PM   #41 
     - exactly...not rare  ixion   Feb-11-05 10:26 PM   #46 
  - Stuff like this makes me crazy,  wildeyed   Feb-11-05 07:12 PM   #34 
  - 35.9 MILLION people live in poverty  ultraist   Feb-11-05 07:56 PM   #40 
  - How do you sort out  RoeBear   Feb-11-05 08:35 PM   #42 
     - You don't, addicts need treatment anyways...  Solon   Feb-11-05 11:08 PM   #48 
     - I consider the drug addicted to be truly needy, too,  wildeyed   Feb-12-05 07:25 AM   #57 
     - My thought was  RoeBear   Feb-12-05 09:19 AM   #67 
        - I guess I never considered that.  wildeyed   Feb-12-05 11:41 AM   #78 
           - No, it's not a prejudice on my part  RoeBear   Feb-12-05 11:46 AM   #79 
              - But what percentage of poor people actually do that?  wildeyed   Feb-12-05 11:52 AM   #80 
                 - I didn't suggest that they discriminate  RoeBear   Feb-12-05 12:02 PM   #83 
                    - Government help is not usually in the form of cash  ultraist   Feb-13-05 01:43 AM   #89 
                    - A drug addict is physically dependent on drugs.  Lars39   Feb-13-05 01:09 PM   #106 
                    - I'm far more concerned about the use of billions of taxpayer  Bouncy Ball   Feb-13-05 05:55 PM   #110 
     - Do the children of addicts not deserve homes and food? nt  LeftyMom   Feb-13-05 03:20 AM   #95 
  - According to the book "50 things you aren't supposed to know"  Democrat Dragon   Feb-11-05 09:21 PM   #45 
  - then her kid sufferes in foster car  KissMeKate   Feb-11-05 10:38 PM   #47 
  - Which is ANOTHER facet of this nightmare.  Bouncy Ball   Feb-13-05 05:57 PM   #111 
  - Ways in which the poor are screwed  Lydia Leftcoast   Feb-11-05 11:14 PM   #49 
  - An addendum  MountainLaurel   Feb-12-05 11:53 AM   #81 
  - Don't forget the pawn shops....  William Bloode   Feb-13-05 06:20 PM   #115 
  - The right wing is phony on crime!  Pushed To The Left   Feb-12-05 02:50 AM   #51 
  - Let us all not forget the white collar crime that goes unpunished.  Conservativesux   Feb-12-05 04:37 AM   #55 
  - I know a repuke state representative who has  Bouncy Ball   Feb-13-05 05:58 PM   #112 
  - This Is An Excellent Thread  stunted_evolution   Feb-12-05 07:27 AM   #58 
  - Welcome stunted_evolution!  ultraist   Feb-13-05 01:48 AM   #90 
  - I used to see this in traffic court in OKC.  Sterling   Feb-12-05 07:32 AM   #60 
  - attitudes.. why is the mindset so mean?  G_j   Feb-12-05 07:55 AM   #63 
  - Because old people are so mean.  BiggJawn   Feb-12-05 09:32 AM   #70 
     - are you for real? I love old people  ultraist   Feb-13-05 01:50 AM   #92 
     - No, it was an "Anti-Young People Law".  BiggJawn   Feb-13-05 12:54 PM   #103 
     - From my experience "grumpy" might be more fitting in cases :-)  G_j   Feb-13-05 01:03 PM   #105 
  - Wow, great post.  porkrind   Feb-12-05 08:42 AM   #65 
  - You have to pay to keep up a society  Mabel Dodge   Feb-12-05 09:25 AM   #68 
  - Exactly! I wish the "Freedom Isn't Free" crowd would remember that.  lapislzi   Feb-12-05 09:59 AM   #75 
     - I hear you bother/sister  Mabel Dodge   Feb-12-05 12:18 PM   #84 
  - You got your timeline messed up.  BiggJawn   Feb-12-05 09:28 AM   #69 
  - Don't forget the second cycle of poverty  RazzleCat   Feb-12-05 10:39 AM   #76 
  - And that "lousy 10 bucks" makes a difference.  BiggJawn   Feb-12-05 12:02 PM   #82 
  - blew her insurance payment & mortgage pymt at the Dollar store?  ultraist   Feb-13-05 01:54 AM   #93 
     - No, I'm a god-damn figment of your TV-infested imagination.  BiggJawn   Feb-13-05 01:01 PM   #104 
  - These working poor are potential voters  TNMOM   Feb-12-05 09:24 PM   #86 
  - this is one of the best threads I have ever read. Thanks  rodeodance   Feb-13-05 01:27 AM   #87 
  - Voter registration drives and transportation to the polls!  ultraist   Feb-13-05 01:56 AM   #94 
     - I helped to register 750 low-income voters before the November election.  Bouncy Ball   Feb-13-05 06:00 PM   #113 
  - delete  The Flaming Red Head   Feb-13-05 05:32 AM   #97 
  - It's going to get much worse.  Disturbed   Feb-13-05 06:11 AM   #101 
  - Press used to broadcast this kind of story. Where are they? Whores.  jazzjunkysue   Feb-13-05 10:02 AM   #102 
  - Hey I am just happy to have a thread on the Greatest page. Thanks  beyurslf   Feb-13-05 05:12 PM   #108 
  - Great example and thank you  Bouncy Ball   Feb-13-05 05:49 PM   #109 
     - John Edwards talked about the poor in his campaign..  Disturbed   Feb-13-05 06:17 PM   #114 
 

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