| 50. That might be all you are worth |
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Those who have rare and sought-after skills should earn whatever they can convince someone to pay them.
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| -What should the Maximum Wage (Earnings/Wealth?) be? |
JanMichael |
Feb-04-05 08:39 PM |
#0 |
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The maximum wage should be the most money you can earn |
Egalitariat |
Feb-04-05 08:43 PM |
#1 |
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That's rather simplistic don't you think? |
JanMichael |
Feb-04-05 08:47 PM |
#2 |
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Not if you democratize the economy. EOM |
K-W |
Feb-05-05 03:13 PM |
#184 |
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False |
tsuki |
Feb-05-05 12:35 AM |
#67 |
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Boy, it's hard to argue that*** |
Egalitariat |
Feb-05-05 08:54 AM |
#143 |
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I argue my point further down. |
tsuki |
Feb-05-05 12:21 PM |
#170 |
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Look at historical precedents for your answer |
Psephos |
Feb-04-05 08:48 PM |
#3 |
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You make a good point |
ProgressiveConn |
Feb-04-05 10:46 PM |
#47 |
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So do you n/t |
Psephos |
Feb-04-05 11:00 PM |
#52 |
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There are a few problems with that. |
lostinacause |
Feb-05-05 02:37 AM |
#84 |
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I'd say there are more problems with the unchecked corporatism |
ProgressiveConn |
Feb-05-05 04:25 AM |
#98 |
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No incentive...hmmm... |
tsuki |
Feb-05-05 06:37 AM |
#108 |
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It worked out fine |
idlisambar |
Feb-05-05 03:33 AM |
#91 |
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We are not speaking of inherited wealth. We are speaking here about |
tsuki |
Feb-05-05 06:23 AM |
#105 |
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It should never put people out of work n/t |
shadowknows69 |
Feb-05-05 02:37 PM |
#181 |
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Kenny-Boy Lay made 50 million in 2002. How are the Enron |
tsuki |
Feb-05-05 06:37 PM |
#195 |
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Why didn't it work out? |
klyon |
Feb-05-05 07:08 AM |
#120 |
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From what I've read, it incentivized cheating until it became endemic. |
Psephos |
Feb-05-05 12:35 PM |
#172 |
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You can't put a price on Freedom! |
kohodog |
Feb-04-05 08:49 PM |
#4 |
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Small Companies typically pay less and have worse benefits than large... |
JanMichael |
Feb-04-05 08:52 PM |
#5 |
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Read "When Corporations Rule the World" by David Korten |
kohodog |
Feb-04-05 09:05 PM |
#8 |
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Read "State and Revolution" by Lenin:-) |
JanMichael |
Feb-04-05 09:08 PM |
#11 |
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Unfortunately this isn't a web game and we're unwittlingly part of |
kohodog |
Feb-04-05 09:35 PM |
#16 |
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"Rice and Ammo" is my motto. |
JanMichael |
Feb-04-05 09:38 PM |
#18 |
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rice and beans is all I got |
kohodog |
Feb-04-05 09:46 PM |
#22 |
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I don't intend to flame you at all, but it's wrong to set a maximum. |
napi21 |
Feb-04-05 08:52 PM |
#6 |
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I'll be honest and say that I'm pretty blocked right now... |
JanMichael |
Feb-04-05 09:02 PM |
#7 |
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Don't confuse enterprise with wage. Entrepreneurs do not earn |
tsuki |
Feb-05-05 06:54 AM |
#113 |
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of course there can be a minimum without a maximum |
orangepeel68 |
Feb-04-05 09:07 PM |
#9 |
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The problem with a "livable" minimum wage |
lostinacause |
Feb-05-05 03:08 AM |
#87 |
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Are you an entrepreneur or do you receive a wage from |
tsuki |
Feb-05-05 07:02 AM |
#117 |
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What would the difference be? |
lostinacause |
Feb-05-05 01:48 PM |
#179 |
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Capitalism is all about enterprise, taking risks, reaping |
tsuki |
Feb-05-05 06:35 PM |
#194 |
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Not earning money. We are talking about wage. And there can |
tsuki |
Feb-05-05 06:56 AM |
#114 |
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$20.00 per hr. |
Lizzie Borden |
Feb-04-05 09:07 PM |
#10 |
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My father made more than that ... |
hack89 |
Feb-04-05 09:26 PM |
#14 |
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Oh no another leading question |
jdots |
Feb-04-05 10:09 PM |
#32 |
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That might be all you are worth |
jmowreader |
Feb-04-05 10:52 PM |
#50 |
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Why? |
lostinacause |
Feb-05-05 03:11 AM |
#88 |
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I ain't takin' a pay cut |
theboss |
Feb-05-05 03:16 PM |
#185 |
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We need more equality but not absolute equality |
ultraist |
Feb-04-05 09:11 PM |
#12 |
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Maximum wage is hard to frame and hard to sell |
Negatron |
Feb-04-05 09:16 PM |
#13 |
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Good points! Caps are not possible in a capitalist economy |
ultraist |
Feb-04-05 09:29 PM |
#15 |
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I'll tel you right now: Nader-like Reforms would slow the process. |
JanMichael |
Feb-04-05 09:36 PM |
#17 |
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Only 6% earn over $126, 525 and 1% earn over $285,000 |
ultraist |
Feb-04-05 09:45 PM |
#21 |
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Did you get those numbers from me???? |
JanMichael |
Feb-04-05 09:51 PM |
#25 |
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Not much shift for that income in the last two years |
ultraist |
Feb-04-05 10:00 PM |
#27 |
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I'm using this linked table: |
JanMichael |
Feb-04-05 10:11 PM |
#33 |
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That's USCB data that you linked |
ultraist |
Feb-04-05 10:33 PM |
#41 |
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$250,000 and above is lumped. |
JanMichael |
Feb-04-05 10:40 PM |
#43 |
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Thanks! |
ultraist |
Feb-04-05 10:59 PM |
#51 |
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I totally agree. No caps, just a progressive tax structure. |
Negatron |
Feb-04-05 09:50 PM |
#24 |
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LMAO Negatron!!! |
ultraist |
Feb-04-05 10:03 PM |
#29 |
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I don't find it a hard sell at all. At a time when the Republicans are |
tsuki |
Feb-05-05 07:13 AM |
#122 |
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I had a debate a couple years ago |
Kenneth ken |
Feb-04-05 09:39 PM |
#19 |
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Think of Shaquille O'Neill |
Yupster |
Feb-04-05 09:56 PM |
#26 |
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Are you serious??? Boo fucking hoo! A bad big toe to play a game? |
JanMichael |
Feb-04-05 10:02 PM |
#28 |
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Okay so you don't like Shaq |
Yupster |
Feb-04-05 10:25 PM |
#36 |
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So you're telling me that a mil is not enough to play all day long? |
ProgressiveConn |
Feb-04-05 11:02 PM |
#53 |
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No, I'm telling you that people are generally lazy |
Yupster |
Feb-05-05 01:15 AM |
#74 |
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Lazy and Greedy. |
ProgressiveConn |
Feb-05-05 04:07 AM |
#97 |
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Oh please.... you chose a weak analogy. Your idea that limiting |
Misunderestimator |
Feb-05-05 06:25 AM |
#106 |
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Consistent |
DemocratSinceBirth |
Feb-05-05 06:42 AM |
#110 |
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Huh? You totally lost me there. |
Misunderestimator |
Feb-05-05 06:47 AM |
#111 |
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This Whole Scheme Is Rediculous.... |
DemocratSinceBirth |
Feb-05-05 07:00 AM |
#115 |
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You're arguing with the wrong person, read post #116. |
Misunderestimator |
Feb-05-05 07:03 AM |
#119 |
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I Know You Aren't An Advocate Of This Scheme.... |
DemocratSinceBirth |
Feb-05-05 07:49 AM |
#134 |
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I doubt Shaquille Oneal |
Kenneth ken |
Feb-04-05 11:06 PM |
#55 |
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You don't think there'd be a team |
Yupster |
Feb-05-05 01:23 AM |
#77 |
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not if they could get a player |
Kenneth ken |
Feb-05-05 01:39 AM |
#78 |
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Yes there are a good dozen franchise players |
Yupster |
Feb-05-05 02:09 AM |
#79 |
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I liked the maximum wage question |
Kenneth ken |
Feb-05-05 02:20 AM |
#82 |
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Kobe And Shaq Would Just Go To Europe And Play... |
DemocratSinceBirth |
Feb-05-05 04:46 AM |
#100 |
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Thats total crap. |
William Bloode |
Feb-04-05 11:41 PM |
#59 |
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That's Total Crap |
DemocratSinceBirth |
Feb-05-05 04:37 AM |
#99 |
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Shaq's big toe, fans not coming, destroying the economy... is this parody? |
Misunderestimator |
Feb-05-05 06:21 AM |
#104 |
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Who's We-Kiemosabi? |
DemocratSinceBirth |
Feb-05-05 06:39 AM |
#109 |
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LMAO.... I'm not the one that brought Shaq into this.... |
Misunderestimator |
Feb-05-05 06:49 AM |
#112 |
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For the record... I am not in favor of a max wage. |
Misunderestimator |
Feb-05-05 07:01 AM |
#116 |
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No... ... Yupster's Argument Makes Some Sense... |
DemocratSinceBirth |
Feb-05-05 07:13 AM |
#123 |
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I agree, but I disagree about the dire straits of the people that would |
Misunderestimator |
Feb-05-05 07:23 AM |
#124 |
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I Agree... |
DemocratSinceBirth |
Feb-05-05 07:37 AM |
#130 |
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Why are you comparing entertainment with business and other labor? |
nothingshocksmeanymore |
Feb-05-05 11:52 AM |
#164 |
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Nice Taiji (yin/yang) symbol. |
Negatron |
Feb-04-05 10:03 PM |
#30 |
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I borrowed the mobile |
Kenneth ken |
Feb-04-05 11:19 PM |
#56 |
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you assume that there is $20 million in cash somewhere |
orangepeel68 |
Feb-04-05 10:18 PM |
#35 |
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nope, sorry. |
Kenneth ken |
Feb-04-05 11:31 PM |
#58 |
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yep. sorry. |
orangepeel68 |
Feb-04-05 11:58 PM |
#60 |
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oops |
Kenneth ken |
Feb-05-05 12:24 AM |
#64 |
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and if Shaq made less then the price of tickets might come down |
klyon |
Feb-05-05 08:14 AM |
#138 |
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I agree that it's really classless |
Yupster |
Feb-05-05 02:15 AM |
#80 |
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needs |
Kenneth ken |
Feb-05-05 02:55 AM |
#85 |
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I don't agree that enterprise, writing a bestseller, an inventor, |
tsuki |
Feb-05-05 07:26 AM |
#126 |
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If the athletes with short careers put their money in a trust |
klyon |
Feb-05-05 07:51 AM |
#135 |
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I always liked the Japanese thing about..... |
TheFarseer |
Feb-04-05 09:43 PM |
#20 |
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I don't think Barbra Streisand |
Yupster |
Feb-04-05 10:27 PM |
#37 |
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Well, the model has limitations but..... |
TheFarseer |
Feb-04-05 11:24 PM |
#57 |
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There are limitations, because |
Yupster |
Feb-05-05 02:20 AM |
#81 |
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Again, is Barbra taking the risk, putting together the package? |
tsuki |
Feb-05-05 07:35 AM |
#129 |
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Congratulations to the Japanese |
Negatron |
Feb-05-05 12:21 AM |
#63 |
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To clarify |
idlisambar |
Feb-05-05 12:33 AM |
#66 |
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You're suggesting that there should be a cap on the amount of |
Blue-Jay |
Feb-04-05 09:47 PM |
#23 |
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For me, I think |
OxQQme |
Feb-04-05 10:05 PM |
#31 |
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That's all relative. |
Blue-Jay |
Feb-04-05 10:16 PM |
#34 |
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Hey blue-jay |
Yupster |
Feb-04-05 10:30 PM |
#39 |
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A cap on wealth makes more sense to me |
Yupster |
Feb-04-05 10:28 PM |
#38 |
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Please explain. |
Blue-Jay |
Feb-04-05 10:31 PM |
#40 |
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The truly rich in America, |
Yupster |
Feb-04-05 10:40 PM |
#44 |
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I don't want to "go after" either group. |
Blue-Jay |
Feb-04-05 10:50 PM |
#49 |
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The freeps are likely citing this Limbaugh article: |
ultraist |
Feb-04-05 11:03 PM |
#54 |
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Inheritances are set to expire |
ultraist |
Feb-04-05 10:35 PM |
#42 |
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No. You can accumulate as much as you want as long as you |
tsuki |
Feb-05-05 07:39 AM |
#131 |
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it's not the exact amount that matters |
welshTerrier2 |
Feb-04-05 10:43 PM |
#45 |
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Infinity sounds like a good limit. |
high density |
Feb-04-05 10:44 PM |
#46 |
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I used to prepare taxes at an accounting firm. |
Starlight |
Feb-04-05 10:47 PM |
#48 |
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The rate should be no more than 1 to 5 |
Dirk39 |
Feb-04-05 11:59 PM |
#61 |
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That's nearly socialism |
ultraist |
Feb-05-05 12:20 AM |
#62 |
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Only 200k??? |
Dirk39 |
Feb-05-05 12:55 AM |
#69 |
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No way to socialism |
ultraist |
Feb-05-05 03:38 AM |
#94 |
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an old saying revisited |
klyon |
Feb-05-05 08:33 AM |
#140 |
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wow and if you ever run for president |
henrik larssonisking |
Feb-05-05 08:30 AM |
#139 |
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Then why did I go to law school, comrade? |
theboss |
Feb-05-05 03:19 PM |
#186 |
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Feb-05-05 03:46 PM |
#187 |
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I'm pretty sure I could find a few dozen people to replace him |
theboss |
Feb-07-05 08:35 AM |
#197 |
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Feb-07-05 11:08 AM |
#198 |
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There are people to replace me, but you can't find them in front of a 7-11 |
theboss |
Feb-07-05 11:48 AM |
#199 |
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Feb-07-05 11:56 AM |
#200 |
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Depends on the work |
DistantWind88 |
Feb-07-05 12:04 PM |
#201 |
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Feb-07-05 12:49 PM |
#202 |
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1 to 3 if you ask me. |
bob_weaver |
Feb-05-05 05:06 PM |
#191 |
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A maximum wage will not fly... |
idlisambar |
Feb-05-05 12:30 AM |
#65 |
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I think maximum wage works very well for Publicly Traded |
tsuki |
Feb-05-05 12:48 AM |
#68 |
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I agree with everything you say here... |
idlisambar |
Feb-05-05 01:13 AM |
#73 |
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I cannot find the link. I remember reading about it during the Big Bang |
tsuki |
Feb-05-05 06:20 AM |
#103 |
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Exactly. Just create several new high-end marginal rates, and we're there |
0rganism |
Feb-05-05 12:56 AM |
#70 |
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I would tighten those brackets a bit myself |
idlisambar |
Feb-05-05 01:04 AM |
#72 |
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No need. Compared to what we have now, it's plenty progressive |
0rganism |
Feb-05-05 05:26 PM |
#192 |
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30 times the minimum paid by the company |
sweetheart |
Feb-05-05 12:58 AM |
#71 |
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If there was a cap, it should be tied to min wage |
Negatron |
Feb-05-05 01:15 AM |
#75 |
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I'd like to separate income from wealth |
ThorsHammer |
Feb-05-05 01:21 AM |
#76 |
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Why? It would do nothing beyond making everyone worse off |
lostinacause |
Feb-05-05 02:28 AM |
#83 |
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the reasoning |
idlisambar |
Feb-05-05 03:14 AM |
#89 |
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A country's total wealth is determined by what it produces. |
lostinacause |
Feb-05-05 03:29 AM |
#90 |
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some issues with this argument |
idlisambar |
Feb-05-05 03:58 AM |
#96 |
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In response |
lostinacause |
Feb-05-05 01:42 PM |
#178 |
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"Assuming there is no market failure" |
idlisambar |
Feb-05-05 05:27 PM |
#193 |
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little market failure |
lostinacause |
Feb-08-05 07:37 PM |
#205 |
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10 times the minimum wage |
leftofthedial |
Feb-05-05 03:02 AM |
#86 |
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HAHAHAHA!!!! |
ultraist |
Feb-05-05 03:35 AM |
#93 |
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Minimium wage should be enough to provide for children and mortgage. |
rman |
Feb-05-05 06:04 AM |
#101 |
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Minimum wage SHOULD be enough to provide for children and mortgage |
Misunderestimator |
Feb-05-05 06:33 AM |
#107 |
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why not set a both a realistic minimum wage and maximum wage? |
rman |
Feb-05-05 07:25 AM |
#125 |
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We absolutely should set a higher minimum wage, but limiting it |
Misunderestimator |
Feb-05-05 07:28 AM |
#127 |
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Well, obviously Europe should do the same |
rman |
Feb-05-05 07:40 AM |
#132 |
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I agree that there should be a debate about it... |
Misunderestimator |
Feb-05-05 08:06 AM |
#137 |
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fair min. and max. wage would be part of a broader program: |
rman |
Feb-05-05 09:00 AM |
#146 |
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You say "I think min and max wage should be on an hourly basis." |
Misunderestimator |
Feb-05-05 09:11 AM |
#148 |
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did you read all my post? |
rman |
Feb-05-05 09:17 AM |
#150 |
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Yes, I read that... and I agree that such socialism would allow for |
Misunderestimator |
Feb-05-05 09:32 AM |
#153 |
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Oh my god. The "Socialism in One Country v. Internationalism" argument! |
JanMichael |
Feb-05-05 09:36 AM |
#155 |
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Um.... ok. |
Misunderestimator |
Feb-05-05 09:39 AM |
#156 |
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Michael got excited when he read your post |
Thtwudbeme |
Feb-05-05 10:02 AM |
#159 |
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LOL.... :) |
Misunderestimator |
Feb-05-05 10:04 AM |
#160 |
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incentive would not be removed |
rman |
Feb-05-05 09:50 AM |
#158 |
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I think the comparisons being made in this thread are skewed a bit |
nothingshocksmeanymore |
Feb-05-05 11:58 AM |
#165 |
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Now that I agree with... |
Misunderestimator |
Feb-05-05 12:10 PM |
#166 |
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Your wages are already capped in a sense |
nothingshocksmeanymore |
Feb-05-05 12:16 PM |
#167 |
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True... |
Misunderestimator |
Feb-05-05 12:18 PM |
#168 |
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No and the caps need not be set that low...there's LOADS of room |
nothingshocksmeanymore |
Feb-05-05 12:20 PM |
#169 |
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Yep.... and the CEO of my company |
Misunderestimator |
Feb-05-05 12:25 PM |
#171 |
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I didn't see your edit before... |
Misunderestimator |
Feb-05-05 01:28 PM |
#175 |
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You are correct. Most people's incomes in the US economy are capped. |
JanMichael |
Feb-05-05 01:09 PM |
#173 |
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That's why repubs LIKE unemployment |
nothingshocksmeanymore |
Feb-05-05 01:15 PM |
#174 |
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to those people who would flee our country |
klyon |
Feb-05-05 08:54 AM |
#142 |
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Paying taxes and capping wages are entirely different things. |
Misunderestimator |
Feb-05-05 08:56 AM |
#144 |
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Huh |
DemocratSinceBirth |
Feb-05-05 07:09 AM |
#121 |
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$50,000 a year? not if minimum wage would be fair |
rman |
Feb-05-05 07:29 AM |
#128 |
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I Am All For Setting A Floor But Dead Set Against Setting A Ceiling.... |
DemocratSinceBirth |
Feb-05-05 07:43 AM |
#133 |
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why? |
rman |
Feb-05-05 08:02 AM |
#136 |
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Because Some Folks Harder Then Others And Deserve To Be Compensated.... |
DemocratSinceBirth |
Feb-05-05 08:45 AM |
#141 |
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nobody can work a million times as hard |
rman |
Feb-05-05 09:05 AM |
#147 |
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I know people personally (myself included) who work 100 times as |
Misunderestimator |
Feb-05-05 09:36 AM |
#154 |
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but the very rich are easily a million times more wealthy then the poor |
rman |
Feb-05-05 10:06 AM |
#161 |
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Yes, and they are that wealthy because of investments mainly, not wages |
Misunderestimator |
Feb-05-05 10:09 AM |
#162 |
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true. like i said: it would part of a broader program |
rman |
Feb-05-05 10:16 AM |
#163 |
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I have multiples of both, actually |
leftofthedial |
Feb-05-05 04:39 PM |
#189 |
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forget it |
DemocratSinceBirth |
Feb-05-05 07:02 AM |
#118 |
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That's absurd.... 3 times the minimum wage, max. |
bob_weaver |
Feb-05-05 05:06 PM |
#190 |
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It does not matter |
PowerToThePeople |
Feb-05-05 03:35 AM |
#92 |
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multi-billionaires are not bound to a specific currency |
rman |
Feb-05-05 06:06 AM |
#102 |
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You Answered Your Own Question... |
DemocratSinceBirth |
Feb-05-05 08:57 AM |
#145 |
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But they already do that |
rman |
Feb-05-05 09:12 AM |
#149 |
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It's A Matter Of Priorities... |
DemocratSinceBirth |
Feb-05-05 09:31 AM |
#152 |
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Not necessary |
Pushed To The Left |
Feb-05-05 03:42 AM |
#95 |
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I'd like to thank everyone for keeping this thread more or less civil. |
JanMichael |
Feb-05-05 09:21 AM |
#151 |
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So many people are shocked at an income or wealth cap |
Rockerdem |
Feb-05-05 09:44 AM |
#157 |
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Iceland essentially has a maximum wage |
fugue |
Feb-05-05 01:31 PM |
#176 |
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What about the self-employed? The artist? The musician and actor? |
mainer |
Feb-05-05 01:41 PM |
#177 |
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It is NOT possible to have incomes caps in a free market capitalist econ |
ultraist |
Feb-05-05 02:17 PM |
#180 |
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I don't think a maximum would do anything |
Pork Chop |
Feb-05-05 03:02 PM |
#182 |
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Four Star Rating JanMichael: great topic & facilitating a civil thread! |
ultraist |
Feb-05-05 03:12 PM |
#183 |
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Ok |
PowerToThePeople |
Feb-05-05 04:23 PM |
#188 |
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10 bucks an hour |
wadestock |
Feb-05-05 10:47 PM |
#196 |
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Because then The Kennedy's and Kerry's |
tralfaz |
Feb-07-05 06:56 PM |
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Thank god or whatever you want. |
JanMichael |
Feb-07-05 08:14 PM |
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