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Eloriel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-03 07:13 PM
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You two are wrong about that
The numbers aren't in for this quarter, but last quarter Dean only had $1500 from PACs, and what I saw wasn't broken out by what PACs, just "PACs." The overwhelming majority of his contributions have come from individuals, and I don't see him going after big business money at all.

In fact, quite the opposite: if they can "people-power" this campaign financially too, that's exactly the way they're going to go. And they talk about it now and then, too, along the lines of: what if we had a million people each giving $20?

I think too many non-Dean supportes think his "We're going to Take this country back" line is just so much cheap political rhetoric. If so, you'd be mistaken.

Eloriel
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  -Senior Fellow at Cato Institute Writes "The Appeal of Howard Dean" DemBones DemBones  Sep-09-03 02:32 PM   #0 
  - Maybe,  Brucey   Sep-09-03 02:36 PM   #1 
  - Are they referring to Clinton or Bush*?  Bandit   Sep-09-03 02:37 PM   #2 
  - And why not?  no name no slogan   Sep-09-03 02:41 PM   #3 
  - Exactly. Economic conservatives should be Republicans.  DemBones DemBones   Sep-09-03 02:51 PM   #5 
     - economic liberalism made this party great  JohnKleeb   Sep-09-03 02:52 PM   #9 
     - Take whose money?  TheYellowDog   Sep-09-03 02:57 PM   #14 
     - He supported electricity DEREGULATION?????  blm   Sep-09-03 03:50 PM   #61 
     - That's what the man said. And the article seems to be accurate.  DemBones DemBones   Sep-09-03 03:59 PM   #67 
     - the problem is...  deseo   Sep-09-03 06:01 PM   #101 
  - Dean is the real Bush*-lite  sangh0   Sep-09-03 02:49 PM   #4 
  - Sangha why are you attacking fellow Democrats?  ibegurpard   Sep-09-03 03:03 PM   #24 
     - I have no problem attacking Bush*-lite Dean  sangh0   Sep-09-03 03:09 PM   #31 
        - Funny  ibegurpard   Sep-09-03 03:11 PM   #32 
           - Maybe Dean shouldn't have unfairly called others Bushlite.  blm   Sep-09-03 05:30 PM   #93 
  - That proves it. If Moore is pumping Dean, too,  blm   Sep-09-03 02:51 PM   #6 
  - like any of us have a choice?  Magic Rat   Sep-09-03 02:52 PM   #7 
  - Sad, But True.  David Zephyr   Sep-09-03 02:53 PM   #10 
  - You two are wrong about that  Eloriel   Sep-09-03 07:13 PM   # 
  - ummm Gep isnt exactly corporate friendly  JohnKleeb   Sep-09-03 02:55 PM   #12 
  - I think you mean Franklin (not Teddy) Roosevelt  DemBones DemBones   Sep-09-03 02:59 PM   #19 
  - Look again, Rat....Kerry's goin after the robber barons  blm   Sep-09-03 03:05 PM   #27 
  - the only one who might challenge the business powers ... Edwards?  cosmicdot   Sep-09-03 03:30 PM   #45 
     - Kucinich doesnt have a chance  JohnKleeb   Sep-09-03 03:32 PM   #48 
  - Were we reading the same article?  denverbill   Sep-09-03 02:52 PM   #8 
  - Woo Hoo!  no name no slogan   Sep-09-03 03:04 PM   #26 
  - Yep  maxomai_vs_rove   Sep-09-03 02:55 PM   #11 
  - Kucinich's gay rights record  JohnKleeb   Sep-09-03 02:57 PM   #15 
  - Now list Kucinich's abortion rights record  Woodstock   Sep-09-03 03:37 PM   #53 
     - fine I will  JohnKleeb   Sep-09-03 03:39 PM   #56 
        - Great response!  Woodstock   Sep-09-03 04:40 PM   #79 
           - I try  JohnKleeb   Sep-09-03 04:46 PM   #81 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Sep-09-03 02:58 PM   #18 
  - thanks yellow  JohnKleeb   Sep-09-03 03:00 PM   #21 
  - Well I see that John  TheYellowDog   Sep-09-03 02:59 PM   #20 
     - thanks yellow again  JohnKleeb   Sep-09-03 03:02 PM   #23 
  - I know  TheYellowDog   Sep-09-03 02:56 PM   #13 
  - Please provide a link to that comment by his mother  Bandit   Sep-09-03 02:58 PM   #17 
     - It was in the Time magazine article from when he was on the cover  SweetZombieJesus   Sep-09-03 03:01 PM   #22 
     - It's been posted here before. She said it. Specifically, she  DemBones DemBones   Sep-09-03 03:03 PM   #25 
        - Deleted message  Name removed   Sep-09-03 03:07 PM   #28 
           - No, I thought it was funny. I took it as her making a bit of a joke.  DemBones DemBones   Sep-09-03 03:13 PM   #34 
           - If serious, sober reflection of the candidate's record is really your goal  SweetZombieJesus   Sep-09-03 03:18 PM   #38 
              - Sorry, I'm not going to post puff piece from Dean's famous blog.  DemBones DemBones   Sep-09-03 03:38 PM   #54 
                 - Deleted message  Name removed   Sep-09-03 03:52 PM   #62 
           - I invoke Godwin's Law on this thread  no name no slogan   Sep-09-03 03:18 PM   #39 
              - Deleted message  Name removed   Sep-09-03 03:24 PM   #40 
              - You might want to remember Dean was awarded the Wellstone award.  denverbill   Sep-09-03 03:27 PM   #43 
              - Ever hear of the Congressional Progressive Caucus?  no name no slogan   Sep-09-03 03:57 PM   #65 
              - That award was for ONE instance, not his overall record.  tjdee   Sep-09-03 05:52 PM   #99 
              - Thank you. The Dean supporters are often quite blind in their  DemBones DemBones   Sep-09-03 03:28 PM   #44 
                 - Still waiting for the non-biased link on this subject  SweetZombieJesus   Sep-09-03 03:32 PM   #49 
  - Oooh, the CATO Institute COULDN'T have an ulterior motive in this article!  SweetZombieJesus   Sep-09-03 02:58 PM   #16 
  - Of course they could. But the facts stand. Can anyone prove  DemBones DemBones   Sep-09-03 03:08 PM   #29 
     - The facts are, this is a smokescreen  SweetZombieJesus   Sep-09-03 03:16 PM   #37 
        - Et tu, Bubba?  Character Assassin   Sep-09-03 03:33 PM   #50 
           - I'm sorry, do you know who the CATO Institute is?  SweetZombieJesus   Sep-09-03 03:46 PM   #59 
           - Yes, that's why I asked. I donate to CATO regularly.  Character Assassin   Sep-09-03 03:56 PM   #64 
              - Yes, and all those statements are 100% honest  SweetZombieJesus   Sep-09-03 04:05 PM   #68 
                 - Of course they should be taken with a grain of salt.  Character Assassin   Sep-09-03 04:27 PM   #75 
                    - Rational analysis like equating Dean supporters with cultists, right?  SweetZombieJesus   Sep-09-03 04:37 PM   #78 
                       - You seem to have a prediliction for non-sequitors  Character Assassin   Sep-09-03 04:52 PM   #82 
                          - Alright, I got a little trigger happy  SweetZombieJesus   Sep-09-03 05:06 PM   #86 
                             - Thanks, and I think we likely agree more than disagree.  Character Assassin   Sep-09-03 05:10 PM   #88 
                                - See, I figured this was the case  SweetZombieJesus   Sep-09-03 05:23 PM   #89 
                                   - Ha! You should see what happens down in Justice/Public Safety  Character Assassin   Sep-09-03 05:28 PM   #91 
           - My experience suggests that if these same facts were reported by  DemBones DemBones   Sep-09-03 04:11 PM   #70 
              - Deleted message  Name removed   Sep-09-03 04:16 PM   #71 
              - Deleted message  Name removed   Sep-09-03 04:25 PM   #73 
              - Can you name one negative thing about your candidate?  gully   Sep-09-03 05:29 PM   #92 
                 - sure I can  JohnKleeb   Sep-09-03 05:31 PM   #95 
                 - He wasn't talking to you John  SweetZombieJesus   Sep-09-03 05:36 PM   #96 
                    - well I responded  JohnKleeb   Sep-09-03 05:56 PM   #100 
                       - John, I'm just as sick as you are of the "Dennis doesn't have a chance"  SweetZombieJesus   Sep-09-03 06:08 PM   #103 
                          - Thanks I dont  JohnKleeb   Sep-09-03 06:16 PM   #104 
                 - Sure. He voted to amend the Constitution to prohibit  DemBones DemBones   Sep-09-03 07:38 PM   #109 
  - I sure the hell don't want an anti-business governor in the White House  zoidberg   Sep-09-03 03:08 PM   #30 
  - Nor do I. Don't be obtuse.  DemBones DemBones   Sep-09-03 03:16 PM   #36 
  - Don't ya just love those left-handed compliments?  Why   Sep-09-03 03:12 PM   #33 
  - Why on pro lifers  JohnKleeb   Sep-09-03 03:15 PM   #35 
  - It doesn't say he holds people who harrassing or shoot at people  DemBones DemBones   Sep-09-03 03:26 PM   #41 
  - I told you I used to be ignorant and you know that for fact  JohnKleeb   Sep-09-03 03:31 PM   #46 
  - I'll answer both of you at once.  Why   Sep-09-03 03:31 PM   #47 
     - err my bad just the way you phrased it  JohnKleeb   Sep-09-03 03:35 PM   #51 
     - It's not "Cato's assertion." It's a statement made by a "longtime  DemBones DemBones   Sep-09-03 03:49 PM   #60 
        - Deleted message  Name removed   Sep-09-03 04:10 PM   #69 
  - Oh really...  no name no slogan   Sep-09-03 03:45 PM   #58 
  - This I like...  Why   Sep-09-03 03:26 PM   #42 
  - Thanks for the link, I support Dean  Woodstock   Sep-09-03 03:35 PM   #52 
  - If a candidate can't handle FAUX  sangh0   Sep-09-03 03:38 PM   #55 
  - "My Candidate Sucks So Bad That I Have To Attack Yours"  library_max   Sep-09-03 03:44 PM   #57 
  - Uh, no, it's LET'S EXAMINE THE CANDIDATES THOROUGHLY  DemBones DemBones   Sep-09-03 03:52 PM   #63 
     - So let me get this straight  SweetZombieJesus   Sep-09-03 03:58 PM   #66 
     - If the CATO institutes so awful and so biased, why'd Dean tell them  AP   Sep-09-03 04:24 PM   #72 
     - He was invited to speak to Cato and he did. Moore and he stay in  DemBones DemBones   Sep-09-03 04:28 PM   #76 
     - Key phrase: SEVERAL YEARS AGO  SweetZombieJesus   Sep-09-03 04:31 PM   #77 
        - Several years ago I knew what the CATO Institute stood for, and I didn't  AP   Sep-09-03 05:02 PM   #84 
     - I'll post other articles another time. I think this article is of  DemBones DemBones   Sep-09-03 04:26 PM   #74 
     - Hmm.  library_max   Sep-09-03 05:31 PM   #94 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Sep-09-03 04:45 PM   #80 
  - Did anyone read The Best Democracy Money Can Buy?  AP   Sep-09-03 05:04 PM   #85 
     - Haven't read it, what's Palast's take on CATO?  SweetZombieJesus   Sep-09-03 05:08 PM   #87 
        - P. 112: CATO founded with 21 mil from the Koch brothers.  AP   Sep-09-03 05:24 PM   #90 
  - Heres a few issues I have with this article  indigo32   Sep-09-03 05:00 PM   #83 
  - Stupid Article.  poskonig   Sep-09-03 05:41 PM   #97 
  - Read the Clinton Wars. That's what Sid Blumenthals says all the neocons  AP   Sep-09-03 05:50 PM   #98 
  - The Clinton Years were good  Freddie Stubbs   Sep-09-03 06:07 PM   #102 
     - How can you say that? Did you read the part where the first thing  AP   Sep-09-03 06:26 PM   #105 
     - Clinton promised a tax cut when he first ran  Freddie Stubbs   Sep-09-03 07:13 PM   #108 
     - Dean reminds Stephen Moore of Clinton, too. Moore wrote:  DemBones DemBones   Sep-09-03 06:57 PM   #106 
     - Edited Post  DemBones DemBones   Sep-09-03 06:57 PM   #107 
 

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