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ultraist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-25-05 01:24 PM
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64. As an employer...
I do consider if someone is in good health if I hire them. Research has shown that smokers miss far more work than non-smokers due to illness.

If I pay to train someone, pay for workman's comp, payroll taxes, etc. I'd rather have a reliable employee that doesn't call in sick excessively.

It's not a moral issue but a bottom line/profit margin issue. My small business is not a non-profit charity, we are a for profit business and shouldn't be forced to take on low producing employees.

Smoking poses major health risks, not just lung cancer, although lung cancer is the #1 killer of women.

I had an employee recently that I had to fire because he missed so much work due to drug use. He was a very intelligent person, but he would disappear for days at a time and put us behind schedule, which costs us. We don't do drug testing and don't care what people do on their own time, but if it interferes with their productivity, we terminate them.

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  -Company Fires All Employees who Smoke! UdoKier  Jan-25-05 10:57 AM   #0 
  - Have you driven a Ford lately?  yella_dawg   Jan-25-05 11:00 AM   #1 
  - That's wrong.  XNASA   Jan-25-05 11:00 AM   #2 
  - It's extreme  Selatius   Jan-25-05 11:02 AM   #3 
  - well, it would make more sense for the company  tigereye   Jan-25-05 11:10 AM   #9 
  - how about mind your own f*in business and leave the smoker alone  seabeyond   Jan-25-05 11:18 AM   #16 
     - While I completely disagree with this company's decision  smbolisnch   Jan-25-05 11:38 AM   #28 
     - you would allow your child to believe a lie  seabeyond   Jan-25-05 11:47 AM   #33 
        - Whoa, where did you get THAT?  smbolisnch   Jan-25-05 12:04 PM   #38 
           - if he stands a hundred feet away from you when he smokes  seabeyond   Jan-25-05 12:11 PM   #42 
              - It's not OK inside. The smell is disgusting and I  smbolisnch   Jan-25-05 12:19 PM   #46 
     - as a smoker who quit  tigereye   Jan-25-05 12:13 PM   #44 
        - of course it is healthier to not smoke n/t  seabeyond   Jan-25-05 12:15 PM   #45 
  - I doubt such an exclusion would hold up.  WillowTree   Jan-25-05 11:50 AM   #36 
     - It depends  Selatius   Jan-25-05 12:06 PM   #40 
     - not likely  northzax   Jan-25-05 12:37 PM   #50 
     - A slippery slope. Next up: waivers for obese people, fertile women,  elehhhhna   Jan-25-05 12:57 PM   #52 
  - What's next?  pelagius   Jan-25-05 11:04 AM   #4 
  - Don't forget people who like to have bacon for breakfast.  UdoKier   Jan-25-05 11:08 AM   #7 
  - And people who drink alcohol  Worst Username Ever   Jan-25-05 11:16 AM   #14 
  - And then you've got to ask yourself  rock   Jan-25-05 11:27 AM   #21 
  - I figured this would be an  tanyev   Jan-25-05 11:05 AM   #5 
  - We used to have a policy like that  kslib   Jan-25-05 11:27 AM   #22 
  - If you think companies don't already base hiring decisions on  elehhhhna   Jan-25-05 01:01 PM   #53 
  - But it's work intruding on your personal life, so it's ok.  tasteblind   Jan-25-05 11:05 AM   #6 
  - Yah, because humans dont acutally have rights.  K-W   Jan-25-05 12:09 PM   #41 
  - they are smokers not humans, are you kidding this is grand  seabeyond   Jan-25-05 11:08 AM   #8 
  - Sarcasm aside, I consider myself to be an anti-smoker.  UdoKier   Jan-25-05 11:18 AM   #15 
     - well bully for you  seabeyond   Jan-25-05 11:22 AM   #18 
        - Defensive much?  UdoKier   Jan-25-05 12:50 PM   #51 
           - She smoked in her own house? The nerve!  elehhhhna   Jan-25-05 01:06 PM   #55 
              - Believe me, it's the last time we will.  UdoKier   Jan-25-05 01:16 PM   #62 
                 - My post sounded witchy but really--  elehhhhna   Jan-25-05 01:19 PM   #63 
  - Hmmmm...I predict one hell of a lawsuit over this....  truebrit71   Jan-25-05 11:11 AM   #10 
  - Unfortunately,  Ms. Toad   Jan-25-05 09:00 PM   #104 
  - so are they also firing those people who eat lots of fatty, salty, sugary  RUDUing2   Jan-25-05 11:14 AM   #11 
  - Don't they give them a chance to quit...  devilgrrl   Jan-25-05 11:14 AM   #12 
  - what if.........gasp.......they dont want to quit  seabeyond   Jan-25-05 11:25 AM   #19 
     - Addiction is covered by the ADA  elehhhhna   Jan-25-05 01:06 PM   #56 
  - First they came for the communists . . .  demnan   Jan-25-05 11:15 AM   #13 
  - the obvious denman, thank you n/t  seabeyond   Jan-25-05 11:26 AM   #20 
  - hmmmm...let's see  ProdigalJunkMail   Jan-25-05 11:19 AM   #17 
  - because unless they are including those whose livestyle includes  RUDUing2   Jan-25-05 11:34 AM   #26 
  - there are many lifestyle choice that exclude you from other  ProdigalJunkMail   Jan-25-05 11:37 AM   #27 
  - they are using smoking because it increases cancer risk and lung/bronchial  RUDUing2   Jan-25-05 11:40 AM   #29 
  - birth control, teflon pans, anyone take an eleve of late  seabeyond   Jan-25-05 11:49 AM   #35 
  - Lots of lifestyle choices affect health coverage. Where do you  lectrobyte   Jan-25-05 11:45 AM   #32 
  - to be honest...the company should determine that  ProdigalJunkMail   Jan-25-05 12:28 PM   #48 
     - Yeah! Like only hiring married white vegetarian men. Silly.  elehhhhna   Jan-25-05 01:10 PM   #59 
        - no they should be unmarried..otherwise you have increased health cost  RUDUing2   Jan-25-05 01:26 PM   #66 
        - nice reactionary statement  ProdigalJunkMail   Jan-25-05 01:34 PM   #68 
  - Ever tried to quit smoking?  DrGonzoLives   Jan-25-05 07:56 PM   #96 
  - smoke a turkey of late and feed to your kids  seabeyond   Jan-25-05 11:48 AM   #34 
  - What if you decide you don't want to hire blacks since they  lectrobyte   Jan-25-05 11:41 AM   #30 
  - So in other words it is OK with you  MadHound   Jan-25-05 11:41 AM   #31 
  - so...where IS it ok to say no???  ProdigalJunkMail   Jan-25-05 01:36 PM   #69 
  - Ins. companies do not ask how many employees are smokers, people..  elehhhhna   Jan-25-05 01:08 PM   #57 
  - Big difference is  yankeedem   Jan-25-05 06:59 PM   #84 
  - So, you smoke a joint on the weekend, and you fail a random  lectrobyte   Jan-25-05 11:31 AM   #23 
  - Pleasure is only to be had vicariously through celebrities.  K-W   Jan-25-05 12:12 PM   #43 
  - than also fire ALL blueeyed light skinned people who vacation on the beach  ElsewheresDaughter   Jan-25-05 11:32 AM   #24 
  - I am a X- smoker  gypsy11   Jan-25-05 11:32 AM   #25 
  - Reporter said that CNN  illflem   Jan-25-05 12:02 PM   #37 
  - Hmm... can they fire people who overeat?  SmokingJacket   Jan-25-05 12:04 PM   #39 
  - The real reason insurance rates are so high is Big Healthcare  KamaAina   Jan-25-05 12:21 PM   #47 
  - What could be next  RGBolen   Jan-25-05 12:35 PM   #49 
  - I find this company's "policy" to be outrageous...  T Town Jake   Jan-25-05 01:04 PM   #54 
  - Guess who's probably next?  jpgray   Jan-25-05 01:09 PM   #58 
  - how about this one next  Virginia Dem   Jan-25-05 01:25 PM   #65 
  - fascism in action....  mike_c   Jan-25-05 01:15 PM   #60 
  - What's next? Losing your job due to high cholesterol?  GloriaSmith   Jan-25-05 01:15 PM   #61 
  - As an employer...  ultraist   Jan-25-05 01:24 PM   #64 
     - Smokers Miss More Work???  Suziq   Jan-25-05 01:33 PM   #67 
     - Maybe you are one of the exceptions  ultraist   Jan-25-05 01:38 PM   #70 
     - Come on! That's just crap.  LibInTexas   Jan-25-05 01:41 PM   #71 
     - Science and Medicine shows otherwise  ultraist   Jan-25-05 01:46 PM   #72 
     - Well, I'll tell you what. Eating McDonald's hamburgers too often  LibInTexas   Jan-25-05 01:59 PM   #75 
        - Sorry you don't believe that smoking is very unhealthy  ultraist   Jan-25-05 02:06 PM   #77 
           - Whatever.  LibInTexas   Jan-25-05 02:12 PM   #79 
     - some numbers...  RUDUing2   Jan-25-05 01:53 PM   #73 
        - Heatlh/employment issues of smoking  ultraist   Jan-25-05 01:58 PM   #74 
        - an average smoker (30 cigs a day, pack and half) misses 3 more days a year  RUDUing2   Jan-25-05 02:09 PM   #78 
        - Just because the young child is sick, doesn't mean the parent will call in  ultraist   Jan-25-05 02:02 PM   #76 
           - and it showed that women were much more likely then men to stay home..  RUDUing2   Jan-25-05 02:18 PM   #81 
              - Yes, mothers usually do carry the main load of child care  ultraist   Jan-25-05 07:30 PM   #87 
                 - Noone is "forcing" employers to offer health insurance  yankeedem   Jan-25-05 07:41 PM   #90 
     - Nonsequitur  ProfessorGAC   Jan-25-05 02:13 PM   #80 
  - Smokers are easy to judge  jbnow   Jan-25-05 06:21 PM   #82 
  - Check out what this company does and how it does it  yankeedem   Jan-25-05 06:54 PM   #83 
  - Oh, I see, he's a Repukelican  yankeedem   Jan-25-05 07:05 PM   #85 
  - I see it differently, it's not a repuke position, it's a free market issue  ultraist   Jan-25-05 07:24 PM   #86 
     - okay but what's next  superconnected   Jan-25-05 07:30 PM   #88 
     - Whose your daddy?  ultraist   Jan-25-05 07:42 PM   #91 
        - Oh, the "free market" argument again  yankeedem   Jan-25-05 07:50 PM   #93 
        - this isn't going to just be individual business owners, this affects  superconnected   Jan-25-05 07:53 PM   #95 
     - Well, we can look at it a different way  yankeedem   Jan-25-05 07:37 PM   #89 
     - In your private business, you shouldn't have to pay for those things  ultraist   Jan-25-05 07:49 PM   #92 
     - Why don't you just hire who is most qualified  yankeedem   Jan-25-05 07:57 PM   #97 
     - when you gain your right not to pay for all of these people  superconnected   Jan-25-05 08:04 PM   #99 
        - I hope you know I was being sarcastic  yankeedem   Jan-25-05 08:09 PM   #101 
           - whew! thank you.  superconnected   Jan-25-05 08:11 PM   #102 
              - It just goes to show you how much the corporatist agenda  yankeedem   Jan-25-05 08:13 PM   #103 
     - . . . thus get sick and call in incessantly  Suziq   Jan-25-05 07:52 PM   #94 
        - Yea, really  yankeedem   Jan-25-05 07:58 PM   #98 
  - skip - foot in mouth disease  superconnected   Jan-25-05 08:07 PM   #100 

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