mopinko
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Tue Feb-01-05 08:02 AM
Response to Reply #48 |
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it is not like car insurance, it is more like whole life, that pays out as an annuity. and when you tell me i have to pay $100/yr to get $10,000 on death, you cannot just say oops, we didn't do the math very well, and them write my family a check for $8,000. yes, premiums get raised sometimes. but a company that raises them to cover the fact that funds are being misappropriated elsewhere in the company would be in trouble with the law.
try this scenario- a young married couple just starting out, with nothing but obligations, buys a life policy when they start a family. they are both lucky and hard working, and over the years, they accumulate a decent estate, and raise their kids to be upstanding and successful adults. they don't really need the insurance any more, but they continue to pay. they die. if this is you, what are you going to say when the guy from state farm comes by and says, sorry kids, i know your parents paid all their life, and expected to leave you this gift. but i gave your check to the folks down the street who didn't have your parents good luck. they need it more. i'm a good lefty, so i might even buy into such a system. but you ain't gonna sell that policy to most people. and i especially think you would have a revolt on your hands if you passed a law that everyone had to buy such a policy.
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| -Why not propose a flat-tax for SS reform to counter piratization |
tk2kewl |
Jan-31-05 10:09 PM |
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flat tax is regressive. |
Sirveri |
Jan-31-05 10:10 PM |
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current payroll tax is more regressive than a flat tax |
tk2kewl |
Jan-31-05 10:13 PM |
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in that case I agree with you, and it might be a good first step. |
Sirveri |
Jan-31-05 10:45 PM |
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Strictly speaking, it's proportional. |
mdhunter |
Jan-31-05 10:33 PM |
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I call it regressive because while it technically isn't, it ends up being |
Sirveri |
Jan-31-05 10:47 PM |
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but the person who has 2k |
mopinko |
Jan-31-05 10:52 PM |
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I'm not saying they should disband SS. |
Sirveri |
Jan-31-05 10:56 PM |
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because it is fair |
mopinko |
Jan-31-05 11:05 PM |
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I sort of agree, and sort of don't. |
Sirveri |
Jan-31-05 11:15 PM |
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Thank god for somebody who gets the distinction. |
OrwellwasRight |
Jan-31-05 10:52 PM |
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The housing market would collapse. |
Sirveri |
Jan-31-05 10:59 PM |
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Fuck the housing market. |
OrwellwasRight |
Feb-01-05 12:49 AM |
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flame bait? |
Sirveri |
Feb-01-05 02:22 AM |
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But they won't pay it; |
OrwellwasRight |
Feb-01-05 07:20 AM |
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sure ok. |
Sirveri |
Feb-02-05 02:53 AM |
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"The primary purpose of it is to discourage the excessive accumulation" |
OrwellwasRight |
Feb-02-05 05:19 AM |
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Of course dems oppose estate tax. They're rich. |
Sirveri |
Feb-02-05 11:51 PM |
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your last graph is exactly what i am trying to say. |
mopinko |
Feb-01-05 08:11 AM |
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Glad you agree that all should contribute |
OrwellwasRight |
Feb-01-05 03:38 PM |
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LOL...that is the plan...that is what they want --- a flat tax or a VAT |
cthrumatrix |
Feb-01-05 07:15 AM |
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it's not a tax |
mopinko |
Jan-31-05 10:12 PM |
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point is that there is a maximum |
tk2kewl |
Jan-31-05 10:13 PM |
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Yeah. Remove the cap. |
shawcomm |
Jan-31-05 10:20 PM |
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no, that is not the point |
mopinko |
Jan-31-05 10:31 PM |
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Right, remove the cap. Or at least jack it way the hell up there... |
BlueEyedSon |
Jan-31-05 10:14 PM |
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so that rich people can get huge benefits? |
mopinko |
Jan-31-05 10:23 PM |
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Fine. Let them have them, if they paid into the system. |
w4rma |
Jan-31-05 10:35 PM |
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so raising the cap adds nothing |
mopinko |
Jan-31-05 10:39 PM |
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But in your post number 14 you say |
w4rma |
Jan-31-05 10:48 PM |
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sorry, don't follow your complaint |
mopinko |
Jan-31-05 10:54 PM |
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Remove the CAP, AND |
bvar22 |
Jan-31-05 10:50 PM |
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then it isn't insurance |
mopinko |
Jan-31-05 11:13 PM |
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I could sell that to Bubba easily. |
bvar22 |
Jan-31-05 11:56 PM |
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Mo, you don't understand how insurance works. |
BlueEyedSon |
Feb-01-05 07:31 AM |
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bes, you don't understand |
mopinko |
Feb-01-05 08:02 AM |
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Maybe in all the noise in this thread I missed your "solution". |
BlueEyedSon |
Feb-01-05 08:13 AM |
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how about |
mopinko |
Feb-01-05 08:32 AM |
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We need to undo |
Blue Wally |
Feb-02-05 05:48 AM |
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you got that straight |
mopinko |
Feb-02-05 06:13 PM |
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It's not insurance in the normal sense at all... |
shawcomm |
Jan-31-05 10:38 PM |
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absolutely wrong |
mopinko |
Jan-31-05 10:46 PM |
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I'd agree that it's like insurance in that you |
shawcomm |
Jan-31-05 11:22 PM |
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You don't "have" to do anything of the sort. |
BlueEyedSon |
Feb-01-05 07:16 AM |
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read this and figure |
dweller |
Jan-31-05 10:14 PM |
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Great explanation of the situation |
nuxvomica |
Jan-31-05 10:21 PM |
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Please pass on the link, thanks. n/t |
dweller |
Jan-31-05 10:23 PM |
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It already is a flat tax |
sally343434 |
Jan-31-05 10:18 PM |
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right, but the fact theat there is a cap makes it regressive |
tk2kewl |
Jan-31-05 10:19 PM |
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it may be obvious, but it is wrong |
mopinko |
Jan-31-05 10:24 PM |
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Oh yeah? Where would *you* set the cap at that is fair, since you love it |
w4rma |
Jan-31-05 10:46 PM |
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how much do you think the maximum payment should be? |
mopinko |
Jan-31-05 11:16 PM |
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Many of us don't think there should be a maximum payment. |
Telly Savalas |
Feb-02-05 08:33 AM |
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the least the left can do |
mopinko |
Jan-31-05 10:29 PM |
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Just a quick note |
mdhunter |
Jan-31-05 10:41 PM |
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not the same thing |
mopinko |
Jan-31-05 10:51 PM |
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But |
mdhunter |
Feb-01-05 07:14 AM |
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this is wrong. |
mopinko |
Feb-01-05 08:39 AM |
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and, all you need is more taxpayers |
mopinko |
Jan-31-05 10:35 PM |
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So you want to increase immigration, also, to pay for this? |
w4rma |
Jan-31-05 10:58 PM |
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so is taking money from people who earned it |
mopinko |
Jan-31-05 11:07 PM |
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Isn't this the basis for all social assistance programs? |
Telly Savalas |
Feb-02-05 08:35 AM |
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