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K-W Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-05 01:36 PM
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41. Yah, that was David's problem fighting Goliath
Edited on Thu Feb-03-05 01:39 PM by K-W
he wouldnt have needed a miracle if he just stopped being defensive. Clearly it was his defensiveness and not the Giants disproportional offense that put him on his heels.

I love how populist movements fighting the power were so successful that the democratic party became the party of liberals, helping us to fight the powerful in washington, and then when the powerful regain the upper hand we do nothing but whine about how the democrats look weak as they face off against the tremendous power of the establishment as it backlashes against liberal ideas.
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  -You know what pisses me off? Goldmund  Feb-03-05 10:06 AM   #0 
  - I agree completely  Vash the Stampede   Feb-03-05 10:07 AM   #1 
  - The problem is that people actually suspect that dems are all crazy  K-W   Feb-03-05 10:11 AM   #4 
  - Because the right has marginalized and stigmatized the left  K-W   Feb-03-05 10:09 AM   #2 
  - You fire their own comments back at them in the harshest terms possible.  Vash the Stampede   Feb-03-05 10:16 AM   #7 
  - Two reasons why that wont work.  K-W   Feb-03-05 11:00 AM   #19 
     - And yet,  Goldmund   Feb-03-05 11:05 AM   #21 
     - We did provide an alternative, we were silenced.  K-W   Feb-03-05 11:12 AM   #23 
        - But that's like saying...  Goldmund   Feb-03-05 11:21 AM   #27 
           - No it isnt.  K-W   Feb-03-05 11:27 AM   #28 
              - You're taking everything I'm saying a bit too literally.  Goldmund   Feb-03-05 11:42 AM   #29 
                 - That is an oversimplified picture of things.  K-W   Feb-03-05 11:54 AM   #31 
                    - Oh, that's absolutely true.  Goldmund   Feb-03-05 12:06 PM   #34 
                       - Hindsight is 20/20  K-W   Feb-03-05 12:36 PM   #38 
                          - Fine --  Goldmund   Feb-03-05 02:07 PM   #48 
                             - Agreed,  K-W   Feb-03-05 02:24 PM   #50 
                                - So, let me see if I understand you --  Goldmund   Feb-03-05 02:39 PM   #51 
     - your rebuttal  Vash the Stampede   Feb-03-05 11:17 AM   #25 
        - So evil tactics are ok as long as we are the good guys?  K-W   Feb-03-05 11:20 AM   #26 
           - So if you're not giving up, and the nice-guy methods don't work,  Vash the Stampede   Feb-03-05 11:49 AM   #30 
              - I suggest not trying to boil everything down to cliches  K-W   Feb-03-05 11:59 AM   #33 
                 - I didn't say anything about lying or propaganda.  Vash the Stampede   Feb-03-05 12:08 PM   #35 
                    - You missed Reid's point.  K-W   Feb-03-05 12:41 PM   #39 
                       - I didn't miss Reid's point.  Vash the Stampede   Feb-03-05 01:38 PM   #42 
                          - I didnt say anything like that, try reading not spinning.  K-W   Feb-03-05 01:48 PM   #44 
                             - Infrastructure? What infrastructure???  Vash the Stampede   Feb-03-05 01:50 PM   #45 
                                - Ever heard of the labor movement? How about the civil rights movement?  K-W   Feb-03-05 02:09 PM   #49 
                                   - That's pretty old history you're talking about.  Vash the Stampede   Feb-03-05 02:55 PM   #52 
  - And by acknowledging that stigma,  Goldmund   Feb-03-05 10:46 AM   # 
  - Ignoring it wont make it go away.  K-W   Feb-03-05 11:06 AM   #22 
     - I agree with you here:  Goldmund   Feb-03-05 11:14 AM   #24 
  - And by acknowledging that stigma,  Goldmund   Feb-03-05 10:46 AM   #14 
  - Easy answer  NV Whino   Feb-03-05 10:09 AM   #3 
  - No, that is a symptom, not the problem.  K-W   Feb-03-05 10:15 AM   #6 
  - It's time for them to laugh and wave them off  Norquist Nemesis   Feb-03-05 10:15 AM   #5 
  - And now let's pause for our corporate anthem  killbotfactory   Feb-03-05 10:17 AM   #8 
  - Doesn't bother me at all.  autorank   Feb-03-05 10:19 AM   #9 
  - It's an overused device, but you are right on the money.  Inland   Feb-03-05 10:29 AM   #10 
  - You are nominated for "Minister of Information"  autorank   Feb-03-05 10:44 AM   #11 
  - Let me ask you a simple question:  Goldmund   Feb-03-05 10:44 AM   #12 
     - Oh, please. Republicans do exactly the same thing.  Inland   Feb-03-05 10:51 AM   #16 
     - As I said,  Goldmund   Feb-03-05 10:58 AM   #18 
        - There isn't any difference, as I pointed out.  Inland   Feb-03-05 01:09 PM   #40 
           - "Traditionally hostile audiences"  Goldmund   Feb-03-05 02:04 PM   #47 
              - You are in the minority, both politically and what you want to hear.  Inland   Feb-04-05 09:34 AM   #53 
                 - Alright, now we've come to the crux of our disagreement.  Goldmund   Feb-04-05 10:08 AM   #54 
                    - No, you missed it again.  Inland   Feb-04-05 10:40 AM   #55 
                       - I think you're kinda putting words in my mouth:  Goldmund   Feb-04-05 05:18 PM   #56 
     - They do it all the time. You don't understand rhetoric/persuasion  autorank   Feb-03-05 10:56 AM   #17 
        - It's not that Reid made a mistake...  Goldmund   Feb-03-05 11:02 AM   #20 
           - I agree. It's an incremental process but accelerating.  autorank   Feb-03-05 01:38 PM   #43 
              - From your mouth to god's ears...  Goldmund   Feb-03-05 02:00 PM   #46 
  - Until something significantly less than 84% of Americans  bunkerbuster1   Feb-03-05 10:44 AM   #13 
  - I agree with you, but...  Goldmund   Feb-03-05 10:50 AM   #15 
     - Agreed, we are too defensive.  bunkerbuster1   Feb-03-05 12:10 PM   #36 
  - You're right.  rbnyc   Feb-03-05 11:56 AM   #32 
  - That's us - always on the defense - never playing offense  ernstbass   Feb-03-05 12:11 PM   #37 
     - Yah, that was David's problem fighting Goliath  K-W   Feb-03-05 01:36 PM   #41 

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