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visceral Donating Member (22 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-05 09:57 PM
Response to Reply #16
19. Under the privatization scenario...
the plan will become totally self-sufficient, when the people born prior to 1945 who are withdrawing from it, die out. At that point, the majority of participants' contributions will be made in market investments not into a Federal "lock box." That is, unless the plan becomes optional, in which case there may still be a few who choose to participate in the old system. You'll have to figure out when the last of these old timers will die out. I'm not sure anyone could accurately come up with that specific date.
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  -Has bush*Co done the math to show how piratization saves SS? tk2kewl  Feb-03-05 08:09 PM   #0 
  - Tee-hee: I like that "piratization"  Liberal Veteran   Feb-03-05 08:10 PM   #1 
  - You don't *really* think  Zebulon   Feb-03-05 08:10 PM   #2 
  - No  tk2kewl   Feb-03-05 08:15 PM   #4 
     - Re: you'd think that if that is the claim it would have to be supported  Zebulon   Feb-03-05 08:18 PM   #5 
        - Well, I think they need to be called on that  tk2kewl   Feb-03-05 08:21 PM   #7 
           - Here's another question:  Zebulon   Feb-03-05 08:23 PM   #8 
  - That is sweet. Piratization.  KC21304   Feb-03-05 08:12 PM   #3 
  - Fuzzy math?  Blue State Native   Feb-03-05 08:20 PM   #6 
  - Well, I expect  Zebulon   Feb-03-05 08:24 PM   #9 
     - Exactly!  Blue State Native   Feb-03-05 09:11 PM   #10 
  - Of course not  BamaGirl   Feb-03-05 09:17 PM   #11 
  - Why The Fear?  visceral   Feb-03-05 09:33 PM   #12 
  - Why don't you first explain  Zebulon   Feb-03-05 09:35 PM   #13 
  - The problem.......  visceral   Feb-03-05 09:43 PM   #14 
     - You do realize  Zebulon   Feb-03-05 09:46 PM   #15 
     - The question is: "How and when does the plan pay for itself?"  tk2kewl   Feb-03-05 09:50 PM   #17 
  - I didnt' say anything about fear. Do you always put words in others mouths  tk2kewl   Feb-03-05 09:46 PM   #16 
  - Under the privatization scenario...  visceral   Feb-03-05 09:57 PM   #19 
     - and the $2 trillion?  tk2kewl   Feb-03-05 09:59 PM   #20 
     - Hell, take it out of foreign aid, the military budget, or .......  visceral   Feb-03-05 10:07 PM   #24 
        - bush's plan is not B  tk2kewl   Feb-03-05 10:08 PM   #26 
        - also... that is a pretty cavalier attitude regarding trillions of dollars  tk2kewl   Feb-03-05 10:19 PM   #29 
           - Or...  visceral   Feb-03-05 10:58 PM   #50 
              - Re: we could just open up the ANWAR and drill our own damned oil.  Zebulon   Feb-03-05 11:00 PM   #53 
              - Well I have voted for Democrats in the past 4  visceral   Feb-03-05 11:14 PM   #58 
              - Re: It's called being a free thinker, you should try it sometime.  Zebulon   Feb-03-05 11:20 PM   #64 
              - I hope you stick with the Dems  tk2kewl   Feb-03-05 11:39 PM   #73 
              - now, did you ever really believe he was?  tk2kewl   Feb-03-05 11:14 PM   #59 
                 - Re: now, did you ever really believe he was?  Zebulon   Feb-03-05 11:21 PM   #65 
              - oh brother  tk2kewl   Feb-03-05 11:13 PM   #57 
                 - Whats in the proposed Anwar site?  visceral   Feb-03-05 11:16 PM   #61 
                    - i was also talking about reducing our dependence on fossil fuels  tk2kewl   Feb-03-05 11:21 PM   #66 
                       - Who's putting words in whose mouth now?  visceral   Feb-03-05 11:32 PM   #70 
                          - i didn't say you did. I said I did.  tk2kewl   Feb-03-05 11:44 PM   #76 
     - Two questions  Zebulon   Feb-03-05 10:01 PM   #22 
     - Answers.  visceral   Feb-03-05 10:52 PM   #46 
        - Re: What's your point?  Zebulon   Feb-03-05 10:58 PM   #49 
        - I agree, but my point is SS has always been funded on a ...  visceral   Feb-03-05 11:06 PM   #54 
           - In 15 years  Zebulon   Feb-03-05 11:08 PM   #55 
              - http://www.cbpp.org/1-11-05socsec.htm  visceral   Feb-03-05 11:30 PM   #69 
              - i don't think that's bankruptcy  tk2kewl   Feb-03-05 11:33 PM   #71 
                 - Try paying only 70% of your bills ...  visceral   Feb-03-05 11:36 PM   #72 
                    - thats why we shouldn't have had tax cuts and an unwarranted war  tk2kewl   Feb-03-05 11:43 PM   #74 
                    - that isnt the same as taking in less than paying out  tk2kewl   Feb-04-05 12:15 AM   #79 
              - Frankly, I'm bored of your one-liners ...  visceral   Feb-03-05 11:44 PM   #75 
                 - Re: Frankly, I'm bored of your one-liners ...  Zebulon   Feb-03-05 11:49 PM   #77 
        - even the boy king give SS to 2048  tk2kewl   Feb-03-05 11:16 PM   #60 
     - and what happens when . . .  tk2kewl   Feb-03-05 10:07 PM   #25 
  - ???????????? SS is "insurance" not "savings"  Coastie for Truth   Feb-03-05 10:37 PM   #37 
  - Democrats have alot of ideas  TheFarseer   Feb-04-05 12:05 AM   #78 
  - No. Social Security has Weapons of Mass Destruction!!!!  devilgrrl   Feb-03-05 09:53 PM   #18 
  - Something i'm not clear on...  ben_packard   Feb-03-05 10:00 PM   #21 
  - There is no 'increased return'  Zebulon   Feb-03-05 10:03 PM   #23 
  - and that is exactly what SS is intended to prevent  tk2kewl   Feb-03-05 10:13 PM   #27 
  - Anyone who knows anything about our market economy  visceral   Feb-03-05 10:15 PM   #28 
     - That's fine as long as  Zebulon   Feb-03-05 10:23 PM   #30 
     - yeppers  tk2kewl   Feb-03-05 10:28 PM   #32 
     - Let's Be Optimistic  visceral   Feb-03-05 10:30 PM   #34 
        - Sorry, but  Zebulon   Feb-03-05 10:32 PM   #36 
           - Maybe we could also pray to Jesus for a bull market  tk2kewl   Feb-03-05 10:37 PM   #38 
           - Maybe we could CONTRIBUTE to a Bull Market!  visceral   Feb-03-05 10:42 PM   #40 
              - visceral  Zebulon   Feb-03-05 10:45 PM   #42 
              - Look . . .  tk2kewl   Feb-03-05 10:47 PM   #43 
                 - My father paid in for 30 years......  visceral   Feb-03-05 10:55 PM   #47 
                    - its better than a big fat nuffin if he were unlucky enough to be disable  tk2kewl   Feb-03-05 10:59 PM   #52 
                       - Thanks.  visceral   Feb-03-05 11:19 PM   #63 
           - You fail to see the "risk" inherent in Social Security as well......  visceral   Feb-03-05 10:40 PM   #39 
              - "So what's wrong with taking your OWN risks . . . ?"  tk2kewl   Feb-03-05 10:51 PM   #45 
              - E ho'opohole 'oe i ko'u mai'a  PapaJoe   Feb-04-05 01:05 AM   #81 
                 - That is just like taking 2nd and 3rd mortgages on your house  tk2kewl   Feb-04-05 09:28 AM   #85 
     - it isnt simply an issue of "not losing money"  tk2kewl   Feb-03-05 10:26 PM   #31 
  - It's like the flight attendant says before an emergency landing  Coastie for Truth   Feb-03-05 10:43 PM   #41 
  - Sorry, thought we were talking 'bout....Hmmmm...  Zinfandel   Feb-04-05 02:20 AM   #84 
  - Norm Ornstein, on Al Franken's show,  Coastie for Truth   Feb-03-05 10:29 PM   #33 
  - yup . . . (see #17) *bush has been after SS since the 80s  tk2kewl   Feb-03-05 10:32 PM   #35 
  - Humorous vid clip from Countdown-Bush doin' the math  liveoaktx   Feb-03-05 10:51 PM   #44 
  - LMAO . . . "The a-thousand grows"  tk2kewl   Feb-03-05 10:56 PM   #48 
  - It's funny how some people on the left still argue that he really is  Cadence   Feb-03-05 11:12 PM   #56 
     - he hasn't been underestimated . . .  tk2kewl   Feb-03-05 11:18 PM   #62 
        - Re: he hasn't been underestimated . . .  Zebulon   Feb-03-05 11:23 PM   #67 
           - lol  tk2kewl   Feb-03-05 11:25 PM   #68 
           - LOL! Maybe we'd see his hidden "genius" if "gynecologists  Cadence   Feb-04-05 01:12 AM   #82 
  - too funny  bpilgrim   Feb-03-05 10:59 PM   #51 
  - piratization? That's it!  PapaJoe   Feb-04-05 01:00 AM   #80 
  - These Cons just  obnoxiousdrunk   Feb-04-05 10:28 AM   #86 
     - They definitely want to take the "Social" out of it too  tk2kewl   Feb-04-05 10:45 AM   #87 
  - Does it matter? If the corporate media debates it as fact...  Zinfandel   Feb-04-05 01:30 AM   #83 
 

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