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ChicanoPwr Donating Member (536 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-05 08:33 PM
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78. This is why Tinoire
The Health Care Personnel Delivery System (HCPDS) is a standby plan developed for the Selective Service System at the request of Congress. If needed it would be used to draft health care personnel in a crisis. It is designed to be implemented in connection with a national mobilization in an emergency, and then only if Congress and the President approve the plan and pass and sign legislation to enact it. No portion of the plan is designed for implementation in peacetime. If implemented, HCPDS would:

Provide a fair and equitable draft of doctors, nurses, medical technicians and those with certain other health care skills if, in some future emergency, the militarys existing medical capability proved insufficient and there is a shortage of volunteers.
Include women, unless directed otherwise by Congress and the President.

Draft a very small percentage of Americas health care providers into military service. Impact on the availability of civilian health care would be minimal. Those health-care workers whose absence would seriously hurt their communities would be deferred on the basis of community essentiality.

Begin a mass registration of male and female health care workers between the ages of 20 and 45. They would register at local post offices. HCPDS would provide medical personnel from a pool of 3.4 million doctors, nurses, specialists and allied health professionals in more than 60 fields of medicine.

Require minimal training for HCPDS draftees, because they are already skilled personnel.
Those draft boards were are already to go.

Yet back in October 21, 2004, The NY Times ran this fair tale:
Pentagon Says No Medical Draft Is Needed ( AP )

ABSTRACT - Dr William Winkenwerder Jr, assistant secretary of defense for health affairs, says draft of civilian health care workers is unnecessary; says Pentagon's own medical system and private health care networks with which it is associated are sufficient under any circumstances...
Which is kind of interesting because Rep Jos E. Serrano (D-NY) came out with this press release the day before the Times ran their story.
A First Step Towards the Draft: Medical Workers

Washington, DC, October 20, 2004Today, Congressman Jos E. Serrano (D-NY) expressed outrage over a report by the Selective Service recommending a plan for a draft of doctors, nurses, and other health care workers during times of crisis. An article in yesterdays New York Times exposed the confidential report, which detailed how such a draft might work and how public opinion could be manipulated.

This report shows that the Bush Administration is in fact preparing for a possible draft, said Serrano. The administration has dangerously overextended Americas armed forces in Iraq, and put the lives of countless soldiers in danger. Instead of planning for how to re-build that nation, the President instead decided to plan for a draft. Make no mistake, a draft for medical workers could be just the first step towards the return of mandatory military service.

The report details how health care professionals ages 18-44 would register with the Selective Service, a process that would include some 3.4 million doctors, nurses, and other health care workers. The report, done by a private contractor for the government, also stated that a medical draft would be sure to disrupt the lives of those who were called to duty.

The release of this report seemingly confirms the fears of millions of young adults in the United States that the President is pursuing a policy to reinstitute a military draft after the election. The President already has instituted policies that, in effect, constitute a back-door draft for members of National Guard and Reserve units, by extending their tours of duty. Additionally, by calling up recently separated members of the military, who have already fulfilled their military commitments, the Bush administration has essentially created a draft of individuals who have already served in our countrys Armed Forces. The Bush Administration has already instituted a back-door draft for members of the National Guard, Reserve units, and members of the military who have finished their service, said Serrano. It should come as no surprise to Americans that bad planning in Iraq is starting to lead to bad policy in the United States. The medical draft is already being planned forwho will be next?
They were already planning the draft. I am concern too, my sister is a doctor too.
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  -Called Rangel's Office Today-Draft Legislation Will Be Introduced poe  Jan-31-05 01:33 PM   #0 
  - This is a stupid, stupid move.  King Coal   Jan-31-05 01:36 PM   #1 
  - What about the no college deferment clause? No surprise  uppityperson   Jan-31-05 01:38 PM   #2 
  - i'm in college...  ashmanonar   Jan-31-05 01:46 PM   #7 
  - no no no no no, not what I meant.  uppityperson   Jan-31-05 02:35 PM   #25 
     - yea.  ashmanonar   Jan-31-05 07:55 PM   #75 
  - In 1968 when all graduate school deferments were supposedly eliminated  Coastie for Truth   Jan-31-05 02:03 PM   #15 
  - I worked for too many years in graduate school for my skills  bluestateguy   Jan-31-05 02:39 PM   #27 
     - Having lived through the VietNam era draft  Coastie for Truth   Jan-31-05 03:06 PM   #38 
  - Are you for real?  Spacejet   Jan-31-05 02:15 PM   #18 
     - I am for real and unfortunately I don't think repubs would  uppityperson   Jan-31-05 02:43 PM   #32 
  - This bill doesn't have a snowball's chance in hell.  Warpy   Jan-31-05 01:40 PM   #3 
  - no, because rich republicans don't want their kids going to war  jackster   Jan-31-05 01:45 PM   #5 
  - Forget equitable service...  Emboldened Chimp   Jan-31-05 01:47 PM   #9 
     - yes, let's not get into any wars,  jackster   Jan-31-05 01:49 PM   #10 
     - No more Wars would mean  BOSSHOG   Jan-31-05 01:57 PM   #12 
        - Fuck applauding Rangel...  Emboldened Chimp   Jan-31-05 02:02 PM   #13 
           - Deleted message  Name removed   Jan-31-05 02:15 PM   #17 
           - First off, you are way off base on your conservative comment...  Emboldened Chimp   Jan-31-05 02:42 PM   #30 
              - Some of us.........  Blue Wally   Feb-01-05 05:00 AM   #94 
           - Unfortunately  Spacejet   Jan-31-05 02:16 PM   #19 
  - no they wont start the draft.. it would be political suicide nt  southernleftylady   Jan-31-05 01:47 PM   #8 
  - During VietNam  Coastie for Truth   Jan-31-05 01:54 PM   #11 
  - This asshole needs to go.  bowens43   Jan-31-05 01:41 PM   #4 
  - Our next Freeway Blogging Campaign  IanDB1   Jan-31-05 01:46 PM   #6 
  - Stop handing the President more power!  Book Lover   Jan-31-05 02:03 PM   #14 
  - Exactly what I told Rangel's office. I used that quote, hope you  Midlodemocrat   Jan-31-05 02:34 PM   #23 
  - Freely given  Book Lover   Jan-31-05 03:23 PM   #40 
  - Why not put this under the office of the president?  Sirveri   Feb-01-05 03:57 AM   #92 
  - God what a fool  Spacejet   Jan-31-05 02:14 PM   #16 
  - Bingo we have a winner. Welcome to DU!  LibertyorDeath   Jan-31-05 02:24 PM   #20 
  - What happened last fall:  uppityperson   Jan-31-05 02:41 PM   #29 
  - That was before the "Man Date"  LibertyorDeath   Jan-31-05 02:43 PM   #31 
  - That's EXACTLY what will happen.  in_cog_ni_to   Jan-31-05 02:43 PM   #33 
  - I hope you don't mind, but I just quoted your post  Midlodemocrat   Jan-31-05 03:16 PM   #39 
  - Welcome! Welcome to DU!  Tinoire   Jan-31-05 04:57 PM   #56 
  - The republicans arent going to pass a draft.  K-W   Jan-31-05 09:24 PM   #84 
  - The Aide Said There Would Be Essentially Two Components of Service  poe   Jan-31-05 02:30 PM   #21 
  - Crap. I just noticed the bastard is a Democrat  IanDB1   Jan-31-05 02:40 PM   #28 
     - Yeah.....  Blue Wally   Feb-01-05 05:07 AM   #95 
  - I just talked to his office as well.  Midlodemocrat   Jan-31-05 02:33 PM   #22 
  - That's not the best news.  Tinoire   Jan-31-05 04:59 PM   #57 
  - My position on this is clear. This bill, and Rangel, must be defeated.  bluestateguy   Jan-31-05 02:34 PM   #24 
  - Thanks Charlie!  Liberal Classic   Jan-31-05 02:37 PM   #26 
  - I just spoke to his staffer, and I had a hard time understanding him  IanDB1   Jan-31-05 02:49 PM   #35 
     - Thank you for calling his office  Liberal Classic   Jan-31-05 05:37 PM   #60 
  - THIS IS buLLshIT!!  jojo54   Jan-31-05 02:48 PM   #34 
  - As a vetern, Rangel has always been for the draft. Wants everyone to  hector459   Jan-31-05 03:40 PM   #43 
  - Here's More  poe   Jan-31-05 02:54 PM   #36 
  - BTW  jojo54   Jan-31-05 02:55 PM   #37 
  - Join your local draft board  IanDB1   Jan-31-05 03:28 PM   #41 
  - Who do YOU think "conscientious objector" leaves out  Blue_In_AK   Jan-31-05 03:35 PM   #42 
  - Military Draft and Conscientious Objectors  IanDB1   Jan-31-05 03:42 PM   #44 
     - Thanks for the info  Blue_In_AK   Jan-31-05 04:01 PM   #47 
        - You're welcome. You don't mean Feynman, do you?  IanDB1   Jan-31-05 04:16 PM   #49 
           - Not Feynman -- Nathan Isgur, actually  Blue_In_AK   Jan-31-05 04:26 PM   #52 
  - Thats standard fare, you are reading too much into it. Think Quakers.  K-W   Jan-31-05 09:28 PM   #85 
  - This makes me sick...but the threat of it may just blow open the Bush  KoKo01   Jan-31-05 03:43 PM   #45 
  - If we need a draft, we do NOT want a Democrat on-record proposing it  IanDB1   Jan-31-05 03:45 PM   #46 
  - Outstanding research.  Peak_Oil   Jan-31-05 04:11 PM   #48 
  - Get a grip everybody!  HootieMcBoob   Jan-31-05 04:20 PM   #50 
  - Well said about Rangel. If the Repugs introduce a bill it will exempt  KoKo01   Jan-31-05 04:25 PM   #51 
  - Ah, the Repugs will be the heroes!  IanDB1   Jan-31-05 04:31 PM   #53 
  - Do you have any idea at all how congress works?  Spacejet   Jan-31-05 05:49 PM   #62 
     - Yes I do...and in answer to you...Rangel's Bill will have  KoKo01   Jan-31-05 06:48 PM   #69 
        - Ummm  Spacejet   Jan-31-05 08:14 PM   #76 
  - I hope you will continue in this conversation  poe   Jan-31-05 04:55 PM   #55 
  - if loopholes are added  HootieMcBoob   Jan-31-05 05:02 PM   #58 
     - Oh is he?  Spacejet   Jan-31-05 08:24 PM   #77 
     - agree "soft Fascism" is the worry. It's taking a big chance just to  KoKo01   Jan-31-05 08:47 PM   #80 
  - He's my congressman and I don't have a problem with him either  Zensea   Jan-31-05 09:19 PM   #82 
  - Hey Bushbots what do you have to say now  ChicanoPwr   Jan-31-05 04:43 PM   #54 
  - Exactly.  BeatleBoot   Jan-31-05 09:39 PM   #88 
  - The medical community has already been notified  Tinoire   Jan-31-05 05:27 PM   #59 
  - Perhaps you would have the Kissinger quote handy-sadly appropriate  poe   Jan-31-05 06:50 PM   #70 
  - This is why Tinoire  ChicanoPwr   Jan-31-05 08:33 PM   #78 
  - oh look they included women too  superconnected   Jan-31-05 05:48 PM   #61 
  - why are democratic senators doing this?  superconnected   Jan-31-05 06:03 PM   #63 
  - They're doing it to force the Republicans to vote it down now...  regnaD kciN   Feb-01-05 04:50 AM   #93 
  - Not gonna happen....  sw04ca   Jan-31-05 06:09 PM   #64 
  - I guess that's why the Israeli Army is so bad n/t  HootieMcBoob   Jan-31-05 06:12 PM   #65 
     - No...  sw04ca   Jan-31-05 06:19 PM   #66 
        - How long have we been in Iraq?  HootieMcBoob   Jan-31-05 06:26 PM   #67 
           - A very long time  poe   Jan-31-05 06:42 PM   #68 
           - Exactly...Kudo's to you's important that a Democrat shoots the  KoKo01   Jan-31-05 06:50 PM   #71 
           - You are, of course...  sw04ca   Jan-31-05 06:53 PM   #72 
              - You are only including the "Dead" in casualties....not the maimed and  KoKo01   Jan-31-05 07:24 PM   #73 
              - "You are, of course..."  HootieMcBoob   Jan-31-05 07:32 PM   #74 
                 - Stay on it HMcB  poe   Jan-31-05 08:37 PM   #79 
                 - Personally...  sw04ca   Feb-01-05 12:07 AM   #90 
  - here's More for those keeping score-dodgers vs. yankees  poe   Jan-31-05 09:14 PM   #81 
  - What you say is probably the scenario the PNAC is looking for..BUT  KoKo01   Jan-31-05 09:22 PM   #83 
  - Let's contemplate this-it merits a well thought out response  poe   Jan-31-05 09:37 PM   #87 
     - The PNAC "Elitist Mentality" leaves little room for a shift in  KoKo01   Jan-31-05 09:52 PM   #89 
  - The neocons dont have that much capital.  K-W   Jan-31-05 09:32 PM   #86 
  - Don't know if this will make anyone feel better about Rangel's motives  temperancedissent   Feb-01-05 03:28 AM   #91 
  - Dumb question..  all_hail_gwb   Feb-01-05 06:48 AM   #96 
     - And...  all_hail_gwb   Feb-01-05 06:49 AM   #97 

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