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26. Yeah, right
Edited on Tue Jan-18-05 08:27 AM by Feathered Fish
Some pharmacists already refuse to fill prescriptions for contraceptives because of this 'moral' reason. Give me a fucking break. How in the hell can an unfertilized egg become the business of the fundies? How? The passage she quoted is not good enough - it seems to imply the immaculate conception, which is not the case. But, alas, I'm preaching to the converted here. Even if you are an anti-choice dem, one can't possibly believe that contraception is abortion.
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  -Contraception is a form of abortion: Discuss prolesunited  Jan-18-05 07:45 AM   #0 
  - yes yes yes..............all in religion  seabeyond   Jan-18-05 07:47 AM   #1 
  - If contraception is the same as abortion  yardwork   Jan-18-05 07:47 AM   #2 
  - Not to mention the untold millions of sperm.  asthmaticeog   Jan-18-05 07:51 AM   #4 
  - Has Homeland Security thought of that yet?  yardwork   Jan-18-05 07:58 AM   #9 
     - I'll bet the Ashcroft DOJ thought of it,  asthmaticeog   Jan-18-05 08:06 AM   #18 
  - You have to have something to abort to have an abortion.  hector459   Jan-18-05 06:17 PM   #143 
  - She's incorrect, and here's why they are not the same.  Cuban_Liberal   Jan-18-05 07:50 AM   #3 
  - But pro-lifers believe life begins at conception,  ktowntennesseedem   Jan-18-05 01:28 PM   #101 
     - Life Actually Begins At the Time of a Lustful Thought  GiovanniC   Jan-18-05 07:05 PM   #155 
  - Fertility is such a Pagan issue  JanMichael   Jan-18-05 07:52 AM   #5 
  - Who needs Silence of the Lambs when you have the Bible?  Ezlivin   Jan-18-05 09:45 AM   #45 
     - swbts.com....  muffin_man   Jan-18-05 10:52 AM   #52 
  - A surprising number of anti-choice activists  cali   Jan-18-05 07:52 AM   #6 
  - It was only a few years before Roe v Wade that contraception was illegal  yardwork   Jan-18-05 08:01 AM   #16 
  - IUD's are....so what?  Mend   Jan-18-05 07:54 AM   #7 
  - I beleive there are also indications that  Ilsa   Jan-18-05 08:01 AM   #15 
  - That isn't the primary method of contraception with an IUD  gollygee   Jan-18-05 08:43 AM   #32 
     - correct about mechanism  LisaLL   Jan-18-05 06:41 PM   #147 
  - What about all the fetuses that spontaneously abort?  notadmblnd   Jan-18-05 07:55 AM   #8 
  - Good point.  CottonBear   Jan-18-05 07:58 AM   #10 
  - The impilcations of THAT are most disturbing.  asthmaticeog   Jan-18-05 08:02 AM   #17 
  - Spontaneous abortions occur because embryos are defective --  DemBones DemBones   Jan-18-05 08:35 AM   #30 
     - I know.. it was just my smart assed response to  notadmblnd   Jan-18-05 08:52 AM   #35 
  - they already target contraception  Solly Mack   Jan-18-05 07:58 AM   #11 
  - They never talk about controlling men's sexuality  StopThePendulum   Jan-18-05 08:13 AM   #20 
     - Good question  Solly Mack   Jan-18-05 08:34 AM   #29 
     - Easy. When you create the religion, you set the rules  Ezlivin   Jan-18-05 09:54 AM   #49 
     - Why isn't impotence considered god's will?  dansolo   Jan-18-05 01:00 PM   #70 
  - And other effective forms:  jarab   Jan-18-05 07:59 AM   #12 
  - Sometimes.  LWolf   Jan-18-05 08:00 AM   #13 
  - When I was a practicing Catholic abortion was just one form of  Career Prole   Jan-18-05 08:00 AM   #14 
  - When you base your argument on a passage from the Bible  kiraboo   Jan-18-05 08:06 AM   #19 
  - Old Monty Python skit song: Every sperm is sacred!  Divernan   Jan-18-05 08:17 AM   #21 
  - every sperm is sacred  WoodrowFan   Jan-18-05 09:36 AM   #42 
  - Instant Aborto-freak mouth-closer  Pigwidgeon   Jan-18-05 08:20 AM   #22 
  - Okay I'll discuss.  GOPBasher   Jan-18-05 08:24 AM   #23 
  - Contraception is prevention of conception.  DemBones DemBones   Jan-18-05 08:25 AM   #24 
  - You're wrong on the IUD's  lwfern   Jan-18-05 09:53 AM   #48 
     - she's wrong about EC too  Mandate My Ass   Jan-18-05 11:28 AM   #58 
     - I learned something there  lwfern   Jan-18-05 01:13 PM   #82 
        - Yes, primarily it works by delaying egg release until the sperm  Mandate My Ass   Jan-18-05 01:51 PM   #108 
     - "The main way an IUD works..."  Randers   Jan-18-05 12:48 PM   #66 
        - You are just plain wrong  gollygee   Jan-18-05 12:51 PM   #67 
        - A lot of medical people say something like:  Randers   Jan-18-05 01:00 PM   #69 
           - It's called PMS  gollygee   Jan-18-05 01:01 PM   #71 
           - No - I've had PMS and I've been pregnant  Randers   Jan-18-05 01:08 PM   #78 
              - An IUD makes your PMS worse  gollygee   Jan-18-05 01:13 PM   #83 
                 - not just worse, but different  lwfern   Jan-18-05 01:16 PM   #86 
                 - It could still be PMS  gollygee   Jan-18-05 01:19 PM   #91 
                    - oh, absolutely  lwfern   Jan-18-05 01:23 PM   #95 
                    - The jump was "this feels like pregnancy" so maybe it is. n/t  Randers   Jan-18-05 01:26 PM   #98 
                       - Any hormonal change can feel like pregnancy  gollygee   Jan-18-05 01:28 PM   #100 
                          - "If you're extremely tuned in to your body's rhythms..."  Randers   Jan-18-05 02:53 PM   #110 
                             - The way the IUD works is a medical fact  gollygee   Jan-18-05 03:11 PM   #113 
                             - I think you have your facts wrong  Randers   Jan-18-05 03:41 PM   #115 
                                - The mechanism is not known  gollygee   Jan-18-05 03:53 PM   #118 
                                - I also saw several sites  Randers   Jan-18-05 04:06 PM   #121 
                                   - Fertilization doesn't take place until a few days after intercourse  gollygee   Jan-18-05 04:10 PM   #123 
                                - Your planned parenthood link is exactly what we've been saying  lwfern   Jan-18-05 04:26 PM   #126 
                                   - I'm saying that all of these sites  Randers   Jan-18-05 04:30 PM   #128 
                                      - I'll give you credit where it's due  lwfern   Jan-18-05 04:32 PM   #129 
                                      - So you see this as an absolute?  Randers   Jan-18-05 04:41 PM   #130 
                                      - I'm sure what you believe with no medical knowledge is better than  gollygee   Jan-18-05 04:44 PM   #131 
                                      - here's a study for you  Randers   Jan-18-05 05:22 PM   #133 
                                      - 1997  gollygee   Jan-18-05 05:30 PM   #135 
                                      - The other study I linked to was a 2002 study.  Randers   Jan-18-05 06:08 PM   #141 
                                      - When I do an internet search of the study's author's names  gollygee   Jan-18-05 06:51 PM   #148 
                                      - The similar problem that I had  Randers   Jan-18-05 07:45 PM   #157 
                                      - self-deleted  Randers   Jan-18-05 08:16 PM   #158 
                                      - Yes, I see it as an absolute  lwfern   Jan-18-05 04:49 PM   #132 
                                      - studies on tubal fluid  LisaLL   Jan-18-05 06:59 PM   #153 
                             - If you don't want to be dismissed as a nut  lwfern   Jan-18-05 03:32 PM   #114 
                                - I would be happy to see evidence  Randers   Jan-18-05 03:51 PM   #117 
                                   - Did you read the links?  lwfern   Jan-18-05 04:00 PM   #120 
                                      - It still says "The _main_ way an IUD works"  Randers   Jan-18-05 04:09 PM   #122 
                                      - Check my edit.  lwfern   Jan-18-05 04:13 PM   #124 
                                      - too bad they don't actually link  Randers   Jan-18-05 04:28 PM   #127 
                                         - Yes, I think we should all  prolesunited   Jan-18-05 05:34 PM   #137 
                                         - It appears that a person could find studies  Randers   Jan-18-05 06:16 PM   #142 
                                         - If it's an issue for somebody  lwfern   Jan-18-05 06:55 PM   #152 
                                         - Research studies are not created equal  LisaLL   Jan-18-05 07:16 PM   #156 
                    - It could also be the start of a pregnancy....eom  Randers   Jan-18-05 01:24 PM   #96 
                 - There was a lot more blood loss  Randers   Jan-18-05 01:17 PM   #87 
                    - that's a common side effect  lwfern   Jan-18-05 01:20 PM   #92 
           - Your source is 8 years old.  lwfern   Jan-18-05 01:07 PM   #77 
              - my main source  Randers   Jan-18-05 01:10 PM   #81 
                 - Which is by definition biased  gollygee   Jan-18-05 01:14 PM   #84 
                 - And I suppose  Randers   Jan-18-05 01:19 PM   #90 
                    - The scientific method is used to avoid bias  gollygee   Jan-18-05 01:21 PM   #93 
                    - I think I'm pregnant  prolesunited   Jan-18-05 01:43 PM   #105 
                 - Faith-based medicine  lwfern   Jan-18-05 01:19 PM   #89 
                    - I'm fine with evolution.  Randers   Jan-18-05 01:21 PM   #94 
                       - Another illogical conclusion  lwfern   Jan-18-05 01:25 PM   #97 
        - It's a medical fact  lwfern   Jan-18-05 01:06 PM   #75 
  - As Monty Python put it:  ashiebr   Jan-18-05 08:27 AM   #25 
  - Yeah, right  Feathered Fish   Jan-18-05 08:27 AM   #26 
  - What a bunch of BS.  NoStinkinBadges   Jan-18-05 08:28 AM   #27 
  - That was a convenient bit of  dolo amber   Jan-18-05 08:29 AM   #28 
  - Here's another point  demnan   Jan-18-05 08:38 AM   #31 
  - Exactly!  moobu2   Jan-18-05 08:48 AM   #34 
  - Exactly...US is 24th in infant mortality...bad for a wealthy developed  nothingshocksmeanymore   Jan-18-05 09:41 AM   #44 
  - Yes the religious right will try to outlaw contraception  gollygee   Jan-18-05 08:46 AM   #33 
  - Well, since dildo's etc are also illegal in some states  Kber   Jan-18-05 11:26 AM   #57 
     - Do you have a list of the states, my wife has two of them, LMFAO.  sarcasmo   Jan-18-05 01:40 PM   #104 
  - The term abortion is never used in the Bible, although it existed  ehrnst   Jan-18-05 08:55 AM   #36 
  - The Vatican's been doing it for ages  spunky   Jan-18-05 09:04 AM   #37 
  - Pregnancy is a form of abortion  minerva50   Jan-18-05 09:17 AM   #38 
  - Nothing to discuss, the pill is an abortifacient.  patcox2   Jan-18-05 09:28 AM   #39 
  - No it's not!  Mandate My Ass   Jan-18-05 10:55 AM   #53 
     - Okay, it isn't Always, but it still is, and can be, anytime.  patcox2   Jan-18-05 12:29 PM   #60 
  - She is misreading the scripture. Tell her that...  tjwash   Jan-18-05 09:31 AM   #40 
  - But what about the virgin birth?  ArkDem   Jan-18-05 09:35 AM   #41 
     - Which one?  JanMichael   Jan-18-05 09:47 AM   #46 
        - No one knows if the rock was virgin or not.  ArkDem   Jan-18-05 10:41 AM   #51 
  - So whats her point with that verse  cags   Jan-18-05 09:39 AM   #43 
  - Huge difference.  coloradodem2005   Jan-18-05 09:51 AM   #47 
  - Dumb Dumb Dumb.....  txaslftist   Jan-18-05 09:56 AM   #50 
  - No, everything we do in fact brings about what is preordained.  patcox2   Jan-18-05 12:33 PM   #62 
     - I'm not arguing against predestination...just stupidity.  txaslftist   Jan-18-05 12:44 PM   #64 
        - I agree, opposing contraception is stupid, thats why we should let them.  patcox2   Jan-18-05 03:01 PM   #112 
  - Hmm....first abortion, then birth control, then masturbation, then  MsTryska   Jan-18-05 10:56 AM   #54 
  - Then so's male masturbation...  BiggJawn   Jan-18-05 10:56 AM   #55 
  - AFTER they overturn Roe vs. Wade?  lwfern   Jan-18-05 11:22 AM   #56 
     - Yeah, it's a multi-pronged attack...  BiggJawn   Jan-18-05 12:22 PM   #59 
        - That's just the beginning  lwfern   Jan-18-05 12:29 PM   #61 
  - If God wants me knocked up  LeftyMom   Jan-18-05 12:36 PM   #63 
  - The single most misquoted verse in the Bible  DrGonzoLives   Jan-18-05 12:46 PM   #65 
  - I was just going to say that Doc!  Greybnk48   Jan-18-05 01:03 PM   #73 
  - Furthermore  DrGonzoLives   Jan-18-05 12:55 PM   #68 
  - It is the height of arrogance to think you can thwart God's will...  Liberal Veteran   Jan-18-05 01:03 PM   #72 
  - LOL that's the best response I've heard yet  gollygee   Jan-18-05 01:06 PM   #76 
  - This chart seems more balanced than other things I've seen...  Randers   Jan-18-05 01:04 PM   #74 
  - If the Christian god is omniscient, then he would have known all of us  pschoeb   Jan-18-05 01:08 PM   #79 
  - Then menstruation must be stopped too!  seafey   Jan-18-05 01:10 PM   #80 
  - I propose monthly religious ceremonies  Greybnk48   Jan-18-05 01:16 PM   #85 
  - And we should also make women sacrifice a dove to atone.  Liberal Veteran   Jan-18-05 01:18 PM   #88 
  - By having my period, we missed out on Hitler Redux  Nobody   Jan-18-05 08:59 PM   #160 
  - Oh, now that's just sad.  arwalden   Jan-18-05 01:26 PM   #99 
  - Pro-lifer here, I don't have a problem with contraception  ThorsHammer   Jan-18-05 01:32 PM   #102 
  - Then is whacking off a form of abortion?  sarcasmo   Jan-18-05 01:35 PM   #103 
  - "It takes two sperm to make a baby?"  Bat Boy   Jan-18-05 05:28 PM   #134 
  - Wow, and I'm carrying MILLIONS around in a very vulnerable place.  asthmaticeog   Jan-18-05 05:33 PM   #136 
     - Don't let 'em get together.  Bat Boy   Jan-18-05 05:37 PM   #139 
        - But think of the shit I could get away with if I bore a god-child!  asthmaticeog   Jan-18-05 05:40 PM   #140 
  - You've never been laid have you?  HEyHEY   Jan-18-05 06:36 PM   #146 
  - If their God is as powerful as they say he is  donheld   Jan-18-05 01:43 PM   #106 
  - Not having sex is a form of abortion.  Zenlitened   Jan-18-05 01:45 PM   #107 
  - I agree! If we don't all start f**king everything that moves, we risk...  Liberal Veteran   Jan-18-05 02:02 PM   #109 
  - If you interpret it THAT way...  DireStrike   Jan-18-05 02:56 PM   #111 
  - any lustful thought that doesn't lead in childbirth is abortion  cheezus   Jan-18-05 03:43 PM   #116 
  - In that passage  SemperEadem   Jan-18-05 03:55 PM   #119 
  - Sperm have rights !!!!!!!  EVDebs   Jan-18-05 04:20 PM   #125 
  - Every sperm is sacred  jesusq   Jan-18-05 06:54 PM   #150 
  - In a sense it is.  quaker bill   Jan-18-05 05:35 PM   #138 
  - I always interpreted this passage to be  OnionPatch   Jan-18-05 06:17 PM   #144 
  - Contraception is a form of choice  slutticus   Jan-18-05 06:20 PM   #145 
  - Masturbation is genocide!  jesusq   Jan-18-05 06:51 PM   #149 
  - I take that passage to mean  Truth Hurts A Lot   Jan-18-05 06:55 PM   #151 
  - They want to control passion...  Orsino   Jan-18-05 07:03 PM   #154 
  - Abstinence is a form of fetus murder! Selfish virgins!  Generic Other   Jan-18-05 08:20 PM   #159 
 

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