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K-W Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-26-05 02:05 PM
Response to Reply #18
30. You are letting the short term bottom line dominate everything.
My point is that there are long term societal consequences to mingling your government with non-democratic organizations.
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  -Privitization is the opposite of democratization. K-W  Jan-26-05 12:09 PM   #0 
  - Republicans = Royalists (nt)  w4rma   Jan-26-05 12:13 PM   #1 
  - Except now the myths of royalty have been replaced  K-W   Jan-26-05 12:17 PM   #2 
     - It's not so subtle - Corporations have replaced Royalty  BrotherBuzz   Jan-26-05 02:22 PM   #38 
  - I think that's an oversimplification.  AP   Jan-26-05 12:38 PM   #3 
  - Please dont redefine democracy.  K-W   Jan-26-05 12:44 PM   #4 
     - I'm saying that your dichotomy is an oversimplication.  AP   Jan-26-05 12:59 PM   #5 
     - It isnt an oversimplification at all.  K-W   Jan-26-05 01:18 PM   #10 
        - I'm sorry, but your terms are very confusing.  AP   Jan-26-05 01:31 PM   #16 
           - You are confusing privitization with capitilism.  K-W   Jan-26-05 01:49 PM   #25 
              - Your argument is very vague. It's like you have catch phrases but  AP   Jan-26-05 02:02 PM   #29 
                 - There is nothing remotely vague.  K-W   Jan-26-05 02:08 PM   #32 
                    - I thin the fact that your more recent posts in this thread where you  AP   Jan-26-05 02:23 PM   #40 
     - I am confused?????  ClassicDem   Jan-26-05 01:05 PM   #6 
     - Yeah, I was wondering the same thing.  AP   Jan-26-05 01:08 PM   #8 
     - Why would you use such a narrow definition of government?  K-W   Jan-26-05 01:21 PM   #12 
        - Ok lets turn the tables  ClassicDem   Jan-26-05 01:24 PM   #13 
           - Because the government is charged with serving you.  K-W   Jan-26-05 01:31 PM   #15 
              - That's too vague a distinction. The service economy also exists to  AP   Jan-26-05 01:44 PM   #22 
              - LOL, no the service industry is in it for the profit too.  K-W   Jan-26-05 01:51 PM   #26 
                 - I'll ask my question again:  AP   Jan-26-05 02:07 PM   #31 
                    - You are trying to discuss non-sequitors.  K-W   Jan-26-05 02:12 PM   #33 
                       - That was not explicit in your OP, and it's taken you a long time  AP   Jan-26-05 02:18 PM   #36 
                          - I guess its entirely my fault that you didnt get my point. EOM  K-W   Jan-26-05 02:22 PM   #39 
                             - It's not just me.  AP   Jan-26-05 02:38 PM   #45 
                                - Slogan?  K-W   Jan-26-05 02:46 PM   #49 
                                   - "Privitization is the opposite of democratization"  AP   Jan-26-05 02:57 PM   #55 
                                      - That isnt a slogan, it is a statement.  K-W   Jan-26-05 03:05 PM   #58 
                                         - All I said that that is an over-generalization that occludes the real  AP   Jan-26-05 03:07 PM   #62 
              - For corporations to make money  ClassicDem   Jan-26-05 01:49 PM   #24 
                 - So if a king can run our government for cheaper, would you take it?  K-W   Jan-26-05 01:57 PM   #28 
                    - We shouldn't have a monarchy for reasons that have nothing to  AP   Jan-26-05 02:16 PM   #34 
                       - You cant have a soclialized monarchy,  K-W   Jan-26-05 02:28 PM   #42 
                          - A king who owned all the means of production would be socialist  AP   Jan-26-05 02:41 PM   #46 
                             - So socialism is the same as totalitarianism? NT  K-W   Jan-26-05 02:47 PM   #50 
                                - How did you get the impression that I'm making that argument?  AP   Jan-26-05 02:59 PM   #57 
                                   - So you think all totalitarian governments are socialisms.  K-W   Jan-26-05 03:07 PM   #61 
                                      - I don't expect you to start understanding what I'm arguing this far  AP   Jan-26-05 03:09 PM   #63 
                                         - Try not contradicting yourself.  K-W   Jan-26-05 03:17 PM   #65 
                                            - Totaltitarianism is total control of the government.  AP   Jan-26-05 03:27 PM   #68 
     - I will say, however, that there is a lot in common...  AP   Jan-26-05 01:07 PM   #7 
     - You seem to have read alot of things that I never said.  K-W   Jan-26-05 01:26 PM   #14 
     - My bad for thinking undemocratic = bad  AP   Jan-26-05 01:39 PM   #18 
        - You are letting the short term bottom line dominate everything.  K-W   Jan-26-05 02:05 PM   #30 
           - Everything in your argument depends on WHICH government  AP   Jan-26-05 02:21 PM   #37 
              - What does socializing entertainment production  K-W   Jan-26-05 02:34 PM   #43 
                 - The government owning the means of the production of entertainment  AP   Jan-26-05 02:44 PM   #47 
                    - It does if the people own the government.  K-W   Jan-26-05 02:52 PM   #52 
                       - I give up.  AP   Jan-26-05 03:06 PM   #60 
                          - Next time you want to make points that have nothing to do with mine.  K-W   Jan-26-05 03:11 PM   #64 
                             - Next time you want to make points but not have to answer questions  AP   Jan-26-05 03:28 PM   #70 
     - given that the repukes want to thieve the guaranteed income streams  sweetheart   Jan-26-05 03:05 PM   #59 
     - Are you saying that an economy with any privatization is not a democracy?  AP   Jan-26-05 01:16 PM   #9 
        - Im saying  K-W   Jan-26-05 01:41 PM   #19 
           - Sorry, You're Just Plain Wrong Here  liberal43110   Jan-26-05 01:47 PM   #23 
           - Sorry but politics and economy are only independent in your head.  K-W   Jan-26-05 02:18 PM   #35 
              - I could be wrong, but Nazi Germany and Pinochet's Chile might  AP   Jan-26-05 02:26 PM   #41 
                 - Private government  K-W   Jan-26-05 02:45 PM   #48 
                    - It seems like there are a lot of clues to what you're thinking in your  AP   Jan-26-05 02:47 PM   #51 
                       - Im perfectly clear on my points, it is you that isnt. EOM  K-W   Jan-26-05 02:54 PM   #53 
           - A lot of industry that is private was never provided by the government.  AP   Jan-26-05 01:55 PM   #27 
              - Please tell me what isnt private  K-W   Jan-26-05 02:55 PM   #54 
                 - If l'etat c'est moi, that it's not clear what's public and what's private.  AP   Jan-26-05 04:05 PM   #71 
  - Hey, I like that!  msgadget   Jan-26-05 01:19 PM   #11 
  - You are mixing two different concepts.  cattleman22   Jan-26-05 01:37 PM   #17 
  - sorry, you are just plain wrong  K-W   Jan-26-05 01:43 PM   #21 
     - I don't agree with these definitions at all.  AP   Jan-26-05 02:36 PM   #44 
        - "You can have a democracy which represents a few... corporations"  K-W   Jan-26-05 02:58 PM   #56 
           - If a politician who is elected makes the choice not to privatize  AP   Jan-26-05 03:21 PM   #66 
           - If a politician who is elected makes the choice not to privatize  AP   Jan-26-05 03:21 PM   #67 
  - You're Mixing Governing and Ownership  liberal43110   Jan-26-05 01:42 PM   #20 
     - No, not at all.  K-W   Jan-26-05 03:28 PM   #69 
        - And what's that "something"? Democratization is putting  AP   Jan-26-05 04:10 PM   #72 

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