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mopinko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-05 10:35 PM
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17. and, all you need is more taxpayers
which, last i checked, were stacked up at every american border. when the boomers are out of the work force, and in assisted living, there will be lots of jobs.
please, please, before you mess with the most effective social program ever, freakin understand it.
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  -Why not propose a flat-tax for SS reform to counter piratization tk2kewl  Jan-31-05 10:09 PM   #0 
  - flat tax is regressive.  Sirveri   Jan-31-05 10:10 PM   #1 
  - current payroll tax is more regressive than a flat tax  tk2kewl   Jan-31-05 10:13 PM   #3 
  - in that case I agree with you, and it might be a good first step.  Sirveri   Jan-31-05 10:45 PM   #22 
  - Strictly speaking, it's proportional.  mdhunter   Jan-31-05 10:33 PM   #16 
  - I call it regressive because while it technically isn't, it ends up being  Sirveri   Jan-31-05 10:47 PM   #25 
  - but the person who has 2k  mopinko   Jan-31-05 10:52 PM   #29 
     - I'm not saying they should disband SS.  Sirveri   Jan-31-05 10:56 PM   #32 
        - because it is fair  mopinko   Jan-31-05 11:05 PM   #35 
           - I sort of agree, and sort of don't.  Sirveri   Jan-31-05 11:15 PM   #38 
  - Thank god for somebody who gets the distinction.  OrwellwasRight   Jan-31-05 10:52 PM   #30 
     - The housing market would collapse.  Sirveri   Jan-31-05 10:59 PM   #34 
        - Fuck the housing market.  OrwellwasRight   Feb-01-05 12:49 AM   #42 
           - flame bait?  Sirveri   Feb-01-05 02:22 AM   #43 
           - But they won't pay it;  OrwellwasRight   Feb-01-05 07:20 AM   #47 
              - sure ok.  Sirveri   Feb-02-05 02:53 AM   #55 
                 - "The primary purpose of it is to discourage the excessive accumulation"  OrwellwasRight   Feb-02-05 05:19 AM   #56 
                    - Of course dems oppose estate tax. They're rich.  Sirveri   Feb-02-05 11:51 PM   #61 
           - your last graph is exactly what i am trying to say.  mopinko   Feb-01-05 08:11 AM   #50 
              - Glad you agree that all should contribute  OrwellwasRight   Feb-01-05 03:38 PM   #54 
  - LOL...that is the plan...that is what they want --- a flat tax or a VAT  cthrumatrix   Feb-01-05 07:15 AM   #45 
  - it's not a tax  mopinko   Jan-31-05 10:12 PM   #2 
  - point is that there is a maximum  tk2kewl   Jan-31-05 10:13 PM   #4 
  - Yeah. Remove the cap.  shawcomm   Jan-31-05 10:20 PM   #9 
     - no, that is not the point  mopinko   Jan-31-05 10:31 PM   #15 
  - Right, remove the cap. Or at least jack it way the hell up there...  BlueEyedSon   Jan-31-05 10:14 PM   #6 
     - so that rich people can get huge benefits?  mopinko   Jan-31-05 10:23 PM   #12 
        - Fine. Let them have them, if they paid into the system.  w4rma   Jan-31-05 10:35 PM   #18 
        - so raising the cap adds nothing  mopinko   Jan-31-05 10:39 PM   #20 
           - But in your post number 14 you say  w4rma   Jan-31-05 10:48 PM   #26 
           - sorry, don't follow your complaint  mopinko   Jan-31-05 10:54 PM   #31 
           - Remove the CAP, AND  bvar22   Jan-31-05 10:50 PM   #27 
              - then it isn't insurance  mopinko   Jan-31-05 11:13 PM   #37 
                 - I could sell that to Bubba easily.  bvar22   Jan-31-05 11:56 PM   #41 
                 - Mo, you don't understand how insurance works.  BlueEyedSon   Feb-01-05 07:31 AM   #48 
                    - bes, you don't understand  mopinko   Feb-01-05 08:02 AM   #49 
                       - Maybe in all the noise in this thread I missed your "solution".  BlueEyedSon   Feb-01-05 08:13 AM   #51 
                          - how about  mopinko   Feb-01-05 08:32 AM   #52 
                             - We need to undo  Blue Wally   Feb-02-05 05:48 AM   #57 
                                - you got that straight  mopinko   Feb-02-05 06:13 PM   #60 
        - It's not insurance in the normal sense at all...  shawcomm   Jan-31-05 10:38 PM   #19 
        - absolutely wrong  mopinko   Jan-31-05 10:46 PM   #23 
           - I'd agree that it's like insurance in that you  shawcomm   Jan-31-05 11:22 PM   #40 
        - You don't "have" to do anything of the sort.  BlueEyedSon   Feb-01-05 07:16 AM   #46 
  - read this and figure  dweller   Jan-31-05 10:14 PM   #5 
  - Great explanation of the situation  nuxvomica   Jan-31-05 10:21 PM   #10 
     - Please pass on the link, thanks. n/t  dweller   Jan-31-05 10:23 PM   #11 
  - It already is a flat tax  sally343434   Jan-31-05 10:18 PM   #7 
  - right, but the fact theat there is a cap makes it regressive  tk2kewl   Jan-31-05 10:19 PM   #8 
  - it may be obvious, but it is wrong  mopinko   Jan-31-05 10:24 PM   #13 
     - Oh yeah? Where would *you* set the cap at that is fair, since you love it  w4rma   Jan-31-05 10:46 PM   #24 
        - how much do you think the maximum payment should be?  mopinko   Jan-31-05 11:16 PM   #39 
           - Many of us don't think there should be a maximum payment.  Telly Savalas   Feb-02-05 08:33 AM   #58 
  - the least the left can do  mopinko   Jan-31-05 10:29 PM   #14 
  - Just a quick note  mdhunter   Jan-31-05 10:41 PM   #21 
     - not the same thing  mopinko   Jan-31-05 10:51 PM   #28 
        - But  mdhunter   Feb-01-05 07:14 AM   #44 
           - this is wrong.  mopinko   Feb-01-05 08:39 AM   #53 
  - and, all you need is more taxpayers  mopinko   Jan-31-05 10:35 PM   #17 
     - So you want to increase immigration, also, to pay for this?  w4rma   Jan-31-05 10:58 PM   #33 
        - so is taking money from people who earned it  mopinko   Jan-31-05 11:07 PM   #36 
           - Isn't this the basis for all social assistance programs?  Telly Savalas   Feb-02-05 08:35 AM   #59 

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