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The freepers said the last raise in the minimum would cause massive shock waves throughout the industry.
Make it 10 an hour and make all the friggin 3rd world assholes that are sucking this country dry come flocking in here to get the minimum wage...and let the corporate scum pay the wages....they can afford it.
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| -What should the Maximum Wage (Earnings/Wealth?) be? |
JanMichael |
Feb-04-05 08:39 PM |
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The maximum wage should be the most money you can earn |
Egalitariat |
Feb-04-05 08:43 PM |
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That's rather simplistic don't you think? |
JanMichael |
Feb-04-05 08:47 PM |
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Not if you democratize the economy. EOM |
K-W |
Feb-05-05 03:13 PM |
#184 |
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False |
tsuki |
Feb-05-05 12:35 AM |
#67 |
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Boy, it's hard to argue that*** |
Egalitariat |
Feb-05-05 08:54 AM |
#143 |
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I argue my point further down. |
tsuki |
Feb-05-05 12:21 PM |
#170 |
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Look at historical precedents for your answer |
Psephos |
Feb-04-05 08:48 PM |
#3 |
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You make a good point |
ProgressiveConn |
Feb-04-05 10:46 PM |
#47 |
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So do you n/t |
Psephos |
Feb-04-05 11:00 PM |
#52 |
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There are a few problems with that. |
lostinacause |
Feb-05-05 02:37 AM |
#84 |
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I'd say there are more problems with the unchecked corporatism |
ProgressiveConn |
Feb-05-05 04:25 AM |
#98 |
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No incentive...hmmm... |
tsuki |
Feb-05-05 06:37 AM |
#108 |
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It worked out fine |
idlisambar |
Feb-05-05 03:33 AM |
#91 |
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We are not speaking of inherited wealth. We are speaking here about |
tsuki |
Feb-05-05 06:23 AM |
#105 |
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It should never put people out of work n/t |
shadowknows69 |
Feb-05-05 02:37 PM |
#181 |
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Kenny-Boy Lay made 50 million in 2002. How are the Enron |
tsuki |
Feb-05-05 06:37 PM |
#195 |
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Why didn't it work out? |
klyon |
Feb-05-05 07:08 AM |
#120 |
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From what I've read, it incentivized cheating until it became endemic. |
Psephos |
Feb-05-05 12:35 PM |
#172 |
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You can't put a price on Freedom! |
kohodog |
Feb-04-05 08:49 PM |
#4 |
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Small Companies typically pay less and have worse benefits than large... |
JanMichael |
Feb-04-05 08:52 PM |
#5 |
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Read "When Corporations Rule the World" by David Korten |
kohodog |
Feb-04-05 09:05 PM |
#8 |
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Read "State and Revolution" by Lenin:-) |
JanMichael |
Feb-04-05 09:08 PM |
#11 |
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Unfortunately this isn't a web game and we're unwittlingly part of |
kohodog |
Feb-04-05 09:35 PM |
#16 |
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"Rice and Ammo" is my motto. |
JanMichael |
Feb-04-05 09:38 PM |
#18 |
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rice and beans is all I got |
kohodog |
Feb-04-05 09:46 PM |
#22 |
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I don't intend to flame you at all, but it's wrong to set a maximum. |
napi21 |
Feb-04-05 08:52 PM |
#6 |
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I'll be honest and say that I'm pretty blocked right now... |
JanMichael |
Feb-04-05 09:02 PM |
#7 |
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Don't confuse enterprise with wage. Entrepreneurs do not earn |
tsuki |
Feb-05-05 06:54 AM |
#113 |
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of course there can be a minimum without a maximum |
orangepeel68 |
Feb-04-05 09:07 PM |
#9 |
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The problem with a "livable" minimum wage |
lostinacause |
Feb-05-05 03:08 AM |
#87 |
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Are you an entrepreneur or do you receive a wage from |
tsuki |
Feb-05-05 07:02 AM |
#117 |
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What would the difference be? |
lostinacause |
Feb-05-05 01:48 PM |
#179 |
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Capitalism is all about enterprise, taking risks, reaping |
tsuki |
Feb-05-05 06:35 PM |
#194 |
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Not earning money. We are talking about wage. And there can |
tsuki |
Feb-05-05 06:56 AM |
#114 |
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$20.00 per hr. |
Lizzie Borden |
Feb-04-05 09:07 PM |
#10 |
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My father made more than that ... |
hack89 |
Feb-04-05 09:26 PM |
#14 |
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Oh no another leading question |
jdots |
Feb-04-05 10:09 PM |
#32 |
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That might be all you are worth |
jmowreader |
Feb-04-05 10:52 PM |
#50 |
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Why? |
lostinacause |
Feb-05-05 03:11 AM |
#88 |
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I ain't takin' a pay cut |
theboss |
Feb-05-05 03:16 PM |
#185 |
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We need more equality but not absolute equality |
ultraist |
Feb-04-05 09:11 PM |
#12 |
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Maximum wage is hard to frame and hard to sell |
Negatron |
Feb-04-05 09:16 PM |
#13 |
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Good points! Caps are not possible in a capitalist economy |
ultraist |
Feb-04-05 09:29 PM |
#15 |
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I'll tel you right now: Nader-like Reforms would slow the process. |
JanMichael |
Feb-04-05 09:36 PM |
#17 |
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Only 6% earn over $126, 525 and 1% earn over $285,000 |
ultraist |
Feb-04-05 09:45 PM |
#21 |
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Did you get those numbers from me???? |
JanMichael |
Feb-04-05 09:51 PM |
#25 |
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Not much shift for that income in the last two years |
ultraist |
Feb-04-05 10:00 PM |
#27 |
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I'm using this linked table: |
JanMichael |
Feb-04-05 10:11 PM |
#33 |
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That's USCB data that you linked |
ultraist |
Feb-04-05 10:33 PM |
#41 |
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$250,000 and above is lumped. |
JanMichael |
Feb-04-05 10:40 PM |
#43 |
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Thanks! |
ultraist |
Feb-04-05 10:59 PM |
#51 |
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I totally agree. No caps, just a progressive tax structure. |
Negatron |
Feb-04-05 09:50 PM |
#24 |
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LMAO Negatron!!! |
ultraist |
Feb-04-05 10:03 PM |
#29 |
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I don't find it a hard sell at all. At a time when the Republicans are |
tsuki |
Feb-05-05 07:13 AM |
#122 |
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I had a debate a couple years ago |
Kenneth ken |
Feb-04-05 09:39 PM |
#19 |
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Think of Shaquille O'Neill |
Yupster |
Feb-04-05 09:56 PM |
#26 |
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Are you serious??? Boo fucking hoo! A bad big toe to play a game? |
JanMichael |
Feb-04-05 10:02 PM |
#28 |
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Okay so you don't like Shaq |
Yupster |
Feb-04-05 10:25 PM |
#36 |
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So you're telling me that a mil is not enough to play all day long? |
ProgressiveConn |
Feb-04-05 11:02 PM |
#53 |
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No, I'm telling you that people are generally lazy |
Yupster |
Feb-05-05 01:15 AM |
#74 |
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Lazy and Greedy. |
ProgressiveConn |
Feb-05-05 04:07 AM |
#97 |
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Oh please.... you chose a weak analogy. Your idea that limiting |
Misunderestimator |
Feb-05-05 06:25 AM |
#106 |
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Consistent |
DemocratSinceBirth |
Feb-05-05 06:42 AM |
#110 |
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Huh? You totally lost me there. |
Misunderestimator |
Feb-05-05 06:47 AM |
#111 |
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This Whole Scheme Is Rediculous.... |
DemocratSinceBirth |
Feb-05-05 07:00 AM |
#115 |
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You're arguing with the wrong person, read post #116. |
Misunderestimator |
Feb-05-05 07:03 AM |
#119 |
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I Know You Aren't An Advocate Of This Scheme.... |
DemocratSinceBirth |
Feb-05-05 07:49 AM |
#134 |
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I doubt Shaquille Oneal |
Kenneth ken |
Feb-04-05 11:06 PM |
#55 |
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You don't think there'd be a team |
Yupster |
Feb-05-05 01:23 AM |
#77 |
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not if they could get a player |
Kenneth ken |
Feb-05-05 01:39 AM |
#78 |
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Yes there are a good dozen franchise players |
Yupster |
Feb-05-05 02:09 AM |
#79 |
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I liked the maximum wage question |
Kenneth ken |
Feb-05-05 02:20 AM |
#82 |
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Kobe And Shaq Would Just Go To Europe And Play... |
DemocratSinceBirth |
Feb-05-05 04:46 AM |
#100 |
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Thats total crap. |
William Bloode |
Feb-04-05 11:41 PM |
#59 |
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That's Total Crap |
DemocratSinceBirth |
Feb-05-05 04:37 AM |
#99 |
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Shaq's big toe, fans not coming, destroying the economy... is this parody? |
Misunderestimator |
Feb-05-05 06:21 AM |
#104 |
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Who's We-Kiemosabi? |
DemocratSinceBirth |
Feb-05-05 06:39 AM |
#109 |
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LMAO.... I'm not the one that brought Shaq into this.... |
Misunderestimator |
Feb-05-05 06:49 AM |
#112 |
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For the record... I am not in favor of a max wage. |
Misunderestimator |
Feb-05-05 07:01 AM |
#116 |
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No... ... Yupster's Argument Makes Some Sense... |
DemocratSinceBirth |
Feb-05-05 07:13 AM |
#123 |
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I agree, but I disagree about the dire straits of the people that would |
Misunderestimator |
Feb-05-05 07:23 AM |
#124 |
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I Agree... |
DemocratSinceBirth |
Feb-05-05 07:37 AM |
#130 |
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Why are you comparing entertainment with business and other labor? |
nothingshocksmeanymore |
Feb-05-05 11:52 AM |
#164 |
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Nice Taiji (yin/yang) symbol. |
Negatron |
Feb-04-05 10:03 PM |
#30 |
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I borrowed the mobile |
Kenneth ken |
Feb-04-05 11:19 PM |
#56 |
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you assume that there is $20 million in cash somewhere |
orangepeel68 |
Feb-04-05 10:18 PM |
#35 |
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nope, sorry. |
Kenneth ken |
Feb-04-05 11:31 PM |
#58 |
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yep. sorry. |
orangepeel68 |
Feb-04-05 11:58 PM |
#60 |
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oops |
Kenneth ken |
Feb-05-05 12:24 AM |
#64 |
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and if Shaq made less then the price of tickets might come down |
klyon |
Feb-05-05 08:14 AM |
#138 |
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I agree that it's really classless |
Yupster |
Feb-05-05 02:15 AM |
#80 |
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needs |
Kenneth ken |
Feb-05-05 02:55 AM |
#85 |
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I don't agree that enterprise, writing a bestseller, an inventor, |
tsuki |
Feb-05-05 07:26 AM |
#126 |
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If the athletes with short careers put their money in a trust |
klyon |
Feb-05-05 07:51 AM |
#135 |
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I always liked the Japanese thing about..... |
TheFarseer |
Feb-04-05 09:43 PM |
#20 |
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I don't think Barbra Streisand |
Yupster |
Feb-04-05 10:27 PM |
#37 |
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Well, the model has limitations but..... |
TheFarseer |
Feb-04-05 11:24 PM |
#57 |
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There are limitations, because |
Yupster |
Feb-05-05 02:20 AM |
#81 |
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Again, is Barbra taking the risk, putting together the package? |
tsuki |
Feb-05-05 07:35 AM |
#129 |
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Congratulations to the Japanese |
Negatron |
Feb-05-05 12:21 AM |
#63 |
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To clarify |
idlisambar |
Feb-05-05 12:33 AM |
#66 |
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You're suggesting that there should be a cap on the amount of |
Blue-Jay |
Feb-04-05 09:47 PM |
#23 |
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For me, I think |
OxQQme |
Feb-04-05 10:05 PM |
#31 |
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That's all relative. |
Blue-Jay |
Feb-04-05 10:16 PM |
#34 |
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Hey blue-jay |
Yupster |
Feb-04-05 10:30 PM |
#39 |
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A cap on wealth makes more sense to me |
Yupster |
Feb-04-05 10:28 PM |
#38 |
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Please explain. |
Blue-Jay |
Feb-04-05 10:31 PM |
#40 |
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The truly rich in America, |
Yupster |
Feb-04-05 10:40 PM |
#44 |
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I don't want to "go after" either group. |
Blue-Jay |
Feb-04-05 10:50 PM |
#49 |
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The freeps are likely citing this Limbaugh article: |
ultraist |
Feb-04-05 11:03 PM |
#54 |
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Inheritances are set to expire |
ultraist |
Feb-04-05 10:35 PM |
#42 |
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No. You can accumulate as much as you want as long as you |
tsuki |
Feb-05-05 07:39 AM |
#131 |
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it's not the exact amount that matters |
welshTerrier2 |
Feb-04-05 10:43 PM |
#45 |
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Infinity sounds like a good limit. |
high density |
Feb-04-05 10:44 PM |
#46 |
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I used to prepare taxes at an accounting firm. |
Starlight |
Feb-04-05 10:47 PM |
#48 |
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The rate should be no more than 1 to 5 |
Dirk39 |
Feb-04-05 11:59 PM |
#61 |
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That's nearly socialism |
ultraist |
Feb-05-05 12:20 AM |
#62 |
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Only 200k??? |
Dirk39 |
Feb-05-05 12:55 AM |
#69 |
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No way to socialism |
ultraist |
Feb-05-05 03:38 AM |
#94 |
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an old saying revisited |
klyon |
Feb-05-05 08:33 AM |
#140 |
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wow and if you ever run for president |
henrik larssonisking |
Feb-05-05 08:30 AM |
#139 |
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Then why did I go to law school, comrade? |
theboss |
Feb-05-05 03:19 PM |
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Feb-05-05 03:46 PM |
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I'm pretty sure I could find a few dozen people to replace him |
theboss |
Feb-07-05 08:35 AM |
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Feb-07-05 11:08 AM |
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There are people to replace me, but you can't find them in front of a 7-11 |
theboss |
Feb-07-05 11:48 AM |
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Feb-07-05 11:56 AM |
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Depends on the work |
DistantWind88 |
Feb-07-05 12:04 PM |
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Feb-07-05 12:49 PM |
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1 to 3 if you ask me. |
bob_weaver |
Feb-05-05 05:06 PM |
#191 |
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A maximum wage will not fly... |
idlisambar |
Feb-05-05 12:30 AM |
#65 |
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I think maximum wage works very well for Publicly Traded |
tsuki |
Feb-05-05 12:48 AM |
#68 |
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I agree with everything you say here... |
idlisambar |
Feb-05-05 01:13 AM |
#73 |
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I cannot find the link. I remember reading about it during the Big Bang |
tsuki |
Feb-05-05 06:20 AM |
#103 |
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Exactly. Just create several new high-end marginal rates, and we're there |
0rganism |
Feb-05-05 12:56 AM |
#70 |
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I would tighten those brackets a bit myself |
idlisambar |
Feb-05-05 01:04 AM |
#72 |
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No need. Compared to what we have now, it's plenty progressive |
0rganism |
Feb-05-05 05:26 PM |
#192 |
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30 times the minimum paid by the company |
sweetheart |
Feb-05-05 12:58 AM |
#71 |
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If there was a cap, it should be tied to min wage |
Negatron |
Feb-05-05 01:15 AM |
#75 |
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I'd like to separate income from wealth |
ThorsHammer |
Feb-05-05 01:21 AM |
#76 |
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Why? It would do nothing beyond making everyone worse off |
lostinacause |
Feb-05-05 02:28 AM |
#83 |
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the reasoning |
idlisambar |
Feb-05-05 03:14 AM |
#89 |
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A country's total wealth is determined by what it produces. |
lostinacause |
Feb-05-05 03:29 AM |
#90 |
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some issues with this argument |
idlisambar |
Feb-05-05 03:58 AM |
#96 |
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In response |
lostinacause |
Feb-05-05 01:42 PM |
#178 |
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"Assuming there is no market failure" |
idlisambar |
Feb-05-05 05:27 PM |
#193 |
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little market failure |
lostinacause |
Feb-08-05 07:37 PM |
#205 |
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10 times the minimum wage |
leftofthedial |
Feb-05-05 03:02 AM |
#86 |
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HAHAHAHA!!!! |
ultraist |
Feb-05-05 03:35 AM |
#93 |
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Minimium wage should be enough to provide for children and mortgage. |
rman |
Feb-05-05 06:04 AM |
#101 |
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Minimum wage SHOULD be enough to provide for children and mortgage |
Misunderestimator |
Feb-05-05 06:33 AM |
#107 |
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why not set a both a realistic minimum wage and maximum wage? |
rman |
Feb-05-05 07:25 AM |
#125 |
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We absolutely should set a higher minimum wage, but limiting it |
Misunderestimator |
Feb-05-05 07:28 AM |
#127 |
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Well, obviously Europe should do the same |
rman |
Feb-05-05 07:40 AM |
#132 |
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I agree that there should be a debate about it... |
Misunderestimator |
Feb-05-05 08:06 AM |
#137 |
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fair min. and max. wage would be part of a broader program: |
rman |
Feb-05-05 09:00 AM |
#146 |
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You say "I think min and max wage should be on an hourly basis." |
Misunderestimator |
Feb-05-05 09:11 AM |
#148 |
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did you read all my post? |
rman |
Feb-05-05 09:17 AM |
#150 |
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Yes, I read that... and I agree that such socialism would allow for |
Misunderestimator |
Feb-05-05 09:32 AM |
#153 |
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Oh my god. The "Socialism in One Country v. Internationalism" argument! |
JanMichael |
Feb-05-05 09:36 AM |
#155 |
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Um.... ok. |
Misunderestimator |
Feb-05-05 09:39 AM |
#156 |
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Michael got excited when he read your post |
Thtwudbeme |
Feb-05-05 10:02 AM |
#159 |
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LOL.... :) |
Misunderestimator |
Feb-05-05 10:04 AM |
#160 |
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incentive would not be removed |
rman |
Feb-05-05 09:50 AM |
#158 |
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I think the comparisons being made in this thread are skewed a bit |
nothingshocksmeanymore |
Feb-05-05 11:58 AM |
#165 |
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Now that I agree with... |
Misunderestimator |
Feb-05-05 12:10 PM |
#166 |
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Your wages are already capped in a sense |
nothingshocksmeanymore |
Feb-05-05 12:16 PM |
#167 |
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True... |
Misunderestimator |
Feb-05-05 12:18 PM |
#168 |
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No and the caps need not be set that low...there's LOADS of room |
nothingshocksmeanymore |
Feb-05-05 12:20 PM |
#169 |
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Yep.... and the CEO of my company |
Misunderestimator |
Feb-05-05 12:25 PM |
#171 |
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I didn't see your edit before... |
Misunderestimator |
Feb-05-05 01:28 PM |
#175 |
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You are correct. Most people's incomes in the US economy are capped. |
JanMichael |
Feb-05-05 01:09 PM |
#173 |
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That's why repubs LIKE unemployment |
nothingshocksmeanymore |
Feb-05-05 01:15 PM |
#174 |
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to those people who would flee our country |
klyon |
Feb-05-05 08:54 AM |
#142 |
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Paying taxes and capping wages are entirely different things. |
Misunderestimator |
Feb-05-05 08:56 AM |
#144 |
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Huh |
DemocratSinceBirth |
Feb-05-05 07:09 AM |
#121 |
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$50,000 a year? not if minimum wage would be fair |
rman |
Feb-05-05 07:29 AM |
#128 |
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I Am All For Setting A Floor But Dead Set Against Setting A Ceiling.... |
DemocratSinceBirth |
Feb-05-05 07:43 AM |
#133 |
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why? |
rman |
Feb-05-05 08:02 AM |
#136 |
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Because Some Folks Harder Then Others And Deserve To Be Compensated.... |
DemocratSinceBirth |
Feb-05-05 08:45 AM |
#141 |
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nobody can work a million times as hard |
rman |
Feb-05-05 09:05 AM |
#147 |
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I know people personally (myself included) who work 100 times as |
Misunderestimator |
Feb-05-05 09:36 AM |
#154 |
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but the very rich are easily a million times more wealthy then the poor |
rman |
Feb-05-05 10:06 AM |
#161 |
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Yes, and they are that wealthy because of investments mainly, not wages |
Misunderestimator |
Feb-05-05 10:09 AM |
#162 |
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true. like i said: it would part of a broader program |
rman |
Feb-05-05 10:16 AM |
#163 |
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I have multiples of both, actually |
leftofthedial |
Feb-05-05 04:39 PM |
#189 |
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forget it |
DemocratSinceBirth |
Feb-05-05 07:02 AM |
#118 |
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That's absurd.... 3 times the minimum wage, max. |
bob_weaver |
Feb-05-05 05:06 PM |
#190 |
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It does not matter |
PowerToThePeople |
Feb-05-05 03:35 AM |
#92 |
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multi-billionaires are not bound to a specific currency |
rman |
Feb-05-05 06:06 AM |
#102 |
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You Answered Your Own Question... |
DemocratSinceBirth |
Feb-05-05 08:57 AM |
#145 |
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But they already do that |
rman |
Feb-05-05 09:12 AM |
#149 |
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It's A Matter Of Priorities... |
DemocratSinceBirth |
Feb-05-05 09:31 AM |
#152 |
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Not necessary |
Pushed To The Left |
Feb-05-05 03:42 AM |
#95 |
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I'd like to thank everyone for keeping this thread more or less civil. |
JanMichael |
Feb-05-05 09:21 AM |
#151 |
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So many people are shocked at an income or wealth cap |
Rockerdem |
Feb-05-05 09:44 AM |
#157 |
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Iceland essentially has a maximum wage |
fugue |
Feb-05-05 01:31 PM |
#176 |
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What about the self-employed? The artist? The musician and actor? |
mainer |
Feb-05-05 01:41 PM |
#177 |
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It is NOT possible to have incomes caps in a free market capitalist econ |
ultraist |
Feb-05-05 02:17 PM |
#180 |
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I don't think a maximum would do anything |
Pork Chop |
Feb-05-05 03:02 PM |
#182 |
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Four Star Rating JanMichael: great topic & facilitating a civil thread! |
ultraist |
Feb-05-05 03:12 PM |
#183 |
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Ok |
PowerToThePeople |
Feb-05-05 04:23 PM |
#188 |
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10 bucks an hour |
wadestock |
Feb-05-05 10:47 PM |
#196 |
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Because then The Kennedy's and Kerry's |
tralfaz |
Feb-07-05 06:56 PM |
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Thank god or whatever you want. |
JanMichael |
Feb-07-05 08:14 PM |
#204 |
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